Pushing the three stalls on one side of this design together so that they're next to each, will eliminate two stall walls. Based on this pricing, you would be looking at $450 savings for just the wall panels.
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i don't think the piping will make much difference in cost when it's newly installed. the panels totally would though. these badboys are deceptively expensive.
That’s a Schrödinger’s box of Bathroom usage. The stall is empty until you look through the crack and make eye contact with someone pooping and collapse the waveform.
That is one weird US thing.
Having a large gap at the bottom and then a smaller gap everywhere else.
I am getting anxiety attacks just by thinking about it
Peeking through there in the men’s room is a great way to get your ass kicked where there are no cameras and a lot of hard surfaces. I mean “slip and fall”
It would. It's easy to do a string of urinals next to each other. I sent this to a plumber friend and they said "I'd refuse a job like this... Not really, but I'd be grumbling to myself privately when no one was around the whole fucking time I had to work on this bullshit"
I saw a post about this on another thread and someone claimed to be a plumber and said it would be an issue and that there was a reason they are all installed next to each other. But I personally dont know a thing about plumbing.
Let enlighten you, a pipe carries fresh water to each toilet and another pipes carries the waste water away to the sewer system. Now you know as much as I do
Not a plumber but I’d assume they need a larger pipe diameter for the toilet to handle solid waste and can use a smaller for the urinal, likely have the urinals linked together then drop down to larger waste pipe all at once, doing it the way the picture shows would introduce a lot of t connections going from 3 inch to 1 inch connections.
Indeed. Or, rather, 3-inch T-connections all the way, with adapter lids (one inch hole in the cover lid), probably.
That's not a big problem, especially if the pipes are behind a light wall - in which case, they won't bother people where the feet usually go. But it will be costlier than using small pipes for urinals, and big pipes for the toilets themselves.
I suspect it has more to do with the height. Urinals usually drain through the wall and need fresh water at about 3-4 feet up the wall. (Residential) toilets drain through the floor and need their freshwater close to the floor, usually on the wall. So you’d need more and longer T junctions along the wall for mixing fixtures rather just running the whole line in the most convenient location for that set of fixtures.
For plumbing it would make no difference. The sanitary connection is 4" going to a water closet, urinal is 2". Urinals connect to the same sanitary main. Only way it might cost more is if the end of the line is a water closet instead of a urinal, but you are literally only talking about maybe 12 feet of 4" PVC pipe instead of 2" depending on bathroom fixture configuration.
Water connections are similar. Urinals have 3/4" water connection and water closets are 1" (assuming flush valve).
Dude they spend tens of thousands on material and labor for this room, but the budget comes across for materials and the guy is like no way a thousand bucks can be saved here. Then it's a finished project forever done forever.
Alot of urinals have their own divider now, that cost would be eliminated.
It's like me DIYing. I cheap out here and there, then spend more money so I can get the same results as the mid grade product or material I didn't buy.
I finally have some insight! I'm a commercial plumbing estimator. This layout features manifolds for waste, vent and cold water on 3 of the 4 walls. Each of these walls would need some larger chases to account for the size of the plumbing and carriers needed for each wall. Cost goes up.
Along with chases, the lengths of pipe are longer and more diverse making it difficult to prefab offsite and assemble in field. Think if every toilet needs 4 inch waste while urinals can get away with 2 or 3 inch pipe, spreading it out like this would make everything 4 inch.
When I say more expensive, we are talking my best guess. I'd say 30% more labor and 20% more material than a traditional back to back core restroom layout of equal size. Typed on my phone from work while looking at some restroom plans.
Not a plumber or a plumbing estimator....but have been an estimator in heavy civil/mechanical....this guy has the right answer...also was an engineer that designed a couple of facilities that included plumbing chases...in industrial applications....in an office, this design would be a bigger mess.
Good question - in plumbing, the most expensive part is always the labor. Material cost might go up by a couple hundred for the layout, but if labor goes up that is truly where cost differences are. Think 300 hours vs. 400 hours at say $110 per hour for commercial rates.
This is a core restroom for a building. If there are mutliple floors, then these are typical for each floor. If this building has say 6 floors, typical restrooms per floor, then that's (+6100110) or an additional $66,000 for this project vs a conventional code layout.
