Hey /u/SunnSaiyaan, thank you for posting to r/SipsTea! Make sure to follow all the subreddit rules.
Make sure to join our brand new Discord Server to chat with friends!
We have recently changed how posts work. Unless you are a VIP poster, your post will be queued for approval.. To become a VIP, post great engaging content. If we like it, you will be added! More information available here!
Postpartum Psychosis and yeah temporarily lose your custody here in Sweden. You will be in mental hospital most often and slowly learn how to be with you kid again if possible.
Postpartum depression and you should get support, both medical and children's/ social welfare will step in and help you.
This is pamphlet I found after I had my kid 14 years ago, both the Postpartum Psychosis and Postpartum depression ones was to my husband and was talking how he can spot it, report it and give the mother support.
In the UK we have some mother and baby units for women with post partum psychosis. They're much better for the women, most people spend around 7-8 weeks in them I was borderline ending up in one.
Post partum psychosis is really misunderstood - a lot of the psychosis comes from actually wanting to protect your child to the point that you become a danger to them. I flipped between delusions that started with the thought that social services coming to take them so I packed bags for them so they wouldn't be without their things, but that eventually lead to "knowing" the government were trying to steal my youngest child so I planned to kill both of us.
I also had delusions where he wasn't a real baby but a being that wanted to harm my eldest daughter. That was a really dangerous time for my baby.
I kept both of my kids the whole time, and with a lot of support and therapy, and with a multidisciplinary team around me I'm ok again. 7 years later I've qualified as a therapist myself, and hope to start working in the postpartum field soon.
ETA: the good faith comments have ended and I'm getting nowt but pithy one liners from trolls saying ridiculous things. Going to turn off comments and stop responding now.
One pregnancy and then her brain wasnt hers any more. What I been told it so rare to get stuck, be in the delusion for ever, she was just really unlucky.
I once paid a guy 800 bucks to slice into my ball sack with a blade and cut out a couple little fleshy bits of tube so that all of this would be a non issue.
Yup. I know. I got a vasectomy because my gf at the time and I both knew we never wanted kids and it was a no brainer for me to get it done instead of her.
For roughly the cost of an abortion (not counting the gas to drive to another state), we made sure we'd never need to get one.
She did end up getting a bilateral salpingectomy when she was dating her next boyfriend because he was "afraid of surgery" (eye roll jerk off motion)
I say, if a guy claims to be childfree, he can prove it by getting the snip. If he refuses, it's because he's leaving the door open
My wife was present for mine (fucked if I know why, I certainly wasn't asking her to). She still gets queasy when I describe how they removed a couple sections of fleshy tube, seared the ends and showed them to me.
Manosphere bros online constantly dismissing how dangerous and life changing it is for a woman to have a baby, never once do they talk about these subjects.
One of my friends is dealing with PPD with psychotic symptoms. It isn't that bad as all described above, but it nearly drove a wedge in our friend group before we knew what was going on. Shes getting the support she deserves and we're all being patient as possible.
Not one alpha bro that talks about mens rights and all that during pregnancy ever talk about pre-eclampsia, or psychosis, or literal death, any of it.
They dont even want help! I had to cut someone off because they wouldnt stop. One was going on and on about how male support groups arent common and that its the feminists fault because women steal all the funding. I said it isnt just lack of funding. They need people to show up. If people arent willing to show up they wont keep getting funded to keep it open. Men dont show up. ( what an unfortunate pattern really) I even listed a few near us and told him what they were for and when they meet and suggested he should join to show his support.
Then he starts saying "oh its different" "thats not for me to join" I told him there was one for fatherless men who experianced truama from inner city violence and crime. That one sent him the fuck off. Started claiming that i was lying. That he already told me he wasnt going to go. That women were evil and thats why men are lonely. I just left. They do not want help.
I work in an MBU, we love all our mothers and babies and will do whatever we can to help. It really opened my eyes to postpartum psychosis, and now I can’t imagine nursing any other demographic. We want you to go home and be a family desperately, and to primarily be safe.
