r/britishcolumbia • u/zalam604 • 3d ago
Community Only 338Canada updated Friday, October 9: Projected Seat count: 53 BCCP, 38 NDP, 2 Green (map in body)
| Region | CPBC đľ | NDP đ | Green đ˘ | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lower Mainland | 29 | 23 | 1 | 53 |
| NanaimoâVictoria | 1 | 10 | 1 | 12 |
| Okanagan | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 |
| Interior and Rest of BC | 17 | 5 | 0 | 22 |
| Total | 53 | 38 | 2 | 93 |
- Lower Mainland: Relatively competitive, with the Conservatives leading by six seats. This region contains 57% of all seats.
- NanaimoâVictoria: Strongly NDP, with 10 of 12 seats.
- Okanagan: All six seats favour the Conservatives.
- Interior and Rest of BC: Strongly Conservative, with 17 of 22 seats.
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u/TheGreatBrett 3d ago
Iâm by no means a political expert - but why would David Eby call a snap election with a 34% approval rating even if he thought the conservatives were in shambles?
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u/Frater_Ankara 3d ago
IMO with all the BCCP departures he thought the right vote was heavily split across 3 parties and never predicted them rebanding back again. Personally, I also didnât predict many peoplesâ goldfish memory about how abysmal the BCCons are as a party and that so many of them have just looked past or forgiven all their past issues. I am shocked at these numbers.
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u/YzermanNotYzerman 3d ago edited 3d ago
I just don't understand it at all. How are people missing the clear racism and anti intellectualism coming from the right in BC. It's genuinely shocking to me.
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u/psymunn 3d ago
I mean I think the sad and most obvious answer is they don't forget; they support it. Two trump elections and the public reaction to covid should make it clear there's a lot of people feeling like they are in fact victims and support punching down as a supposed solution
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u/VenusianBug 2d ago
Or they don't care because they don't think it impacts them. There's more selfishness and self-centeredness than I thought during the good times.
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u/Syeina 2d ago
Whenever I ask they just throw a tantrum and say it's time for a change even if I ask about them to explain their reasoning about why they think the BC Cons would be a good choice
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u/Velocity-5348 Vancouver Island/Coast 2d ago
If you don't think he's an idiot, it's because his majority was razor thing and he thought he was going to lose his majority soon anyways. I also gather that the thin majority has been making it hard to get legislation passed.
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u/mykeedee 3d ago
Because he thought he saw an opportunity to grab 2 more years of power. Everyone knew he was done in 2028.
There's a lot of posting in this thread about what a threat the Cons are and how they'll privatize and ruin everything. If David Eby cared about any of that he wouldn't have given the Cons the chance to take power early.
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u/CanadianLabourParty Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
The Conservatives were gaining traction. The NDP were losing their majority.
It was either call an election now while the BC Cons were disoriented or wait until the next election time and have the BC Cons have a the ability to absolutely route the BCNDP.
Best case scenario for NDP is things go back to square one with an NDP minority backed by the Greens, and no CHANCE of the BC Cons triggering an election.
Worst-case scenario, the BC Cons win a decent majority, that they would have had anyway.
A middle-ground scenario is the BC Cons win a slight majority, which means the unhinged, culture-war shite becomes a no-no, including their pet projects like privatising healthcare and ICBC.
Because the moment they try THAT stuff while holding a slim majority, and a BC Con MLA has to step down, they lose that majority and now they can only pass the more procedural stuff.
This was once again, the NDP putting the nation/people over party. We either endure the inconvenience of a snap election and make the right call, OR we go, "Bad Eby for making us vote." and reap the consequences of that.
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u/stealstea 3d ago
Still flabbergasted at the catastrophic decision making from Eby here.
