r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 6h ago
PoliticalTea š³ļø It is a glorious thing to behold...
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u/Banana-Oni 5h ago
I mean.. this is a good thing, but actual karma would involve things Iām not allowed to say.
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u/Gizogin 4h ago
āReincarnation as a flatwormā is against Redditās terms of service, now? What a world.
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u/TK_Games 4h ago
I was going to go with the legitimate and due legal process by which this country still hangs traitors, very legitimately, and totally legally. Maybe they'll televise it, since that's the kinda country we are now
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u/DontAbideMendacity 1h ago
"We're gonna need a bigger rope..." gallows man after seeing fat orange turd.
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u/Gizogin 4h ago
I know what you're saying (very legal, very cool), but I do kinda wish people wouldn't bastardize the concept of karma like this.
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u/TK_Games 3h ago
I'd rather he see consequences, in this life, and the next, and the next. The turd has earned at least a few Karmic ass-kickings, call it 'subsequent life' sentences
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u/sheepwshotguns 4h ago
all i know is that history has shown us kings that have lost their heads for FAR less
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u/SandpaperTeddyBear 1h ago
Drive the Trump-voter from society.
Thatās the only karma that matters. Trump himself is barely an actualized human being, and itās only really possibly to hate him in the abstract. Everyone who committed an act of Trump-vote (any number, any justification, any amount of enthusiasm) is far more evil than he is, and deserves far more karma backlash.
Drive. Them. Out. Without their bot army it should be relatively simply to get rid of the social media noise and see them plainly as āRussia if youāre listening votersā and know they are traitors and monsters.
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u/PFCCThrowayay 4h ago
someone needs to check on r/Conservative
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u/Muskaweirdo 4h ago
r/Republican looks pretty quiet too
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u/ThatguyfromEire 3h ago
Jesus christ its a ghost town
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u/nullptr777 1h ago
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Lmaoooooo
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u/HoodieGalore 3h ago
Karma hasnāt been served until his name is wiped off any physical rememberance of him, and his name is attached to so much stigma even Hitler would consider himself lucky; sporting āMAGAā in public is worse than a swastika
the word ātrumpā, no matter the meaning, should taste like dogshit to anyone who speaks it - everyone, everywhere, for the next five generations
his family should be shunned, every last one of them except the few distant cousins whoāve said āyes, Donnie is a shitbag, youāre all right, and Iāve known him my whole lifeā. Every last fucking one of the dynasty, Fred Trumpās skeletal fucking nightmare on this country, dead and defeated and relegated to the most shameful annals of American History.
there will be no justice until every last trace of him is wiped from this land, and we somehow lol start fresh. but letās be real. at some point, heāll die or be voted out, and some other asshole will fill the power vacuum - R or D - and weāll just be ratfucking another made-up problem.
Weāre not gonna make it.
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u/MidsummerZania 5h ago
America owes a large debt to Ukraine šŗš¦
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u/Schyznik 5h ago edited 3h ago
Seriously. If we can ever right this ship, we need to generously atone for the price Ukraine has paid in our stead.
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u/Vegetable_Lead_9110 4h ago
Defund all money to Israel, fund the reconstruction and expansion of Ukraine and Ukrainian industry
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u/Sweet-Strawberrry 4h ago
I went and checked myself after I saw this post and he's not lying. I scrolled for like 2 minutes and it was just people telling him to his face what the news won't. No bots, no filters, just actual Americans fed up. It's kinda wild to see.
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u/NeoAcario 4h ago
If Ukraine can knock Russia offline completely for about the next 25 months... they'd reap great rewards from a complete election cycle with no/less RU interference in US or EU elections.
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u/VariationBusiness603 3h ago
The US is building datacenters en masse for that very purpose. Mass surveillance and mass media manipulation. Let's be honest here, the russians getting kicked out is great. But it's also signaling american oligarch that they have to expedite their plans a little faster.
Things are about to get much worse. And good luck getting rid of the datacenters on american soil; ukraine won't save us from that.
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u/doberdevil 1h ago
good luck getting rid of the datacenters on american soil; ukraine won't save us from that.
They're showing us how to do it.
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u/Junkhead_88 3h ago
I'm actually quite curious how this is affecting the flow of propaganda and misinformation inside Russia. If the Kremlin loses control of the narrative it could be bad news for ol' Vlad.