Postpartum psychosis is temporary, wilfully obtuse people who have black and white thinking will refute the medical and scientific evidence and throw away personal experience. They have sort of gleefully misinformed concerns of their own.
Thank you for the work you do. From women everywhere who suffered in the postpartum period. I suffered from postpartum OCD and PPA, I regularly freaked out that I would develop PPP. I can’t imagine what you’ve seen, but thank you for helping those poor mothers feel seen.
Can I ask what helped you with postpartum OCD and PPA? I feel like I have developed both over the past year (my child was born last August) and with the lack of support (my family lives 20+ hours away) and my husband making it worse for me, it has developed into PPD.
I actually left a bad situation with my ex. It certainly helps. But honestly sertraline has been a must. Knowing my triggers - get enough sleep is a big one. I am really open and honest with people about my intrusive thoughts, which kind of makes them less scary. I see a therapist. ERP and CBT are recommended. I am about to start ERP. Hang in there ❤️
It's going to be hard to address in a toxic environment (husband making it worse). Have you done any searching to see if there are advocacy or support groups where you live? Getting some local support should be a high priority. If that's not possible, strongly consider whether you can go live with your family for a while.
Worked on a ward for a couple of years. One patient had Post partum in that time. She was 17, in psychosis and was suicidal. She kept complaint about pain in her uterus. Something fell out of her vagina, something that should have been taken care of post birthing. The emergency psychiatrist wouldn't allow her off the ward to be seen by a gynecologist.....they don't care. They don't care about women. And she was just a kid. So small and scared. One of the only clients who stuck with me.
I have this theory about postpartum psychosis that I haven't seen anyone pick up, so take it with a pinch of salt, but a really interesting thing about the post birth brain is that there's a bit of the brain that is related to motherhood, and is part of a region of the midbrain which massively expands after your first birth.
This part of the brain is called the periaqueductal grey, or the PAG for short, and in studies of a maternal brain circuit we share with all sorts of animals, and as you can find in a few papers, but with a nice diagram in this one there's basically two parts of the brain in tension, some about caring for your baby, some for defending them from threats, and the defence from threats part is basically just the PAG.
And what's it also used for? Crisis reactions, the sorts of things soldiers have to deal with, and incorrect activation of it has been suggested to be linked to the inexplicable feelings of doom and fear of death that people have with combat related PTSD.
One interesting thing, from a pure perspective of curiosity, is that loads of parts of the brain associated with motherhood actually show less activation and response to their baby's cries, if the mother being tested is suffering from postnatal depression, compared to a mother who is healthy, but to be fair, it could also be that postnatal depression and psychosis are actually completely different phenomena that nevertheless often coincide because they both obviously depend on birth.
It's also worth noting that most people analysing this don't seem to care about it, or give it a very high priority in analysis, I'll see a brain scan circling that bit of the brain, (this paper page 11 for someone to hopefully tell me why I'm wrong) and they'll be like "yup, midbrain growth, anyway, how's that hypothalamus doing.."
But it is really striking to me, that you just give birth, and then your body is like "ok, round two, let's massively upgrade the part of your brain that deals in existential fear".
Like loads of women have their first child, and pretty rapidly start thinking that people are going to take their kids away, they are under attack by demons, or whatever else, and that seems to make sense from the perspective of your brain going through a process of upgrading its functionality so that you'll be ready to protect your child if danger comes, or if, when they start crawling, they put themselves in danger, but unfortunately not being ready for the rush of emotions that this upgrade brings with it, as your newly enhanced fight/flight bit of your brain is trying to get itself into gear.
As I say, take it with a pinch of salt, but it seems a great explanation to me, and if true, it'd be really helpful to say to women something like "don't worry, your mum-spider-sense is just getting set up so you can protect your child, and it can be a little over-active when you're new to it".
Ohhhh that's interesting, it was my second pregnancy where it hit, my first pregnancy was complete bliss and I was so happy afterwards. For some reason with the second the wheels just fell off the wagon.
