The amazing thing is that there are articles making the rounds of Macklemore dressing up as an extremely offensive Jewish stereotype. (He’s since apologised for it; make of that what you will. Maybe he deserves forgiveness, maybe he doesn’t; I don’t know or care enough about the guy to try to find an answer.)
…But in spite of the photos of Macklemore in the Judenhass equivalent of blackface, what actually upset people was calling for the end to genocide in Gaza? That's what he gets cancelled for?
Huh.
Yeah, it sure as fuck isn’t really about antisemitism when they ignore evidence of actual antisemitism and insist that he must be cancelled for speaking against genocide.
Yeah that one killed me too, they had no issues with Macklemore until he said Free Palestine. There was nothing about his 2014 incident until after he was already cancelled.
What’s hilarious is Pink used his 2014 incident as an excuse for her “feeling scared” after being called out on her initial response to his recent activism. Indeed, the whole righteous indignation of her / Kraft is performative and simply a shield of Israel’s actions in Gaza.
I mean, it was a big deal in Jewish communities. I stopped listening to his music and don’t know many Jews who listen to him or have a high opinion of him.
And that's fine, his caracature was pretty racist and should be condemned. Robert Kraft and other Zionists not saying a word about it while he was on tour until he said Free Palestine screams of them looking for a better reason to cancel Macklemore than him being anti-genocide.
Those pictures and the apology were also from 12 years ago.
This wasn’t some new thing that just showed up, people just went digging because they didn’t give a shit when it happened. Only now so they can pretend to be outraged and offended is it an issue.
They would not acknowledge that because they do not want to separate those two things and treat them individually. If they stay glued together, then anyone against one of them is certainly accusable of the other thing. Which is very convenient for whoever is deciding what the talking points are.
I posted this elsewhere in the thread, repeating it for you- The difference is that only one of those was inside a venue during a paid performance - which exposes the venue and the organizers to liability. These are people with no moral or ethical standards whatsoever, but they *do* care about their bottom line.
Speaking as a Jew, I can say confidently that conservative Christians and Trump are purposefully watering down the word to align with Israel at the behest of Bibi.
While there has been a surge in actual antisemitism across the U.S. and world, non-Jews are taking it less seriously because they just now see it at as “oh, Israel.”
I personally think it’s purposefully meant to harm us in the diaspora into moving to Israel and its expansionist state. It’s disgusting.
Yeah, it sure as fuck isn’t really about antisemitism when they ignore evidence of actual antisemitism and insist that he must be cancelled for speaking against genocide.
Also note that fucking Heil Hitler Kanye West is performing at stadiums that Macklemore is banned at, which further points towards a lack of caring about actual antisemitism by those in charge.
Having said that, as dumb as banning Macklemore for his statements are, it's also very telling of much of the online "I'm antizionist not antisemitic" will literally find a hundred different ways to excuse almost any level of antisemitism as long as as you say free palestine as well. I will not be surprised by the end of the year, we see leftists embrace full on holocaust deniers like Candace Owens.
So I don't care about Ed sheeran. I literally couldn't name one of his songs. But... Everything I've read so far is that this was a management issue vs an owner issue. Basically Kraft said that he was banned from his stadiums, which in essence means the tour is over. So management kicked macklamore.
Now. Could Ed have said something to stop this? Probably not. These owners of these venues are totally insane. Same way live nation venues lock down everything. They hold the keys.
With that being said. He obviously should've issued a statement earlier and now he's fucked.
Well, the oligarchs owning the stadia are certainly the chief bad guys—they’re the ones demanding Macklemore be cancelled (not because of his history of antisemitism but) stated opposition to the Gazan genocide. Sheeran just sounds spineless.
I got a reddit removed comment (undone on appeal at least) for saying that. Also that when you behave like that I just automatically assume you have visited a certain island and Israel has the receipts.
There’s also this weird thing where it’s treated as a special kind of racism, separate and more grave than anti-asian, anti-hispanic or anti-black racism. Or maybe this is just what the internet does
Sorry, this is ahistoric nonsense. The land was granted to Jews after the Ottoman Empire lost WW1 while being allied with Germany. They were trying to take land from others, conquer other countries, so part of the deal of losing is you lose some land to discourage you from trying that shit again. That's how war works. It wasn't "stolen".
Antisemitism is the word created for “Jew hatred”, because German antisemites wanted it to sound scientific.
Yes, technically, Palestinians are also Semitic people. But trying to downplay hatred of Jews by twisting the definition of antisemitism to extend beyond Jews is something modern antisemites do.