He was in a perfect position with the conservatives in free fall. Â He would have likely won the two byelections and cemented his majority, maybe even picked off a couple centre B.C. MLAs over time as efforts to unite the right floundered. Â
Instead he called an election that no one wanted and lit a fire under the conservatives where they set aside their differences temporarily to pretend to be normal and now theyâre likely to win. Â
Just a shocking amount of incompetence and betrayal of the province and total unforced error. Â So disappointing. Â
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
We also don't know what was happening behind the scenes. The number of MLAs who quit the NDP immediately after calling the election tells me he wouldn't have lasted the full 4 year term and we'd likely have been having an election in the spring.
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u/ship_toaster 3d ago
In Eby's words, from a press conference yesterday:
For people who haven't been following closely what happens in the legislature; when you have a 1-vote majority, it is technically a majority, but every vote is a tie vote and the speaker has to break the tie. And what that means functionally is you can't control the schedule in the legislature, and on every vote the government might fall. On 13 different occasions, the Conservatives have tried to collapse the government, and a couple times they came really close. I had colleagues attending virtually from hospital beds after having a new baby, after cancer treatment, and because we couldn't control the legislative schedule we spent, I can't even tell you how much time we spent debating whether or not we should repeal the BC Human Rights Code and legalize discrimination in British Columbia. This is what Conservatives wanted to talk about.
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u/ouroboros10 3d ago
Only 1 of those MLAs was at all a surprise. Chow is pushing 80. Lana has been an MLA for 17 years and it was common knowledge she wasnât running again. Brenda has cancer.
Iâm not saying caucus is super happy right now with Eby but it wasnât like any NDP MLAs were about to cross the floor.
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u/1baby2cats 3d ago
Both Kahlon and Greene were both big surprises and big losses imo
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u/ouroboros10 3d ago
Greene yes. Ravi, only a surprise to outsiders. But Greene was messy for sure.
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u/Reeder90 3d ago
Yeah I think 4 MLAs not running again and now Mable Elmore (a respected MLA in Vancouver) coming out against his decision about the Filipino cultural centre is showing us that unity within the NDP is fractured more than we think.
DRIPA and LNG were also causing rifts in caucus and that was well documented.As more information comes to light, I have to wonder if some in his own party were going to vote to bring down the government in the spring. Not only would he then have to face voters anyway, heâd have to face them with half of a caucus that doesnât believe in his leadership.
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u/DietCokeCanz 3d ago
I think sitting MLAs would push the party to a leadership review rather than vote against caucus in a confidence vote.Â
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u/Raging-Fuhry Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
As much as I prefer the BCNDP over the... Alternative, I think they have their own problems with 'activist' MLAs, similar to the BC Cons issues with, well, crazies.
Obviously not nearly as bad, imo, for the NDP, but it's not too farfetched for me to believe that there is a significant enough chunk of NDP MLAs who value ideological 'purity' on things like DRIPA and LNG over the good of the province and would have brought the government down regardless.
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u/MWD_Dave Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
Apollo Chung, the former director of operations for the Conservative Party of BC:
"Thatâs all I keep telling everybody: once you get government, who cares? I donât care about, like, saving the province and all that shit. Like, saving the province is only secondary to what the main prize is. The main prize right now is to get government. Once we get government, you can do what the fuck you want."
A reminder that this fellow didn't get fired for saying that. He got fired because it got made public.
If I was Eby right now I'd be pretty blow away by how many people are fine to ignore that (and all the other craziness) as well.
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u/stealstea 3d ago
I agree, the conservatives are very dangerous. Â Iâll still be voting NDP Iâm just so mad that this was a complete own goal and none of this needed to happenÂ
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u/impatiens-capensis 3d ago
Or he could have renegotiated a supply and confidence agreement with the Greens!
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u/Radiant_Sherbert7272 3d ago
What's the saying? Fool me once shame on you? Fool me twice shame on me. The NDP has broken two agreements with the Green party. The Greens wouldn't have made a deal with the NDP.
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u/Erik_Dagr 3d ago
Equally flabbergasted.
I am still voting NDP, because I truly believe the local candidate is excellent.
But I won't be surprised that the NDP lose this election. Eby has proven himself to be a fool with this decision and doesn't deserve to be the leader.