That is interesting too yeah, I really wish I could find more studies on this so I could say more, but depending on how you're trained you will probably be in a best place to have access to information on it, or definitely better than most..
The thing I'd be most curious about is whether this is in fact a permanent change, because some people describe the transition to post-pregnancy as almost like adolescence, in terms of other things like pruning, and that might suggest a more permanent change, and I feel like I've read something about that elsewhere too, so it could be that some parts of the neurological change happen to be delayed, or it could be that it's not actually so permanent, more a passing change that fades out after your baby grows, you know? And so then it would make sense that your brain is adapting with each pregnancy. I recall something more about it being that there is actually a shift that persists through motherhood, but I also can't find a source for that memory now, so for now I will just have to leave that question suspended.
Anyway, it was really interesting to hear about your difficult period and I'm glad everyone got through it ok.
Another common phenomenon that happens, relating to fear (and my lay-guess is that it’s just the normal/minimized version of this where postpartum psychosis is this blown up to level 1000) is that new moms get these intrusive thoughts about potential harm that could come to the baby. I’ll be taking my daughter for a walk and if someone is mowing their lawn, for a half a second my brain will go “what if the blade detaches and is flung into the stroller??” If I’m walking down the stairs my brain goes “what if your arms stop working and you fling the baby down the stairs and smash her head or break her neck?” It’s also like any man walking down the street, “could I fight him to the death to protect her? Picture what that would that look like” Every old lady “what if she touches her and gives her herpes or RSV?” It’s not wanting harm to come to the baby or wanting to do something dangerous with her. But it’s my brain flash-catastrophizing and making sure I’m vigilant to all danger. No matter how outlandish. It’s also weird for me because I’m largely aphantasic. I don’t visualize much in my mind’s eye, instead I have an internal monologue. But this, I visualize. I don’t understand why it’s different, but it can be super upsetting. It’s also unbelievably common.
If postpartum psychosis is even partially this phenomenon happening but just cranked up 1000%, I can only imagine how fucking terrifying it would be.
This is exactly what I think too! I told my partner once our child was born that I became an animal. Driven by primal instinct to protect this child from any harm. That included him!
That’s great. It sounds like it got pretty dark there for you. I hope you can help other Mothers. Here in the US my Wife had borderline psychosis and her first doctor visit after birth the doctor didn’t ask one question about mental health. The good ol American healthcare system. And please highlight the stress this causes the Dad. I almost lost my mind. I couldn’t leave the house for more than 20 minutes for 2 years. So whatever darkness you were going through at that time, I atleast know what it feels like to be on the opposite end. But we got through it and we have a beautiful family.
This, amongst a million other things, are why it makes my eye twitch when Redditors are like ‘ummm she wasn’t diagnosed with psychosis! I don’t buy it!’ Y’all, diagnoses of PPP are missed ALL THE TIME. We have a really crappy understanding of postpartum psychosis. Lindsey Clancy not carrying that diagnosis is not in any way weird.
The reason women are mad is because of the lax treatment she got.,She was begging for help, and she did not receive the help that she needed. This person was repeatedly asking for help, asking for hospital admission, telling her partner and family ‘hey i am really struggling’ … and that was all part of her diabolical plan to take her kids out? To repeatedly tell everyone around her ‘hey guys something is wrong’ ? That doesn’t even make sense.
The one thing I'm having a hard time with is she told multiple people she had thoughts of harming her kids and, from what I've read and seen, everyone just kinda shrugged it off. If I had a spouse that said that, that would be where everything would stop. That's where you call for a timeout, you remove the kids from the house, they go stay with Grandma or something, while you address the problem. Maybe it was addressed and I missed it, but I don't know why her saying that didn't set off a million red flags for everyone and why they at least didn't separate her from the kids for the time being, just to reduce the stress (Not saying she's not responsible here, but it just seems everyone failed these kids)
It should have. She told multiple people, multiple times. And I’m amazed how many people are like ‘well but she didn’t SPECIFICALLY say the thoughts were to kill the kid’s’ or ‘she didnt SPECIFICALLY say she heard voices’ etc etc… has anybody ever been in the position to see a patient get punished for being truthful? I have. My belief is that she knew she was sick (duh) but that she was not clear on what the bell was happening to her, and also that she wanted to be careful about what she said.
