The amazing thing is that there are articles making the rounds of Macklemore dressing up as an extremely offensive Jewish stereotype. (He’s since apologised for it; make of that what you will. Maybe he deserves forgiveness, maybe he doesn’t; I don’t know or care enough about the guy to try to find an answer.)
…But in spite of the photos of Macklemore in the Judenhass equivalent of blackface, what actually upset people was calling for the end to genocide in Gaza? That's what he gets cancelled for?
Huh.
Yeah, it sure as fuck isn’t really about antisemitism when they ignore evidence of actual antisemitism and insist that he must be cancelled for speaking against genocide.
Yeah that one killed me too, they had no issues with Macklemore until he said Free Palestine. There was nothing about his 2014 incident until after he was already cancelled.
What’s hilarious is Pink used his 2014 incident as an excuse for her “feeling scared” after being called out on her initial response to his recent activism. Indeed, the whole righteous indignation of her / Kraft is performative and simply a shield of Israel’s actions in Gaza.
Those pictures and the apology were also from 12 years ago.
This wasn’t some new thing that just showed up, people just went digging because they didn’t give a shit when it happened. Only now so they can pretend to be outraged and offended is it an issue.
They would not acknowledge that because they do not want to separate those two things and treat them individually. If they stay glued together, then anyone against one of them is certainly accusable of the other thing. Which is very convenient for whoever is deciding what the talking points are.
I posted this elsewhere in the thread, repeating it for you- The difference is that only one of those was inside a venue during a paid performance - which exposes the venue and the organizers to liability. These are people with no moral or ethical standards whatsoever, but they *do* care about their bottom line.
Speaking as a Jew, I can say confidently that conservative Christians and Trump are purposefully watering down the word to align with Israel at the behest of Bibi.
While there has been a surge in actual antisemitism across the U.S. and world, non-Jews are taking it less seriously because they just now see it at as “oh, Israel.”
I personally think it’s purposefully meant to harm us in the diaspora into moving to Israel and its expansionist state. It’s disgusting.
Yeah, it sure as fuck isn’t really about antisemitism when they ignore evidence of actual antisemitism and insist that he must be cancelled for speaking against genocide.
Also note that fucking Heil Hitler Kanye West is performing at stadiums that Macklemore is banned at, which further points towards a lack of caring about actual antisemitism by those in charge.
Having said that, as dumb as banning Macklemore for his statements are, it's also very telling of much of the online "I'm antizionist not antisemitic" will literally find a hundred different ways to excuse almost any level of antisemitism as long as as you say free palestine as well. I will not be surprised by the end of the year, we see leftists embrace full on holocaust deniers like Candace Owens.
I got a reddit removed comment (undone on appeal at least) for saying that. Also that when you behave like that I just automatically assume you have visited a certain island and Israel has the receipts.
There’s also this weird thing where it’s treated as a special kind of racism, separate and more grave than anti-asian, anti-hispanic or anti-black racism. Or maybe this is just what the internet does
Sorry, this is ahistoric nonsense. The land was granted to Jews after the Ottoman Empire lost WW1 while being allied with Germany. They were trying to take land from others, conquer other countries, so part of the deal of losing is you lose some land to discourage you from trying that shit again. That's how war works. It wasn't "stolen".
Until you start comparing their actions with what the Nazis did. I'll never understand the people who think because the Nazis treated them that way, they now have the right to treat non-Nazis that way.
The fact that a group of people could endure multiple of their generations going through that kind of pain, and then turn around and inflict it on someone else is sickening.
Israeli settlers are doing to Palestinians what was done to my Jewish family by the Nazis and complicit Poles in WW2. I can't be okay with that.
I think that there are two kinds of people in the world. People who experienced hardship and don't want subsequent generations to endure what they did, and people who experienced hardship and want subsequent generations to suffer as they did, or more.
There's actually maybe a third kind of person: those who've never known suffering and can't conceive that other people suffer.
i was just thinking about this a lot lately. the older half of my siblings are the ones who think others deserve to suffer like they did, the younger half want to make the world a better place, doesnt want others to suffer as we did. i live in an abusive household
It's actually not surprising. Men that physically and sexually abused kids were likely abused themselves. They are traumatized and it causes them to inflict the same pain on others. Maybe there is something similar happening here.
It’s genuinely how most serial criminals start out. Abused as a child so grow up to abuse someone else as a form of power, this is just on a national level.
Cults in general love resistance, because it pushes members back into their arms. This is why so many send members out to preach and recruit. Violence against them only furthers their beliefs. But in the case of Zionists, they don't preach or recruit openly to outsiders. It's hard to become Jewish, and they've had legitimate hatred throughout history that is abhorrent and wrong.
Zionists prey within their own religion on otherwise regular Jewish people, to make them feel afraid and isolated (due to exploiting that hatred) without others "like them" to protect them... instead of them being a part of a wider world tapestry, they're told they have to go to this specific country because it's the only place that's safe.