? i think i've lost the plot, what is it really about? is it, we attack anyone who calls us the bad guys bc it's not a genocide? sorry, i'm an internet old, and autistic; i'm struggling to keep track of all the sides and what they say they're doing and what they're really doing. :(
It's about the pro-Israel people not going after actual antisemitism and instead going after people who are going after Israel for the genocide and calling those people antisemites.
The big example being Kraft not calling his buddies who own other stadiums and having them stop an actual Nazi and Hitler sympathizer in Kanye West from performing.
Macklemore basically dressed up to what is the equivalent of blackface, to a song about being cheap with money, and no one cares. The people who banned Macklemore clearly don't care about actual antisemitism, but on the other hand, unless it's a conservative, no one on the left will hold any level of antisemitism accountable.
People like Anna Kasparian making literal greedy Jew faces, Macklemore doing the Jewish equivelant of blackface, and no one cares, at all.
I imagine people cared when it happened and he apologized for it 12 years ago. Doesn't make it any less of an antisemitic caracature but those who cancelled him didn't complain until he said Free Palestine on stage and it was publicized.
Of course not. The Israelis have so thoroughly co-opted the idea of antisemitism that the world has forgotten that the Palestinians are a Semitic people. I mean, they're the people of Judea who stayed behind after the Jewish diaspora left. They just stopped being Jewish at some point...
Until you start comparing their actions with what the Nazis did. I'll never understand the people who think because the Nazis treated them that way, they now have the right to treat non-Nazis that way.
The fact that a group of people could endure multiple of their generations going through that kind of pain, and then turn around and inflict it on someone else is sickening.
Israeli settlers are doing to Palestinians what was done to my Jewish family by the Nazis and complicit Poles in WW2. I can't be okay with that.
I think that there are two kinds of people in the world. People who experienced hardship and don't want subsequent generations to endure what they did, and people who experienced hardship and want subsequent generations to suffer as they did, or more.
There's actually maybe a third kind of person: those who've never known suffering and can't conceive that other people suffer.
i was just thinking about this a lot lately. the older half of my siblings are the ones who think others deserve to suffer like they did, the younger half want to make the world a better place, doesnt want others to suffer as we did. i live in an abusive household
Funnily enough, that's true widely in my family… my dad and almost every of his siblings (3 of the 4) doesn't even try to make things better for their children. My younger sister has a motto saying "if I'm feeling bad, everyone around me feel bad and I'll make sure of it", and she actually makes everyone's day worse by annoying us because she had a bad day… on the other hand, I'm the eldest sibling and I always wished to make life easier for my family and friends around me and I regret giving my sister a childhood at the cost of mine. Divorce happened, I got parentified and I'm messed up as hell. My sister mever acknowledged my help with her and now she's doubling down on the bullying with me. Ungrateful brats…
It's actually not surprising. Men that physically and sexually abused kids were likely abused themselves. They are traumatized and it causes them to inflict the same pain on others. Maybe there is something similar happening here.
It’s genuinely how most serial criminals start out. Abused as a child so grow up to abuse someone else as a form of power, this is just on a national level.
Cults in general love resistance, because it pushes members back into their arms. This is why so many send members out to preach and recruit. Violence against them only furthers their beliefs. But in the case of Zionists, they don't preach or recruit openly to outsiders. It's hard to become Jewish, and they've had legitimate hatred throughout history that is abhorrent and wrong.
Zionists prey within their own religion on otherwise regular Jewish people, to make them feel afraid and isolated (due to exploiting that hatred) without others "like them" to protect them... instead of them being a part of a wider world tapestry, they're told they have to go to this specific country because it's the only place that's safe.
Honestly the fact that Israel hasn't said anything about Germany's far right gaining steam, makes me think that if push comes to shove Israel and modern Nazis might end up settling their differences and joining together against the ones they both hate. It's not crazier than any of the other shit currently happening.
The real number is much higher. Any number lower than 100,000 is using the official, now defunct, health ministry count, which used only identifiable deaths. So it doesn't apply, say, to people who were in a building when it got bombed and were buried under the rubble, which is like 90% of standing structures. It also doesnt count people who have died of famine or disease secondary to having their country completely destroyed.
r/worldnews is an Israeli propaganda tool. I was banned for pointing out Israeli propaganda lies and the fact Israel kills children. I have since come to know many others were banned for the same reason.
I"m so sick of Israel trying to establish a media hegemony. Fuck Ed Sheeran, Robert Kraft, and Israel.
The real hard core Zionists actually want there to be more antisemitism so that they accelerate and fulfill old prophecies of the third temple and of Gog, Magog, Persia, Cush and other nations rising up to attack the “restored Israel” in the end times; and God will rise up and defend them and all that.