In competing with other shops, best solution is to offer a VE for a better layout.
Got me thinking like I'm working and I appreciate it.
Ex plumber here, I’ll make it short and simplified.
Urinals are very messy in the pipes. Uric acid forms piss stones that clog the lines up, that’s why many urinals flush poorly, there isn’t much room for the liquid to flow through and the build up creates resistance.
Adding solid waste to the mix will speed up the rate that this happens, theoretically the solid matter and extra water would help clear up the pipes, but reality shows that it accelerates the problem and causes clogged sanitary pipes that are harder to clear out.
Installing it this way would limit what hardware you can effectively use, not every wall bracket configuration would be usable in the photo, and you would have a hard time piping wall mount urinals with floor mounted toilets without creating a S trap and making the whole bathroom a sanitation violation, but there are ways to effectively do this and it’s not necessary more expensive, but it would take more skills labor to do it well.
But at the end of the day it’s a worse product that is slightly more convenient for the user but worse for the customer. You’re better off just installing nothing but toilets at that point and calling it a day.
I’m not a plumber either but I know somebody who is and he says this system would make instillation and repairs like twice as complicated all for the sake of additional privacy that isn’t really needed because most guys aren’t trying to sneak a peek at each others penises.
Actually it increases cost, because you can use smaller pipes for just urinals and they are at a different height, so you need more pipe to set them up.
I'm an architect and the answer is that it depends on whether you want to spend money on IPS. If you do, it's not really a lot more complex. If not, you need to expose waste pipes which would either need to be boxed out or would pose a maintenance (cleaning) challenge.
The real answer is that it's much cheaper to put small divider panels between urinals than pay for the extra full height dividers between cubicles.
I keep seeing this happen on several subs I’m a part of. Someone tries to make the sub all about themselves and it takes all the fun out it. I’m considering just blocking these people so I won’t have to see them on every post
Plus this person is definitely using ai, at least in their replies for sure, because they answered one thing the other day with a full three (complex, mind you) paragraphs within a minute of the question being posted
Probably just some kids looking for attention, but still. Wish this would stop happening. This nebula person seems genuinely nice, I just don’t think they understand how annoying it is to see them on every post and they’re not even Peter or Stewie :’(
The much more logical layout is with all the toilets together and all the urinals together, walls between each station, but doors only for the toilets. Exact same number of walls and doors, so equal cost for that. Same amount of privacy. Simpler plumbing and layout.
Also, is like to point out that there are 3 sinks for 6 urinals and 6 stalls. If this bathroom is even moderately busy, there’s going to be a huge line at the sinks (or worse, men walking out without washing their hands, which already happens at an alarming rate).
Oh, and there’s no dryer/hand towels (though I guess it could be at the entrance, though with this many urinals/stalls, I predict it’s another bottleneck). The two urinals in the sink area also doesn’t sit right with me.
SD-N got it wrong. This is better because men don’t have to pee next to each other. A common thing to avoid is using a neighboring urinal unless you really have to!
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Bro if we could have competitive national leaderboards for public urinal use, the queues would be worse than for the women’s. Every dude would be constantly looking for opportunities to get their numbers up.
I would take this sacrifice if points were awarded for hand washing and general cleanliness. Might give the dirty bastards i watch leave without washing their hands a kick up the arse.
I think that was me once, years ago. I started peeing, somebody came in, peed, washed their hand and left and I was still peeing. I've never felt so powerful since. I bet whoever does it at least thinks about it from time to time. Unless it's just one dude who pees like a water hose EVERY time and gets the record daily and just thinks everybody does it the same as him.
And if you have to walk through to see which one is empty... What's the problem with that? Worst thing you will see is the back of some guy peeing. Which is the same you see at every urinal.
My first thought would be that if this was a busy bar or something, it would either turn the middle into an uneccesarily busy thoroughfare, or cause inefficiency as people line up behind the guy who's assuming theyre all full when many may be free.
That and I would just rather pee between two other guys peeing than two guys shitting when I just want to get in, pee, and get out while inhaling the minimum amount of shit smells.
I applaud the spirit of the redesign, but it very much comes from a place of hearing complaints about a men's room and not actually having used one.