Honestly the fact that Israel hasn't said anything about Germany's far right gaining steam, makes me think that if push comes to shove Israel and modern Nazis might end up settling their differences and joining together against the ones they both hate. It's not crazier than any of the other shit currently happening.
The real number is much higher. Any number lower than 100,000 is using the official, now defunct, health ministry count, which used only identifiable deaths. So it doesn't apply, say, to people who were in a building when it got bombed and were buried under the rubble, which is like 90% of standing structures. It also doesnt count people who have died of famine or disease secondary to having their country completely destroyed.
Antisemitism is meaningless at this point. It's now used as a shield against any and all criticism of Israel, they don't care if anyone hates jews, they just don't want people to criticise their actions.
I think it's more an issue of money than deeply-held sociopolitical beliefs. The arena operators didn't want to alienate/offend team owners or boardmembers of their corporate overlord, for example. But yes – Zionism and capitalism are the root issues here (and I say that as a Jewish person).
That's because the people that are objecting to Macklemore aren't objecting to anti-semitism. They don't need to get Ye banned because Ye is actually anti-semitic, and the people that dislike anti-semitism already don't like him. They need to get people like Macklemore banned (and people like Ms Rachel attacked and disenfranchised) because those people are criticising their actual vile acts which have nothing to do with Judaism. Israel's mass slaughter of Palestinians isn't a religious thing, it's a genocidal thing. Framing critiques as anti-Jewish is just a shield from legitimate criticism.
Don't get me wrong, anti-semites also attack Israel for militaristic state violence, so for a layperson that isn't paying close attention it might be hard to tell the difference. For those of us who are paying attention it's not difficult to tell the difference between a Ye West and a Macklemore, or a Ms Rachel and a Tucker Carlson. Or a Kraft that bans Macklemore and platforms Ye.
Edit: I just want to add that I'm pretty thrilled with the supporting acts for standing (or, rather, leaving) on principle. Some bigots rallied to silence someone speaking out for justice, and while they'll hurt a lot of innocent people (crews and fans), the bigots themselves will also take some heavy hits. Usually they just get away with it.
Philosophically, the Ye nazi stuff is so ridiculous that there is a sort of blanket "that dude is insane" in every story. He is not an effective critic of anything Israel does. He's just a blunderbuss Nazi.
Looking at the overreaction to Macklemore or Ms Rachel (WTF?) - it's because these people track normal. Normal convinces average people, huh, this thing that reasonable not-crazy person said seems reasonable.
Macklemore is targeted because he's effective, and he's dangerous to the regime because of that.
Which is a goddamn joke. It's so funny to me that MACKLEMORE is the reason I knew as a young teen that the world was going to shit. His music has always spoken to me, but he himself speaks to ke even further. He's always been so cool and so supportive of absolutely every group of people that need love and people shit on him for it. LGBTQ+ folks. People with skin that isn't white. Palestinians. And somehow people think he's a "white rapper with a career that failed because he tried to fit in with his fellow black artists" knowing DAMN WELL that isn't what happened to him.
I'll never stop listening to dude's songs. "St Ides" by him is my favorite song ever made.
I like Mack. Hell, I liked Ed too. For me, this sheds new light on both of them though. I always knew Mack was supportive of things that lots of people would find deplorable. I thought Ed had some of the same views as well. I feel Mack’s public announcement was very honest, yet holding back quite a bit. I don’t know if Ed has made any yet. I imagine he’s slinking down in his chair so far you couldn’t see the top of his head if you were standing above him. Mack said he knows he’s going to lose sponsors and support, but it’s already being shown that it’s the exact opposite of that! Ed has shown true colors. Mack has been wearing them for I don’t even know how long. I’m sure Ed will be fine. He’s rich as hell already and it’s not the end of the world for him (maybe publicly for awhile though..) Mack on the other hand, is rich as well, but I think his stance on this, as well as his constant, blatant, open view and understanding of all the other “deplorable” things, just opened so many new doors for him that his head will be spinning trying to figure out which ones to walk through! Mack’s going to win here! By a landslide! No doubt!
Fucking shoutout to you, dude, because you just said what I've been telling mfs for years. When America was in its "acceptance" era and gay marriage was finally starting to be seen as normal and things like that were happening, he was a fucking rockstar and I was so thrilled to see it. Eventually, a certain orange tard is gonna be gone and there won't be anymore empowerment going towards the sick fucks that are scattered across our country, and hopefully people go back to realizing Macklemore was ahead of the game and a genuinely fantastic human being when it happens. I've never been one of those people that goes crazy over celebrities and their every move like some mfs do, but I'll be a supporter of Mack until the day I go down on the dirt because THAT is what a truly inspirational human-being looks like.