It’s also just wacky to me how many people are trying to tell themselves ‘she is evil and she planned this.’ Dude, she was BEGGING for help. Repeatedly. From multiple sources. What was her plan? To tell everyone and their cousin ‘hey guys something is wrong i am not doing well at all and I’m having thoughts of hurting the kids’ and THEN to kill them? Was she like… just letting everyone know ahead of time? What kind of rational plan is that??
My mother tried to kill me (via starvation and prolonged mixed abuses including production of abuse materials) during a 3 month long psychotic episode.
She refused help, did not continue treatment when ordered by court, and ultimately lost all parental rights. I was shuffled off to be a homeless teen in another state, because that's what Children and Family Services decided was 'best for me'.
She ruined my life because of psychosis, and I still need hundreds of medical appointments a year just to be able to keep walking and living, because of the extent of damage she caused. She faced no charges.
I still think, in the case where a mother begged for help and repeatedly sought help, that's a clear issue of providers failing their duty to protect someone not capable of controlling their behavior. I wish my mother had been this case.
I'm not sure why someone who did the right thing and failed is being treated more harshly than someone who refused all help.
I went to a psych ER when I was severely sleep deprived with newborn twins at home and past the end of my short maternity leave. The intake nurse reiterated no less than 3 times that they take children away from mothers with severe deficits in mental health, clearly trying to dissuade me from continuing. I reported her, and was sent home an hour or two after I walked through the doors. I was also being emotionally abused by my partner and nobody listened to me. This country does not give a fuck about women until its time to admonish us for not carrying the emotional baggage of everyone around us on our back and making it look easy. It's infuriating.
The real glaring problem here is that they put her on antidepressants… repeatedly. And changed them RAPIDLY. And right away, she was emphatic and consistent about saying ‘hey guys so these made me 10,000 times worse.’ Which is some Day 1 Psych 101 shit that SHOULD have told them, ‘hey she might be bipolar.’ She needs to be taken off all antidepressants RIGHT THIS SECOND.’ And instead they threw more antidepressants at her.
Like, it wasn’t ’not-great care’, it was handing the girl a loaded gun. It was BAD care.
That's why in critical situations like this people need to be placed in psych wards until they can be stabilized. It's not just because of whatever dangers they may present to themselves or others- it's also so rapid med changes can take place in a safe medical environment where they are being monitored for adverse effects. But insurance companies hate covering those stays and there aren't nearly enough overnight psych care facilities.
It’s not just an issue of insurance but of safety and concern of who is going to take care of the children while mom is away in a psych hospital. There are single mothers who don’t have anyone to even watch their children or mothers with partners who they don’t feel safe leaving their baby with. Unsafe partners, sketchy fathers etc. I could totally imagine being one of those mothers and not wanting to leave my baby to cps or with the sketchy dad. It’s such a catch 22.
Another thing is general practitioners need to either improve their mental health training or stop treating specific populations bc they're not equipped
In this case they could have made her worse if she was bipolar OR things simply got worse because antidepressants generally don't treat psychosis. Another thing is postpartum depression and psychosis have unique etiology. PPD is notoriously hard to treat with typical antidepressants.
both SSRIs and antipsychotics can regularly make a lot of physical conditions worse, especially genetic connective tissue disorders, which can cause severe anxiety as connective tissue disorders also affect the heart/veins.
I wish mother and baby units existed in the US they could help so many mothers who are experiencing any type of illness not just PPD and its counterparts.