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u/stealstea 3d ago
Which is too bad because he was excellent housing minister and his ideas did more on housing than any other government in decades. Â
He just wasnât cut out to be a leaderÂ
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u/NoOcelot 3d ago
He's proven nothing. Wait until the election results. I doubt the current poll
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u/CaptainMagnets 3d ago
Yup, and now I'm disappointed in the people BC voting in the conservatives because they're plan is to make our province so much worse
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u/Brownguy_123 3d ago
Not from BC, but from Ontario, I just really enjoy following elections. It looks like Eby tried to take a page out of Doug Fordâs playbook.
Ford called an early election, framing himself as the best person to stand up to Trump. At the same time, the opposition was divided on the left. The Ontario Liberals had a new leader who barely had time to introduce herself to voters, while the NDP remained around where they were in the previous election. The Ontario Liberals and Ontario NDP vote split almost perfectly, helping Ford secure another majority.
Eby seems to have tried a similar strategy, but with a divided opposition on the right. He may have been banking on the BC Conservatives struggling to consolidate support under a new leader who had limited time to build name recognition. It also looks like the Trump factor is not as big as it was when Doug Ford called his election too.
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u/Salticracker 3d ago
Unless it's changed in the last couple of days, Trump isn't even top 10 in issues for voters in polls
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u/resolutelyperhaps 3d ago
Did you watch his announcement video calling the election? Even he couldnât deliver the Trump thing in earnest. We are all fully aware of the gravity but numb to the stench by now.
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u/Orqee 8h ago
David Eby was never elected as Premier; Doug Ford was. I am not calling Eby an idiot out of personal dislike or opposition to his politics. On a basic human level, he simply is, much like Trump. Despite sitting on opposite sides of the political spectrum, the similarities are striking: close door decisions, corruption, financial mismanagement, extreme ideological positions, and the encouragement of extremism. The parallels are uncanny.
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u/collindubya81 3d ago
If Eby loses this election then there needs to be a serious rethinking of the leadership of the bcndp.
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u/PhaseWhole6391 3d ago
Agreed. I can't even listen to him talk, anymore. All this I'm going to do this & I'm going to do that. You had a majority government, goofball. Why weren't you already doing it? SMH
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u/bradeena 3d ago
I mean they did actually accomplish a lot, and no one can do everything all at once. From another commenter:
Highlights of BC NDP governance, thus far:
Overhauled family-doctor pay, to make general practice more feasible for physicians.
Matched 1 million patients with primary care in, 600,000 were within the last 3 years, with 4,000+ more being matched every week
Opened a new medical school at SFU to train more doctors in BC, added double the number of seats for nurse practioners.
Changed zoning rules to allow more housing (blanket re-zoned BC) so duplexes, triplexes and small multi-unit buildings can be built in more places.
Imposed housing targets on municipalities, to force NIMBY city councils to approve more housing
Restricted many investor-style short-term rentals, to return rental supply back to communities
Indexed the minimum wage to inflation, with now highest minimum wage of most provinces
Expanded pharmacist prescribing - for 21 minor ailments and birth control (improves efficiency and ease of accessibility of healthcare for everyone.
Created the Land Owner Transperency Registry is now free to use (you can look up who owns what buildings).
Made prescription contraception free
Introduced public IVF funding
Opened a specialized menopause clinic; Expanded menopause-drug coverage
Created a renterâs tax credit of $400, with expanded renters protections
Expanded first-time-buyer tax exemptions
Funded school meal programs
Expanded subsidized child care
Introduced 5 paid sick days; banned employers from requiring doctors notes
Eliminated MSP premiums
Removed interest from BC student loans
Added employment protections for Uber, DoorDash etc workers.
Brought in pay transparency rules for job postings
Scrapped the lower liquor-server minimum wage
Heat pump rebates, making them accessible for lower-income households and helping to reduce heating bills.
Completion of the EV highway via the installation of charging infrastructure.
Asking rents are down 10% from their peak.