Antisemitism is meaningless at this point. It's now used as a shield against any and all criticism of Israel, they don't care if anyone hates jews, they just don't want people to criticise their actions.
I had an awesome 50 year timeline streak going until 2020. I agree, this timeline sucks, especially suck for you younger guys. I'm voting to try and help you guys out. Hold in there, tje tide will turn.
Just to make it more interesting, saying “free Palestine” to Netanyahu is the modern day equivalent of saying “Stop the holocaust!” To hitler. Imagine all the pop culture musical acts of the 40’s begging hitler to stop the holocaust. It wouldn’t even make it into his morning report lol. Sadly, I fear it’s quite the same with Netanyahu. It may give hope to Palestinians, however, or make them feel like they’re not alone, which is good. But let’s not pretend like Ed Sheeran was about to end the genocide/hatred/century old beef by canceling his tour
It's not the timeline. Stop saying this. You may not realize it, but saying "it's just the timeline" means we're just NPCs with no control over anything and the greedy/stupid/evil/manipulated people already won.
You hate the decisions. You hate the organizations that chose greed. You hate them having money and power.
You can do something about it. It won't destroy them overnight, but you can start by researching who these organizations are and not give them any money. After all, they are entertainment and 100% not necessary, unlike stuff like transportation and food.
Don't like the venue owners? Refuse to not only go to the venue for any events, but any other venues they own. They own a lot of venues? They boycott all of them. You don't need to go to concerts. Save your money. If you give in, this will continue.
To be honest I kind of appreciate the fall of the masks, it was exhausting to explain to people that Israel were the bad guys in Palestine for the last two decades
The difference is that one of them did it inside avenue during a paid performance - which exposes the venue and the organizers to liability. These are people with no moral or ethical standards whatsoever, but they *do* care about their bottom line.
It's hard to comprehend, but Zionist fanatics want to define everything anti Israel as antisemitism, and bizarrely, anything that isn't anti Israel as not antisemitism.
I mean hitler was trying to get the Bolshevik’s out of his country that had been ravaged by their policies. Macklemore is also speaking out against that same bolshevik class (that has its own stolen country in the Middle East now, cool!)
Have you seen the game “Israel or Nazi” where you have to guess whether a quote was by a person in Israel’s government or a Nazi?
It’s a TOUGH game, I’m generally at 50% unless I specifically recognize the quote. And one time I thought I recognized the quote, but one or two words were shifted.
I am convinced the end goal here is to flood the conversation with calling nonsense antisemitism, while doing actual antisemitism, so that eventually you can't call anything antisemitism anymore, and also can't criticize the government.
I think it's more an issue of money than deeply-held sociopolitical beliefs. The arena operators didn't want to alienate/offend team owners or boardmembers of their corporate overlord, for example. But yes – Zionism and capitalism are the root issues here (and I say that as a Jewish person).
Somebody always has to chime in with some “fixed it for ya” bullshit like you are the purveyor of truth, and only you should decide what language somebody chooses to represent something, so that you can decide exactly how it’s represented in everyone’s mind. It’s maddening, and the reason that progressive ideas eat each other and can never get ahead. Can you stop with the semantics at every given opportunity to make yourself look like more of an authority?
That's because the people that are objecting to Macklemore aren't objecting to anti-semitism. They don't need to get Ye banned because Ye is actually anti-semitic, and the people that dislike anti-semitism already don't like him. They need to get people like Macklemore banned (and people like Ms Rachel attacked and disenfranchised) because those people are criticising their actual vile acts which have nothing to do with Judaism. Israel's mass slaughter of Palestinians isn't a religious thing, it's a genocidal thing. Framing critiques as anti-Jewish is just a shield from legitimate criticism.
Don't get me wrong, anti-semites also attack Israel for militaristic state violence, so for a layperson that isn't paying close attention it might be hard to tell the difference. For those of us who are paying attention it's not difficult to tell the difference between a Ye West and a Macklemore, or a Ms Rachel and a Tucker Carlson. Or a Kraft that bans Macklemore and platforms Ye.
Edit: I just want to add that I'm pretty thrilled with the supporting acts for standing (or, rather, leaving) on principle. Some bigots rallied to silence someone speaking out for justice, and while they'll hurt a lot of innocent people (crews and fans), the bigots themselves will also take some heavy hits. Usually they just get away with it.
Philosophically, the Ye nazi stuff is so ridiculous that there is a sort of blanket "that dude is insane" in every story. He is not an effective critic of anything Israel does. He's just a blunderbuss Nazi.