Sorry asking from the UK - do they not exist at all for you? I presumed it would have a price, like all your healthcare, but to not have one seems mental. Ours are a long way from perfect and miss a lot,but I know people that struggled and to have them with their kids and dedicated, trained, supportive staff made a huge difference.
In the US if you leave the hospital from your birth and return the next day because of some complication they will triage you in the ER and tell you if you can’t get someone to come get your baby in the next hour we have to release them to CPS. That was my experience.
Not only that but it’s impossible to get a breast pump if your breast feeding even if they have a labor and delivery unit. It took 5 hours of my stay asking every person I came into contact with if they could bring me a breast pump.
That's so frightening that they'd just call CPS! On the breast pump issue - a very close friend of mine contracted H1N1 at 35wks pregnant and was put in a coma , after emergency c-section to save the baby (thankfully baby didn't get the virus). She was transferred to a different hospital, while baby stayed in NICU at the first, for specialist treatment and for the two weeks she was in the coma they pumped for her, so she would have the chance to bond better with her baby when she woke up. Of all the incredible care she received I was most impressed by and so grateful to those nurses that kept that opportunity to breast feed open to her. This is in NZ and occurred across two of our larger hospitals. The fact they couldn't offer you a pump at all is just absurd!!
We have them, however, with a normal delivery you are expected to be discharged from the hospital next day or a couple days after c section.
My wife had HELLP syndrome and was on the verge of death. They discharged her in two days and she hasn’t been the same since. She still has PPD and what I think is PPP and our youngest is 6.
The majority of women in the US are sent home within the first week after pregnancy. They are then automatically scheduled regular check up exams for the baby but not for the mom unless there were complications noticed at the time of giving birth… and sometimes not even then.
Earlier than that. I was induced 11 days overdue. My son was born 12 days overdue via c section and my own doctors asked me why I was anemic. I had no idea I was anemic. 11 is considered normal for your hemoglobin levels and I was a 2.
They kept me for 3 full days start to finish and only because I refused a blood transfusion due to the fucking fentanyl they gave me to cut my baby out of me. I was not in my right mind.
And still? 3 total days start to finish with major abdominal surgery.
Sent home 36 hours after birth and had a post partum check up at 6 weeks. I believe there were screeners for depression at that and at my child’s pediatric appointments. But then I think they would just have said “see someone” 🤷♀️
Me too. I was definitely afraid of being separated from my baby if I "failed" the ppd screeners they gave me at pediatrician check ups. The system needs to feel safer to get honest answers and to help parents postpartum.
I lied on it but for more selfish reasons? I felt like asking for help was shining a spotlight on the fact I was defective and bad. I was filled with shame. It took a lot of time for me to accept I was sick and someone who is sick needs rest to get back on their feet.
The hardest part for me of being in a mental hospital with post partum was being separated from my kids and family. I have no clue why we do not have units like this in the US and I hope in the light of this case some things about how we treat women with this condition will change. I also hope we can get more support like maternity leave, universal daycare etc.
I so so appreciate when someone shares a story like this. People like you are the best way to promote understanding and make progress toward better PPP care. Proud of you and grateful for you
I had similar issues as to the person that you are responding to this so this case hits close to home. after giving birth to my second child. I had a really bad postpartum depression, and there was one night I considered ending my life and that my children. My baby was only two months old and my oldest two years old. We were driving home from the park and I cannot stop sobbing, and I thought if I just turned my wheel onto oncoming traffic, this misery will end for me and my children I pulled over and I so uncontrollably or what seemed hours. Things got worse from there. My doctor said it was normal to have the baby blues. It took an intervention from my family out of state. I was with family 24 seven for six months and on medication to finally start feeling better ironically, I ended up getting really sick and almost died from pancreatitis, gallbladder issues, and liver failure due to the hormones.
About a year later, I got pregnant again and I lost the pregnancy at 16 weeks, faced postpartum depression and it made me absolutely hate my oldest child. I was not allowed to be near him because of how much anger I had towards him. It was not an easy road, and it felt very lonely. It was very lonely.