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u/AcrobaticVegetable24 1h ago
I doubt it, Russia will just outsource the bots to other data centers overseas.
The good thing is that this sort of stuff is expensive. Expensive to set up, expensive to repair, expensive to rent overseas.
One of the interesting things is watching the Russian economy and how they are burning through it like no tomorrow. The more expensive everything is to do, the quicker the house of cards collapses.
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u/Smooth-Weekend-2314 5h ago
This is comical. Ukraine should destroy the rest of those data centers. Take the entire country offline.
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u/Benromaniac 5h ago
Terrifying more like.
Weāre scaling up the volume data centers. Bot/algo propaganda is going to get exponentially worse in the coming years. We will all be isolated and fed lies.
Welcome to the Matrix
A temporary outage is like when the skies cleared for a short while during Covid due to lockdowns and fewer drivers. Itās coming back harder.
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u/GoodIdea321 5h ago
We can all decide to spend less time online and more time in person with people.
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u/ropobipi 4h ago
If only the capitalist pedo elites didn't destroy third spaces, plunged us into economic uncertainty the like that haven't been seen since the great depression and are actively killing the entire middle class so nobody has any money to afford anything while prices keep going up.
Yea we would totally be doing that.
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u/Smooth-Weekend-2314 5h ago
Man, I wish.. I don't disagree with you at all, but at this point I am hopelessly addicted to being connected. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, so I remember the "before times".. would I go back knowing what I know now? In a heartbeat. But, I'm spoiled absolutely rotten by the convenience (and career) that technology has given me.
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u/GoodIdea321 4h ago
I get that, people could start to give a little bit of that up and go and meet people.
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u/Tschartz 4h ago
Start slow friend. I got rid of Facebook, then instagram, then snap chat, and Reddit is all I have. You will thank yourself for spending time doing other things, like learning how to garden, utility skills, things that will come in handy in the near future.
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u/ATN-Antronach 4h ago
Much like how during covid we could work towards keeping the skies clear, we won't
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u/TAU_equals_2PI 5h ago
Nah, it's just not possible to get an adequate sampling. What are you gonna do? Tour the country regularly to get an accurate sense of what other Americans think?
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u/GoodIdea321 4h ago
Or start caring about your local community more and wanting to have a general sense of the 300+ million Americans opinions a lot less.
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u/city_in_ruin 4h ago
Why do I care what the people of Wyoming think, if I live in the south? As an example
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u/Vanquish_Dark 3h ago
Yup. Just like the push back to the civil rights movement in the 70s and 80s etc. Just like how we got the maga movement after the 07 recession and Obama. The truth is, bigiots, tyranta, strongmen, will always try to reseek what is "lost"; and sometimes that which is "lost" to them is a basic human right to another.
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u/voodoodahl 4h ago edited 1h ago
Russia will suddenly have patriot missile batteries defending their data centers and there won't be a peep about it in America's fascist owned press.
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u/Character-Zombie-961 5h ago
We all need to be sending Zelensky a huge thank you!
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u/plassteel01 5h ago
Money is what he needs
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u/ADownStrabgeQuark 5h ago
Iām pretty sure Ukraine accepts donations.
Food, first aid kits, for the pacifists.
Weapons for the militarists.
Iām sure Zelenskyy would accept any form of real material support.
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u/plassteel01 5h ago
There you go a grassroots way to support him and give Putin and Trump the finger
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u/roxyirene 4h ago
We donate monthly to an org that supports Ukrainian schools. Do something like that ā even $5 from a lot of people can help.
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u/duckduck-a-go-go 5h ago
Ukraine has been putting up all of the blood in the war with Russia. The very least the rest of the world can do is make sure they have everything they need to win.
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u/Thisismythrowawaypv 5h ago
The conservative sub suddenly has very few comments:)
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u/MasterTolkien 5h ago
āReddit is a liberal echo chamber,ā says people who talk to conservative bots for moral support.
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u/Blazured 4h ago
They had no new posts for 8 hours after the strikes.
Not a joke.
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u/Thisismythrowawaypv 4h ago
If we can bring normalcy back to Congress we must crack down on bots being so prevalent on social media in all forms. It's so toxic. None of the companies will crack down because they know it elevates their "viewership", volume, and ad revenue.