I saw Macklemore 15 years ago and there was about 300 of us in the audience, and now Israel wants him dead because of how effective he is at convincing people genocide is wrong. So weird.
Modern-day Christians are the worst cherry-pickers in the Abrhamic religions. They've only read Deuteronomy to give them an excuse for hating LGBTQ; and The New Testament - since apparently Jesus redeeming people for their sins somehow means Christians can scarf down bacon.
now that (if true im on reddit im not checking) is a spotlight on the terrible world we live in. we see it every day stuff like this and we all keep staring at tiktok because it doesn’t affect us
Isn’t Kayne a Trump and Musk supporter? Aren’t majority of his kind that as well? Jeff Bezos wedding attendees gave us clear picture into who these people are. How much clearer do you need it?
Not surprising at all. Women have fallen in love with serial killers, the Boston marathon bombers got a lot of love because "hot" and when those Rhianna pics surfaced, there were tweets from women saying "I'd let him beat me up."
If he weren't such a malicious cretin then Alex Jones would be genuinely hilarious. His videos are piss funny. Can't believe he had so much real world sway and influence with utter morons
I've always thought it such a shame he didn't become an actor or voice actor.
He really is a character.
I grew up with a second dad(friends dad) who was very similar to this. Just batshit fucking insane and bipolar x10000.
He would come in the room completely at random screaming so angrily spits flying out of his mouth "GOD DAMN DEMOCRATS, FUCKING FIREFIGHTERS, CANT FUCKING BLAH BLAH BLAH".
Just went on like that for probably a minute and then would walk away like nothing happened.
He'd come back an hour later or so randomly and say "I'm sorry for yelling at you guys, I was just angry" and ask us if we wanted a snack. We were 7-8 years old.
He terrified me as a kid, but when I became a young adult something clicked and he was the funniest fucking person in the world to me.
I think it was after I started smoking bud and taking a bunch of psychedelics. The madness spoke to me
Nowadays that's my favorite kind of humor, angry insanity. If someone acts like that around me, for any reason, I just start dying laughing. Ive got close to getting killed or beat up from it too cause sometimes it's serious, but I can't hold it in.
He was destined to just be the next in a long line of central Texas conspiracy kooks. Austin had an anti-authority streak, but it was based largely in being pro-weirdness. So people who believed in conspiracy theories were just part of that. He was meant to have a late night radio show heard predominately by groups of high young people.
But the internet hit, his audience consisted of more people at home alone taking it more seriously, then discussing it all together in serious contexts, etc. They got more serious, he got more serious, he got more angry, they got more angry, etc.
As was the Lex Friedman interview. They both really showcased the amount of fascist literature Ye engaged with during this time, and it's really shocking how much grace he's been extended. I think most folks just haven't watched those interviews, unfortunately, and not seen the depths of his descent into fascism.
There are excuses for things and then there are reasons for things. In my opinion, and the opinion of the vast majority of those supporting Kanye, the reason he did those things is his mental illness. He apologized publicly, was punished publicly, and now he endeavors to do better. I hate cancel culture and think we should all be given opportunities for redemption from past mistakes, especially as it applies to mental illness.
Tbh, thank God because his platform routinely features awful mouthpieces. Still, the Kanye interview is one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever seen in my life. It's clear Lex is even trying to coach him a bit and actually feels hurt at being rebuffed by Ye. It's a showcase not just of Kanye's mental health crisis that he was undergoing, but also a showcase of his politics fully and honestly. It's deeply unsettling in many ways, I feel it's worse than the Alex Jones interview, personally.
It very well could be. But that bodysuit Ye is wearing with Alex Jones certainly adds to the… vibe of that interview. Anyway, I appreciated you mentioning the grace Kanye has been extended despite his public remarks because it’s a rare thing to occur nowadays.
He recently (as in post-Heil-Hitler) played stadiums owned by Robert Kraft, the billionaire fascist prick who demanded Macklemore get tossed for "antisemitism."
actual nazis aren't a threat to support for israel. nazis aren't taken seriously, and tend to support israel because they like fascist ethnostates and would actually prefer if all the jews were in one convenient place.
calm, reasoned, compassionate and widespread public support for ending the genocide against palestine is a threat to israel. enough people get on board, they pressure their representatives and senators, israel stop getting material and financial aid.
The Odyssey was probably one of the best examples of online being a drop in the ocean compared to the real world. Or online being completely infested with bots. You’d almost think that the movie would tank with the amount of bad publicity it was getting.
The election should have opened a lot of eyes to this as well. Beforehand reddit would have had you believing it was just a formality and that the results were already locked in.