Before children, I only suffered from anxiety have never been anti, high depression, medications, or have any mental health issues. I can tell you one thing, though the person that I was doing my pregnancy is not someone I recognize.
Obviously, this is not an easy subject to discuss, and it needs to be very vulnerable but I think part of the issue is that it’s such a taboo, subject and mother suffering our chastised further
Edit. Sorry for the poor grammar speech to text as I was walking and very emotional.
Thank you so much for sharing this. One good thing to come out of this whole trial is that so many people are openly speaking about their struggles instead of hiding it and pretending that having a baby is all sunshine and rainbows
If it all disappeared overnight there would be like 20% of dead air on TV and radio. Magazines would look like a pamphlet (if people bought them still.)
It's pretty wild when you focus on it instead of filing it away as background noise. Some of that has to seep into the subconscious.
don't worry their trying to make being homeless a felony now in some states so now we can then throw you in jail for being homeless after we make you homeless so you now have a roof over your head in jail.
The American healthcare system is not a system to heal people but a industry to make money. That's why your insurance companies decide the treatments and not the doctors.
You get a test here to figure out how you are feeling and they also check you up in your home. And it isnt as stigmatized.
If you postpartum depression, you are taking off parent leave and set on sick leave , your partner will have take his/ hers, while you are home and there will be support for the mother.
That would require an evil socialist healthcare system and we’d rather have dead babies and mothers behind bars before we ever let that happen in this country!
Funny how that was just common 14 years ago for you guys, but men here in the US are just discovering that this shit exists and are utterly shocked that not providing support or care can lead to issues like death.
As a local Cincinnatian, yeah. Dumb family should’ve got whatever happened because of their bad parenting. Harambe was killed for nothing and this cursed world is what we got for it.
I went to the Cincinnati Zoo last year, and honestly, it was one of the nicest zoos I’ve ever been to. Super clean, incredibly friendly staff, and it was pushing 100 degrees. They were refilling people’s water bottles and containers for FREE so nobody dehydrated
A person who used to work for me had PPP. It needs to be said that it is very distinctly different from PPD and isn't actually all that common. The lady that worked for me cut up every piece of clothing in her house. Her children's clothes(she had 3, 2 above 5 and a newborn), her husbands clothes and her own. She then tried to set fire to all the scraps in the garden, her neighbour saw her and tried to talk to her but she was so far gone she didn't respond so the neighbour called the police. Thankfully she didn't harm anyone but spent the next 3 years in an institute. She still only has monitored visitation with her children (this was 8 years ago) and her husband divorced her about a year after her episode (there have been multiple episodes since I believe).
The reason I'm saying this is that lady was amazing, honestly we all adored her at work and you couldn't have met a nicer person or a harder worker, I had not heard of PPP before this and honestly had a really hard time believing what was being told to me, it just wasn't her at all.
I'm not going to armchair judge Lindsey as I have no idea about the details, nor want to know them really, I just know that PPP changed someone I knew reasonably well from a fabulous and caring individual into someone I didn't recognise at all.
One of my mom’s coworkers had PPP and she honest to God believed the devil was after her family. She tried to burn down the house because she thought it was the only way to protect them
I knew that woman since I was 8 and I couldn’t believe she did what she did
obviously treatment should accompany this, but i'd argue that removing your children from your custody when there's a chance you might hurt them and absolutely ruin your (and their) lives (or worse) is treatment.
I’m three weeks postpartum, not from the US and could not fathom going back to work now let alone a week ago. I haven’t even stopped bleeding yet. WTAF
It’s fucking horrific. I had postpartum bleeding for weeks and weeks after giving birth. I was peeing myself, bleeding, in diapers for so long bc I pushed for 5~ hours. I cannot FATHOM going to work, leaving my baby, in that condition. Yet so many of my fellow American women are forced to every single day.
I will die on the hill that separating a mother and baby before they’re ready is a human rights violation.