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u/FiremanJon 5h ago
This is actually news worthy. You don't even have to be partisan, just compare responses to his posts immediately before and after the bot farm and let people think about it.
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u/Dex_Maddock 5h ago
You don't even have to be partisan
and let people think about it.
You silly goose.
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u/FiremanJon 5h ago
I still have some faith in humanity. It's hard to have, but without it I'd have no hope at all.
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u/Dex_Maddock 5h ago
I know, and I agree. I was just teasing.
I also try to maintain a bit of hope that we snap out of this bullshit loop we're in. But to do that, eventually, we're all going to have to figure out how to talk with each other like adults (even the people we disagree with). And at this point, I'm not sure how or when that happens.... š
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u/GreyBoyTigger 5h ago
Go check out the RCon sub. Itās like a dozen posts about Ilhan Omar and nothing about the upcoming elections. Even the daily commenters are asking why nobody is talking about this
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u/TheChronoDigger 5h ago
There was about a 7 hour gap where there were no posts from the usual accounts over there when the Russian data centers went down and the few posts that were up only had a few comments on them. It was fascinating to see how quiet that sub was after Ukraine struck the data center.
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u/GreyBoyTigger 5h ago
Itās a fascinating glimpse into the future of war. Instead of bases, the new target will be data centers that fight a non human proxy war much like Russia is doing to the US
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u/VariationBusiness603 2h ago
Much like the US and Russia are doing to the rest of the world (and themselves)* more accurately.
The afd in Germany, the rn in France, reform in the UK, independantists in Canada are all supported by the Russian troll factory, with the support of the USA. If we get rid of the convenient russian bots, they will simply be replaced by american bots that are much harder to get rid of. That's partially what all those datacenters are for.
Don't get me wrong; the american people is a victim too, just like the rest of us. But the russian and american government are absolutely in bed and fighting against the working folks of the world at the behest of the capitalist class.
Those wars you speak of will not be countries vs countries as much as they will be the people vs their governments. And it will be very real people destroying datacenters. Ukrainians are just the first to do it.
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u/hightrix 3h ago
Go look at even his truthsocial feed, posts are getting half as many likes as they did 2 days ago... from 13-25k to 5-10k
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u/TheYellowFringe 5h ago
It's always been rumoured about their "followers" being much less than than imagined.
But the data centres being destroyed basically confirmed all of our suspicions now.
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 4h ago
And showed that the breakdown is even more ridiculous than we assumed
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u/Igmuhota 5h ago
Someone should check on the conservative subreddits. They lost 90+% of their āfriendsā in an instant, and theyāre probably sadder than usual.
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u/DullFaithlessness82 5h ago
He will have to throw another rally in a red safe space to protect his feelings.
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u/I-Have-An-Alibi 5h ago
I'm convinced that majority of Republicans/Maga on reddit are bots.
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u/imapluralist 4h ago
Really not a stretch whatsoever.
Ive been convinced since 2020 that most of the "voices" on the right are fabrications. If you take a step back it is no different than the strategy they used on fox news. Just have a bunch of people say something (regardless of whether it's true or not) and you will automatically gain real people that repeat it.
This is how they manufacture consensus and populism on the right.
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u/Terrible-Junket-3388 4h ago
What I don't see anyone talking about is how we prevent bots from continuing to be such an issue. Yandex today, some other bad faith actor tomorrow: how do we shift back to human-only (or atleast 'human-mostly') interactions online? Politics aside, a lot of us have whined about the potential problems here for a long time - but the past few days are a great example of just how prolific the bot problem is. It's clear how harmful this stuff is.
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u/Aggressive_Law_5728 3h ago
More drone strikes seems like the obvious solution.
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u/Terrible-Junket-3388 3h ago
Ha, agreed on that front. Would be nice to not have to deal with the whackamole, though.
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u/Questions_Remain 4h ago
I donāt know,
but Iāve seen videos of those bot farms and scam houses with a person operating 100ās of devices as a job. It would be nice if these people had beneficial productive useful employment vice scams and false information spreading as a means.
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u/EveningAnt3949 3h ago
Laws, regulation, enforcement, funding for non-profit platforms.
Social media companies can stop bots, but they don't because of money. The exception is X, which was bought by Musk for propaganda purposes so when it comes to X, it's not just about money, but also about propaganda.