If that is the joke, then it is a stupid one. Men only avoid taking adjacent urinals if they are just next to each other with no walls between them. As long as there is a wall between the urinals, most men are fine with taking adjacent urinals.
Depends. My office has three urinals, but the third one is lowered to a kid's height. Typically the first two urinals fill up first, because they are at an adult height, and the third one last.
Those are for little people and people with mobility issues iirc. They are nice to have around when bringing a kid to the bathroom though. Its part of Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), I've been told.
I don't think it's a joke so much as why you'd bother to do this in the first place. Yes, it would be nice not to pee next to another guy. I am not sure if being between two guys taking a dump is a lot better though, due to smells.
The plumbing would be a lot more difficult, the two fixtures use different size drains and venting becomes more difficult with toilets, and alternating the fixtures exacerbates those venting issues on top of the sizing issues. On top of all that drain pipes are pretty large and they want to cram all of that stuff in tight areas.
In short, it would be a nightmare to install this way, very difficult, expensive, and time consuming.
Can't believe I had to scroll down this far for the correct answer. What's in that image is WAY more expensive, because "difficult" means "more parts, more labor."
Plus, for what benefit? So guys make fewer jokes about possibly seeing each others' dicks? Sorry, but we're going to do that anyway.
What is the point of urinals? To save space. Floor area is way more expensive than bit of plumbing.
With layout proposed on image, urinal space takes as much as cabin. That is why it is so absurd.
There’s 3 walls with plumbing stub outs in this drawing. That’s high cost too.
Most cost efficient, if you can help it, all fixtures go on one wall which on the other side the other genders restroom would be. Then both bathrooms can share a single common plumbing chase.
Urinals are the most horrid things ever devised by humankind. They should either be banned forever or men should be forced to take compulsory aiming lessons and have to have a licence to use one.
As a general rule, the women's bathroom was cleaner than the men's bathroom, but this was purely due to the lake of pee that collected underneath the urinals. The men's actual toilets were typically as clean as the women's.
...unless that is a hovering incident had occurred. While still rare, this was more common in the women's than the men's and was vastly worse than anything the urinals ever produced. Pee would be a blessed relief after the horrible things that could happen after a hovering incident.
As a former cleaner/housekeeper I agree. I found it disappointing how goddamn awful women's hygeine could be, and not just in bathrooms. I don't make generalizatons about gender based cleanliness anymore.
Back when I cleaned bathrooms it was simply just different. Mens bathrooms had an area of effect. Piss everywhere. The mess women leave behind was more condensed. Lots of bloody clogged toilets. I'd rather clean the piss.
It wouldn't work for a few reasons
1. Volume, you likely lose 1-2 toilets/urinals with this layout as it isn't optimising for space
2. Someone walking in the door wouldn't be able to see if a urinal is occupied or not, they'd need to walk up and down the space checking.
3. How do you create lines for either the urinal or toilet ? You'd need to create individual lines behind each, you can't easily make a single file line for the toilets or urinals
4. The position of the mirror means that depending where you are washing your hands you'll be able to see someone using a urinal - which this is trying to solve
Hi, the simple explanation is because men hold hands while pissing. Men can't pee unless someone is holding their hand. That's why men never go to the bathroom alone
I honestly don't know where all of this comes from, maybe it's an American thing or maybe younger generations are more self conscious or something. From my experience most men a mature enough to not be weird and only use the second next urinal to be politely respectful.
If I need to piss I'll go shoulder to shoulder with blokes at the pub in the piss trough.
dudes already alternate urinals according to the law of dudes in the bathroom which states thou shall not go next to a dude when there are other available urinals.
I think you're supposed to tap your foot in some sort of rhythm near their side of the wall. If they are receptive to your coded advance, they shall present it for review at that time.
Would prevent guys from accidentally(or not) seeing other male genitals however the urinals close to the sink and lots more area to clean make it hard to implement
I mean personally most guys aren't trying to see each others genitals so it's for the most part I feel.... A non issue and then you have to think about the fact you are ruining it for the guys who do want to see other guys genitals
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u/qualityvote2 12h ago edited 7h ago
u/uhohelle, your post does belong here!