I went back at 3 weeks while my husband got 12 weeks of paternity, 10 of which he spent getting high, cheating, and whining to his mommy that his wife didn’t pay attention to him. (Yes he my ex now)
Mitch McConnell has been getting the best healthcare (our) money could buy for 3 months. Her insurance company pressured her out of care after less than 5 full days.
How much more DEI can this country possibly afford?!? We just shot all our missiles at iran so we can raise our fuel prices ... we can't afford this shit!
From everything I have gathered she received help, its just that our version of help is 30 different prescriptions including 13 different psychiatric medications in a five month span which is absolutely insane.
To be completely clear, the person on trial received help. but because the help was bot forced, she opted out of the help in several ways... as many mentally ill people do.
Saying “mental illness” leaves it vague enough to remove children from any women who they deem unfit to take care of children, i.e. liberals, lgbt, etc.
It’s a way to silence women and take away rights.
Postpartum psychosis is for sure a reason to take away the kids. However, her wording is dangerous in the midst of rampant misogyny going on rn
Seriously, with the way they are trying to make “trump derangement syndrome” a thing and consider all trans people mentally ill predators this is exactly the path they’re wanting to take.
Well she wasn't diagnosed with psychosis BEFORE she murdered her kids - so logically you'd have to extend it to mental illness to have prevented this instance.
Its already a thing though
If you are deemed psychotic at any point of time, a court can remove your child due to you not being deemed mentally stable.
Idk why people are thinking this is a new a fresh thing. My friends little sister got removed from her mom when she had a psychotic break, when he died in a car crash. Super sad situation there though.
People think it's a new thing because to them, it is. They're learning about all this for the first time and can't fathom that it existed before their awareness of it.
They're learning about all this for the first time and can't fathom that it existed before their awareness of it.
Virtually every hot button issue I've ever seen. Drives me nuts. You don't even have to know everything, just know how to see an issue and go "ah, that sounds like something that some folks have been working on for a long time already" and chill the fuck out.
Yes, but enforcement of things like this has very little funding in the US. We majorly fail when it comes to preventative care and mental health care in the US.
Yes, he was 8. We were the best of pals. I still remember him. We were friends since we were like 4 and lived near each other.
We would often run back and forth between our houses. Our moms were very close friends.
When he passed away, she became really obsessive over me and would often try and get me to go with her to her house alone, saying that i wouldve been her DIL and I could become her daughter now. She got real scary and my mom had to keep her away from me
I remember it so vividly because it really scared me a lot and I had nightmares. My dad also said that they would stay up late at night since they thought she would kidnap me.
People are willfully ignoring this point to dunk on women wholesale and score points in the gender/culture wars, meanwhile we're all distracted from ... everything else going on.
if u have postpartum psychosis ur supposed to be hospitalized until u stabilize, so u are correct in that children are supposed to be temporarily removed during psychosis.
This is essentially already the case, it just shows the damage social media and social personalities have done rage baiting people for views.
Also highlights that lots of folks don't understand the difference between being hormonal and PHYCHOSIS. Also that pleading insanity is not a get out of jail card!
Exactly my thought. We’ll have women hiding their mental illness terrified any report will get their kids removed or that they’ll be taken away from their families. And most won’t have psychosis but the fear alone will make mental healthcare less accessible. This condition is so rare people. It’s scary and it’s dangerous and it needs to be taken seriously but we can’t blanket it to every new mother struggling because we’re scared. More mental health care and more access is the answer not pushing people away with threats.
Also she’s been in a mental facility since the murders. And she’ll remain in a mental facility until the trial is over. And from there she’ll either go to jail or back to a facility. She’s either not going home for a very long time, or she’s never going home period. There’s no “get out of jail free card” here.
This is genuinely one of most ridiculously simplified and stupid takes on this case and that’s saying something considering how bad some of the takes are.
People aren’t genuinely arguing for a get out of jail free card, they’re trying to raise awareness about something that affects a minute amount of people but leads to something devastating. And those that are, are the minority and not worth listening to.