Looking at the overreaction to Macklemore or Ms Rachel (WTF?) - it's because these people track normal. Normal convinces average people, huh, this thing that reasonable not-crazy person said seems reasonable.
Macklemore is targeted because he's effective, and he's dangerous to the regime because of that.
Which is a goddamn joke. It's so funny to me that MACKLEMORE is the reason I knew as a young teen that the world was going to shit. His music has always spoken to me, but he himself speaks to ke even further. He's always been so cool and so supportive of absolutely every group of people that need love and people shit on him for it. LGBTQ+ folks. People with skin that isn't white. Palestinians. And somehow people think he's a "white rapper with a career that failed because he tried to fit in with his fellow black artists" knowing DAMN WELL that isn't what happened to him.
I'll never stop listening to dude's songs. "St Ides" by him is my favorite song ever made.
I like Mack. Hell, I liked Ed too. For me, this sheds new light on both of them though. I always knew Mack was supportive of things that lots of people would find deplorable. I thought Ed had some of the same views as well. I feel Mack’s public announcement was very honest, yet holding back quite a bit. I don’t know if Ed has made any yet. I imagine he’s slinking down in his chair so far you couldn’t see the top of his head if you were standing above him. Mack said he knows he’s going to lose sponsors and support, but it’s already being shown that it’s the exact opposite of that! Ed has shown true colors. Mack has been wearing them for I don’t even know how long. I’m sure Ed will be fine. He’s rich as hell already and it’s not the end of the world for him (maybe publicly for awhile though..) Mack on the other hand, is rich as well, but I think his stance on this, as well as his constant, blatant, open view and understanding of all the other “deplorable” things, just opened so many new doors for him that his head will be spinning trying to figure out which ones to walk through! Mack’s going to win here! By a landslide! No doubt!
Fucking shoutout to you, dude, because you just said what I've been telling mfs for years. When America was in its "acceptance" era and gay marriage was finally starting to be seen as normal and things like that were happening, he was a fucking rockstar and I was so thrilled to see it. Eventually, a certain orange tard is gonna be gone and there won't be anymore empowerment going towards the sick fucks that are scattered across our country, and hopefully people go back to realizing Macklemore was ahead of the game and a genuinely fantastic human being when it happens. I've never been one of those people that goes crazy over celebrities and their every move like some mfs do, but I'll be a supporter of Mack until the day I go down on the dirt because THAT is what a truly inspirational human-being looks like.
I saw Macklemore 15 years ago and there was about 300 of us in the audience, and now Israel wants him dead because of how effective he is at convincing people genocide is wrong. So weird.
Also one of the people that pushed for Ed to drop Macklemore. Iirc he said something like he won’t allow Macklemore to play at Gillette or something to that nature. Never was a big fan of Ed Sheeran but didn’t mind when he was on the radio but now I’ll certainly go out of my way not to listen to him lol
Modern-day Christians are the worst cherry-pickers in the Abrhamic religions. They've only read Deuteronomy to give them an excuse for hating LGBTQ; and The New Testament - since apparently Jesus redeeming people for their sins somehow means Christians can scarf down bacon.
now that (if true im on reddit im not checking) is a spotlight on the terrible world we live in. we see it every day stuff like this and we all keep staring at tiktok because it doesn’t affect us
Isn’t Kayne a Trump and Musk supporter? Aren’t majority of his kind that as well? Jeff Bezos wedding attendees gave us clear picture into who these people are. How much clearer do you need it?
I don’t think Macklemore was banned from AT&T Stadium or that Jerry Jones gives a shit. He was banned from Gillette Stadium and Robert Kraft convinced a few of his friends (like Jeffrey Lurie) to push him off the entire tour.
It’s optics. It’s economics. Ban Kanye and you’re also racist on top of everything else (lose 💵)Kanye is also worth like 30x Macklemore and has a much bigger audience hence pulls in more 💵. The powers at be don’t bat an eye at ultra wealthy people being weirdos (ie Musk’s Heil Hitler salute). Once u understand this you realize these comparisons are silly.
Maybe he should have a concert with Ed headlining. Both of them can entertain one another. Ed really should have stood up for this one instead of selling out.
Oh wow... I originally heard that Sheeran kicked Macklemore off the tour because of his statements... but it was actually the venues who said they'd cancel the shows if Macklemore was on the bill, and forced Sheeran into a tough decision. I think most would agree that Sheeran made the wrong decision, but I hope most can also understand that there are a lot of employees counting on the tour for paychecks for their families, a lot of fans wanting to see his show, and he himself would likely lose millions if he canceled the shows.
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Kanye put out a song called heil Hitler and still sells out stadiums.
Ed will be ok.