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u/forthepridetv 3h ago
Iāve thought about this a lot and I think a global Electronic ID would be a start. Very 1984 or whatever but having an E-ID would curb on the creation of said accounts because theyād be tied to a person (think Social security or its equivalent in other countries). Could bad actors like certain countries just create more?
Absolutely, but itās a resource theyād have to burn in order to do so since there would have to be a verification process if they wanted to create/issue more.
Weād also have to have global agreement on how to regulate social media companies while implementing this new program.
Unfortunately, it could also be used to squash dissent if a dictator comes into power, but my hope would be that bot farms would be so far removed weād be able to NOT have that happen
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u/Terrible-Junket-3388 3h ago
I don't think you need a single unified 'new' ID. Passports, IDs, etc already exist and suffice, and IMO wouldn't be any more abusable than a new electronic system.
I also think, to your point about dictators, abuse, etc - there are ways to minimize that. I've seen a few projects (most notably recently, Adieuu - adieuu.com [i'm not affiliated, just a fan and it's relevant to this thread) that are building *around* the expectation of more jurisdictions requiring age verification. To that end, they've cryptographically separated your real info from your activity/messages (entirely different entities that can't be traced forwards or backwards to each other, even if DB is breached). In event of court order they'd only be able to hand over your 'account' info (which wouldn't even include ID data since they use a third-party to verify that discards immediately and never reports anything other than pass/fail to the service), for example.
To me this seems like best of all worlds: you could use that to add accountability and increase costs for bots (they'd constantly be banned and barrier to entry is new ID check + purchase new subscription, etc), and further ensure that nearly all conversation is verifably human. Even if a human chooses to 'use' a bot, you still know they're a unique user/human. I'd like to see more projects thinking about verification this way. How wonderful it would be for 'no bots' to again become a normal expectation in conversation!
As you said, a govt can just manufacture their own IDs/passports/e-ids/etc, but that's notably more involved than currently which is just 'make a new account'.
Again, not something I'd want to trust any of these larger corps with since they've proven they don't care, but some of these younger projects seem to have some real potential. TBD.
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u/doggmapeete 5h ago
If all of this becomes main stream newsāthe Russians manipulating social media coinciding with farther poll numbers falling, the gop will claim that they are also victims and disavow Trump and Russia.
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u/DisastrousTry7803 5h ago
Ignore the issue, let it be buried by the next heinous crime the regime commits.
Steal money. Waste lives. Repeat.
If the illegal seizure of power, armed mobs committing extrajudicial killings, continuing blatant theft of federal funds, an illegal war (no, the president can not legally declare war, only congress can), shitting himself AND being a literal rapist pedophile didn't get them to disavow orangeman - something as vague as this never will.
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u/favmove 5h ago
Every time bots were actually purged back in the day theyād all be whining about losing 100s of 1000s of followers overnight instead of just acknowledging so many of their follows were not real people.
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 4h ago
In the brief window where you could see where accounts were posting from, a lot of things were made clear. Thus the brief window.
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u/hawkseye17 5h ago
Ukraine doing more to protect western democracy than most western leaders. It seems that kinetic time-outs are effective
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u/USDXBS 4h ago
You guys laugh, but I haven't spoken to a dozen of my online girlfriends since these strikes hit, so they didn't just hit data centers.
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u/Mature-Mayhem 5h ago
So knocking out data centers, crypto goes by by too, hmmmm
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u/Ill_Dragonfruit_453 5h ago
The whole point of crypto is to be ādecentralizedā so if one data center or government etc goes down itās not lost forever, i keep seeing stuff about āepstein class owned all the bitcoin and now itās goneā but Iām not holding my breath because it shouldnāt work that way
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u/Mature-Mayhem 5h ago
How hard they push Ukraine to stop will tell all! Trumps already threatening to cut off all arms!
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u/Desperate-You-9695 5h ago
Itād be real funny if we all went on to remind the child abuser what the local legislation in his area is for child sa. Itās free legal advise bc his prior representatives have been awful!
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u/mangotheorange 5h ago
Keep in mind folks, billionaires want to build environmentally-devestating AI data centers in your backyard so the US can join the bot parade.
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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 4h ago
Zelinsky should win the Nobel next year. That would really piss off Donnie.Ā
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u/ihadtochooseaname420 4h ago
someone is running outta cards.
maybe they should just say thank you to Ukraine.