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u/ketamarine 3d ago
Best run jurisdiction in all of North America is 100% BC under Horgan/greens and Eby.
You can argue about his charisma or leadership, or the strategy of calling this election.
But you CANNOT argue with their record.
Astonishingly good. And it saddens me deeply to see people of this province ignore what actually matters - that this govt was fighting to make our lives better.
I have never supported the NDP elsewhere in Canada as it's mostly full of impractical culture warriors. But the BC NDP is indeed different.
I'm working on the local campaign just to at least try to do my part to keep the fucking whack jobs out.
Have people not seen what Doug Ford has done to ON???
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u/Raging-Fuhry Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
Totally agree, comparing the current NDP tenure to the absolute disaster that was the BC Liberal government is night and day, we actually had a government with good intentions for majority of the population.
That being said, I think the BCNDP has its own big problem with 'impractical culture warrior' MLAs, and I think we'll see in the post-mortem of our NDP Government just how much those particular MLAs were willing to sacrifice the good of the province for ideological 'purity'.
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u/Just-Ad3485 3d ago
They are also piss poor at highlighting their success. Everyone seems to feel like things are bad and getting worse, and have no idea what is being done by the government.
Reddit isnât representative, but the amount of people that have posted things like â healthcare is a mess and the NDP didnât do anything about itâ is wild
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u/idiom_exon_0s Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
Itâs because he treats us like pets. He talks as if speaking softly will convince people of anything.
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u/Braddock54 3d ago
I can't even wrap my head around how someone sees Eby and then hears him talk, and thinks; "yeah that's the guy". He's an absolute disaster.
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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago edited 3d ago
I agree. I actually think most will look at this and say he's not far enough left on various things but in 2026 I don't think that's the winning strategy anymore.
People want focus someone who is confident, less partisan and focus on the economy so that we can actually fund health care, education, etc without continually increasing the tax burden on everyone.
If there was a centrist party who somewhat resembled Carney they would wiped the floor with both BC conservatives and NDP.
The answer to this is not go more left, nor is it to go far right - there used to be a middle ground in society and we need to get back to it.
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u/RechargedFrenchman 3d ago
"so that we can actually fund health care, education, etc"
Except those are Left positions these days. The Overton Window has moved so far right that anyone just being decent and not entirely throwing everything at the feet of corporations is on the Left politically in the current climate. Even if they don't see themselves that way. Carney is doing everything economically the Conservatives wanted to do, minus all the social bullshit around trans people and racial minorities; that's not "Centrist" and I at least sure as shit don't want it in BC or Canada.
Most left politicians also have no interest in "increasing the tax burden on everyone" and saying they do is a conservative smear tactic to dissuade anyone voting left. Increasing the tax burden for fuckheads like Chip Wilson is something everyone should be able to get behind, increasing the tax burden for the plumbers and grocery store workers and stuff isn't even in the wildest proposals.
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u/One-Pollution4663 3d ago
I donât know, I think a populist message like âwe need to make the province work for working peopleâ could be effective. BC needs a just transition for people suffering the decline of forestry; coal, oil and gas companies should pay their fair share to subsidize a home-building boom to lower rents and make sure our health care system is functional. But Iâd sure want to do some polling before rolling that out because bc is a diverse place.
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u/ketamarine 3d ago
Eby is 100% the Canadian politician that most resembles Carney in terms of policy.
He has pushed massive investments in healthcare and schools, alongside real reform like the family doctor initiative.
AND has pushed forward infrastructure projects including natural gas, which I'm sure he took a beating for from those on the left of his party.
He also tackled housing affordability with more policies that really mattered than basically anyone else. He got laundered money out of housing, banned foreign buyers, put in vacant homes taxes. AND IT WORKED. And no one cares.
Shocking.
If he gets voted out we are all going to look at this as a golden age for BC...
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u/LateToTheParty2k21 3d ago
Ebys done some good policy changes but he's absolutely not like Carney.