Fence voters don't use reddit and conservatives understandably stick to their own spaces, I actually would too if I got eviscerated every time I opened my mouth about politics
So you're left with a huge liberal echo chamber. Which is actually becoming a problem in and of itself, I'm banned from politics for a comment criticizing Democrats. I was probably harsh enough some mod assumed I was a Republican and banned me because I was also simultaneously banned from pics which is just another political echo chamber now too
Reddit is also one of the most heavily astroturfed places on the entire heavily astroturfed internet. You've got Chinese bots, Russian bots, Elgin AFB bots, American SuperPAC bots (from both wings), and all of the useful idiots who believe their posts without doing any critical thinking.
I got banned from whitepeopletwitter for correcting someone on something elon musk said, and I don't even like the guy. Blocked that sub so it wouldn't show up on my feed.
And you can never be left enough on Reddit. You can be overall on the left and be more center or even right on 1-2 issues, and that’s too much. If you’re not far left on every issue, you’re basically a Trump supporter. It’s ridiculous.
I got banned from one of the pop culture subs for saying Stalin was not a good guy and that Stalinism shouldn’t be the model that represents all socialism.
Yes, ignoring all the usual people complaining about woke, it was strange to see how many people thought the period accuracy of armour was vitally important to general audiences.
Good movie. I like to tell people there's a lot of "and now we're here" but it's solid. About as well as you can do telling as much as you can of that whole story in 3 hours.
It's not really just Reddit, though. Every act on his tour, including his own band, dropped out. That's pretty serious. I can't remember this happening to another artist of a similar level.
I don't think he'll be permanently canceled. But I do think he's going to have to backtrack.
Not one person in this thread could name a member of his band without looking. He will get replacements and the tour will go on unimpeded. In a week the online mob will move onto the next virtue signaling exercise.
That's how capitalism works. Sheeran will be absolutely fine, take the cash and probably release an album detailing his hurt at not being understood and all he wanted was peace on earth and loads of money.
That isn't at all how capitalism works. It's perhaps how monopolistic competition works, but that is definitionally not capitalism. In a free and fair market, people who disagreed with Ed Sheeran would listen to different artists, until either Sheeran relented or went out of business. Since only like three companies control all music, though, it doesn't really matter. If they want him to stay famous, he will.
Ed culturally associates himself as Irish and you can see by his choice of support acts. This is going to impact him more personally than financially. The Irish have a long memory.
I have no skin in this game, don't really know the guy and have only heard snippets of his songs. What has he actually done to earn the epithet "supporting killing children"?
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but Macklemore made a pro-Palestinian statement at one of his tour dates, the venues panicked and refused to host him as Ed's supporting act (I think he was described as "inciting hate speech" or something, which is... laughable.)
Ed put out a bit of a wet-blanket statement where he acknowledged it's a messy situation but essentially refused to take a stance because that's not what his shows are about. He hasn't actually said anything egregious, but a lot of people are taking his "I won't take a side" as very much taking a side.
ETA: I kind of forgot, Robert Kraft is pretty openly pro-Israel. So his statement is really disingenuous no matter which side of the debate you're on.
No skin in the game. I completely understand, but it’s kinda the point. How hard is it to be against genocide when it has such little impact on our day-to-day? This is the same as saying both sides. If you are not against the oppressor, who are you for?
It's grossly oversimplifying a complex issue. It's not a clearcut case of one side bad one side good like the Ukraine-Russia war. It's both sides being bad for who knows how long and currently having one unusually large spike of extra badness from one side. Of course I'm against genocide but it doesn't mean I'm pro Israel or pro Palestine. And there's no way to talk about it (or even to not talk about it) without bad actors from one side or the other spinning what you say into support for hate crimes.
Nobody is interested in nuance, they want you on their team and will accuse you of hatemongering or supporting genocide or supporting killing children or being a paedophile or a nazi or any number of other nasty labels if you don't reduce the whole thing to cartoonish simplicity where their team are the good guys and the other team are the baddies.
Sheeran is toadying up to a big corporation instead of supporting his friend
Kanye is seriously mentally ill which accounts for oscillating between “Jonah Hill made me laugh in a movie I could never hate Jews” and “Heil Hitler is my new single!”
Push comes to shove ed sheeran will jsut come out saying he doenst like trans people write a song about jesus and switch from teens and college girls to the whine moms and divorced white woman market. I am also exprcting twylor swift to do this the second she has a kid
We were then and before as well, it's very important to us the petrol dollar remains in USD. Saudi Arabia could dismember a journalist alive with a bone saw and we'd look the other way. Oh wait.
This is a deep cut but anyone remember Frisky Dingo where they made a joke about Taquil (Kanye) making an album with 'controversial' album art and basically calling the Kanye stuff in 2003?
He got it in the 2002 car crash that also broke his jaw & led to him recording "Through the Wire." He didn't find out he had it until 2023, and didn't make it public until this year, but I think it was prettyyyy obvious from his behavior.
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Kanye put out a song called heil Hitler and still sells out stadiums.
Ed will be ok.