Thousands of people have mental illnesses and are not going to kill their children. A minute amount of people suffer a form of psychosis, which is levels above just mental illness.
Two uncomfortable truths can occur simultaneously. She did an unforgivable thing and should suffer some form of punishment but ignoring the ‘why’ only condemns us to witness this situation again in a few years.so many people aren’t approaching this with any degree of good faith and are using to score simple political points.
That and even if she's found "not guilty by insanity" she's not going free. She's not going home to anyone or having any chance at custody of anything. She's going to a mental health facility where she'll be committed.
This needs to be shouted from the rooftops at people paying attention to this case. The defense admits she did it and admits she needs to be "held accountable". The question is - what does accountable mean? If she is "not guilty (of first degree murder) by insanity", accountability looks like a mental health facility and a lifetime of follow up and monitoring. If she is "guilty of first degree murder" then accountability is prison.
Adding in the "first degree murder" part is really really important - it's almost like these terms have meaning. Premeditation and intent matter. Intent requires a certain state of mind - which is what this entire case is about. Her state of mind.
Iran war, House gets released from session early constantly to avoid further votes, your favorite news channel is owned by someone who f*cks children, etc etc
They call the tactic”flood the zone”. So much bs happens every day, more and more shocking and disturbing or nonsensical, and people can’t keep up with it all. All sorts of things slip through the cracks that we don’t hear about, and major things like that end up falling to the wayside due to the public being distracted by all the other crap that’s happening.
It’s intentional. MAGAT-in-chief’s former top strategist has been fairly open about it for a long time now.
Society is being played for fools, and most of us are playing that part perfectly
Moron, calling postpartum psychosis, the same thing as mental illness is a false equivalency. They are not the same thing. One is a general heading for all mental illnesses and implies that depression should be lumped into it, the other is a specific severe diagnosis. Yes, if you are diagnosed with postpartum schizophrenia or psychosis, you should not have your kids near you until you are medicated and safe.
By this logic Then anyone with a mental disorder like schizophrenia, bi-polar, or major depression that could be used in an insanity plea for murder should have all their guns, and weapons, and access to a vehicle removed. So they dont kill people.
Not guilty by insanity doesn't mean she walks free. It means she'll be admitted until she is deemed well again. Andrea Yates, for example, is still confined to a mental institution.
ETA: Yes, I know Yates chooses to stay intistiutionalized now, however she did have to stay until she was deemed fit. My point still stands, you don't just walk free.
She is staying voluntarily. Another case stayed 8 years. 2 women in the 90s i think weren’t hospitalised after trial at all because they already were hospitalised a few years waiting for the trial. There is a very wide range.
Or... If postpartum can lead to such tragedy maybe we should invest more energy into helping women through it or creating better drugs so they can handle it.
What does losing custody of kids look like in an all-conservative Republican government? They're susceptible to being trafficked for $$ or disappeared to a labor camp in a deep red state or 3rd world country.
Y'all trust the government who fucking kill people every day and it doesn't even raise an eyebrow over all mother's everywhere with postpartum.
Almost every person who has had postpartum hasn't murdered their kids. Just like every other mental health condition. Clamoring to give attention to the 00.01% cases and acting like it's a significant percentage.
Obviously people with mental illness should get the help they need, not be punished for being ill. Obviously if anyone is endangered by someone else's mental illness they should get the protection they need, not as a punishment to their parent, and only for as long as necessary.
"lose custody of their kids" is such a permanent measure and the way it is phrased sounds very vindictive, like it's not in the best interest of parent or child.
•
u/AutoModerator Sep 04 '26
Hey /u/SunnSaiyaan, thank you for posting to r/SipsTea! Make sure to follow all the subreddit rules.
Make sure to join our brand new Discord Server to chat with friends!
We have recently changed how posts work. Unless you are a VIP poster, your post will be queued for approval.. To become a VIP, post great engaging content. If we like it, you will be added! More information available here!
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.