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u/ComfortableOld288 4h ago
We need to be arming Ukraine with as many missiles as possible
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u/chrisKarma 4h ago
I'm sure a breakdown of traffic stats on the conservative sub would be super interesting right now.
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u/SherbetAromatic7644 4h ago
I popped over into the conservative subreddit and you can definitely notice a difference.
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u/PopBulky7023 4h ago
Sure, but then you go talk to trump voters in real life. And you realize that while bot farms are real, so is the genuine and willful stupidity and malice in maga.
ICE exists without bot farms. So do the ghoulish deportations in defiance of law and to countries where people are guaranteed to die, or worse. So do the torture and death camps.
So does the military doing illegal shit.
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u/ealysillyforestthing 4h ago
Those bot farms have taken an ember and made it into a bonfire
Every single real life trump humper I know just repeats what these bots repeat. Don't forget trump loves the poorly educated
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u/goodtimevib3 5h ago
The data centers in Isānotārael will pick up the slack, maybe someone should take those out tooā¦
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u/orange-squeezer47 5h ago
Trump is going to be mad as hell. He will now exact his revenge on Ukraine.
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u/ShinePretend3772 4h ago
Iām more than a little concerned about the response. If the polls hold true, itās going to be avalanche. If the vote is overwhelmingly against the current administration, whatās the response? It could get very ugly. This shit is scary
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u/AtomicBlastCandy 4h ago
I wonder how much ketchup Trump has thrown at the wall? This is hilarious not just because it shows how Russia has been pushing conservative messages but now Trump can see how angry actual people are at him.
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u/BadChoicesTogether 3h ago
Has anyone thought about checking all the accounts that went dark so we can flag them?
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u/KingEllis 3h ago
I will admit to not using this platform, but where are they getting "99% hate posts" from? 6M viewed it, 6K commented on it (that to me, is probably the story), 44K hearted it (way larger that 6K...).
Are there any numbers present here where a rational person can see 99 percent "hate posts" out of any of this?
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u/Weekly_vegan 1h ago
No before and after picture? š«©peak internet journalism these days.
Anyways a quick look at posts of trumps tweets before the Yandex bombing show the same account ārepublicans against trumpā having the top comment consistently.
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u/perrydolia 1h ago
They not only own the media by which we get our news, they also undermine one of our main methods of verifying what we are presented as news.
Don't ignore the man behind the curtain.
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u/-whiteroom- 1h ago
Anyone still wondering why the elite are pushing for huge data centers everywhere?
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u/lloydandlou 4h ago
donāt see how this matters when people keep voting for him anyway š¤·š¼āāļø
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u/HopDodge 4h ago
It's easier to trick people into think8ng you're the good guy when you have a stranglehold on the media they consume.
That said I fully believe they cheated in both elections to a major degree.
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u/underisk 4h ago
clicking on a few posts of his, some of them look like this even before the bombing
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u/Apathy-Syndrome 4h ago
I would love to believe that a significant amount of the support for Trump and MAGA is astroturfed Russian agitprop. I don't know if it I do, and obviously that doesn't absolve the people who fell for it and voted them in, but if it's true, that does give me a modicum of hope for a post-MAGA future here.
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u/voodoodahl 4h ago
r/politics is much different now. Before there was always a highly upvoted comment chain in every thread shifting blame to democrats for what a Republican did and I haven't seen that at all today.
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u/MrMakesBadChoices 4h ago
Crazy that it took the dystopia being turned off for a day for people to realize they've been living in one.
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u/diffferentday 4h ago
I think we all guessed it but the largest and possibly the most effective intelligence agencies (Israel and Russia) clearly function around blackmail and power. No one trusts Putin enough to sell out. They get on the leash other ways.
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u/acutelonewolf 4h ago
It shows how we need social media companies to shut down the bot farms, not encourage them.
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u/Ok_Finding_1369 4h ago
Thank you Ukraine! I know who is getting the Nobel Peace Prize next year. President Zelenzky!
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u/Constant-Minute6794 4h ago
If you go back several weeks it is the same thing. This is sensationalized.
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u/TheWindowMerchant 4h ago
Hopefully Americans show up at the polls... as a non-American I have my doubts.
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u/Significant-Base6893 6h ago
Once Ukraine disabled a Russian bot farm, Trump immediately demanded Zelensky to be ousted.
Coincidence? I think not.