Carney works with everyone, he's actually far less partisan than anyone gives him credit for. Eby is a born and bred partisan.
He got laundered money out of housing,
He definitely talked about it while he was an AG. He hasn't implemented much of the recommendations that came out of it though.
The last decade has not been a golden age. By any means. That is not to say the next decade is going to be better but you are rewriting history.
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u/treefarmerBC 3d ago
I actually think most will look at this and say he's not far enough left on various things but in 2026 I don't think that's the winning strategy anymore.
That's a losing strategy. Most votes are in the centre.
I cannot support them because of their positions that are way left of centre. For example, DRIPA/Land Act/Heritage Act/ reconciliation in general is way left of where the average BCer is. I know it's been walked back, but decriminalization was far left policy too and we're still dealing with the results.
This kind of stuff makes me overlook the problems I have with the Conservatives. At least if they get in, they can undo some of this stuff and the NDP can get a reset with a new leader.
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u/adoradear 3d ago
Youâre going to overlook all the harms the Conservatives are going to cause bc you didnt like the trial of decriminalization (which has been walked back bc it didnât work as hoped)? ThatâsâŚ..definitely a choice. Remember this when our health care system completely crumbles so they can sell it off to the private equity companies from down south.
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u/1baby2cats 3d ago
Tbh, even if he wins, he needs to step down imo. Its clear the public opinion has soured
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u/TrashedLeBlanc 3d ago
The worst thing about this, besides Eby's idiotic decision to try to grab 2 extra years. Is the NDPs marketing. They actually can point to things that have improved and instead they're doing the same thing almost every left of centre party has done and lost on for over a decade. Demonizing the opposing party not touting their achievements. Cons bad. Trump bad. That wears off after a while because people know this.
They need to pivot fast and start showing people what they've done. Not how awful specific MLAs are
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago edited 2d ago
Yes, they MUST communicate their track record and positives otherwise the other side capitalizes on ignorance and claims they have none.
Highlights of BC NDP governance, thus far:
Overhauled family-doctor pay, to make general practice more feasible for physicians.
Matched 1 million patients with primary care in, 600,000 were within the last 3 years, with 4,000+ more being matched every week
Opened a new medical school at SFU to train more doctors in BC, added double the number of seats for nurse practioners.
Changed zoning rules to allow more housing (blanket re-zoned BC) so duplexes, triplexes and small multi-unit buildings can be built in more places.
Imposed housing targets on municipalities, to force NIMBY city councils to approve more housing
Restricted many investor-style short-term rentals, to return rental supply back to communities
Indexed the minimum wage to inflation, with now highest minimum wage of most provinces
Expanded pharmacist prescribing - for 21 minor ailments and birth control (improves efficiency and ease of accessibility of healthcare for everyone.
Created the Land Owner Transperency Registry is now free to use (you can look up who owns what buildings).
Made prescription contraception free
Introduced public IVF funding
Opened a specialized menopause clinic; Expanded menopause-drug coverage
Created a renterâs tax credit of $400, with expanded renters protections
Expanded first-time-buyer tax exemptions
Funded school meal programs
Expanded subsidized child care
Introduced 5 paid sick days; banned employers from requiring doctors notes
Eliminated MSP premiums
Removed interest from BC student loans
Added employment protections for Uber, DoorDash etc workers.
Brought in pay transparency rules for job postings
Scrapped the lower liquor-server minimum wage
Heat pump rebates, making them accessible for lower-income households and helping to reduce heating bills.
Completion of the EV highway via the installation of charging infrastructure.Â
Asking rents are down 10% from their peak.
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u/jsmooth7 3d ago
It's crazy because I've seen instagram videos from some of the NDP MLAs highlighting all this stuff, usually with barely any views. But nothing from the main campaign. I simply do not understand what they are doing here.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
Yeah they need to understand were living in an age of weaponized communications. You have to bring a strong comms game, and spend on getting a message that resonates with what people care about. The whole over focus on Trump was a big mistake.
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u/CanadianLabourParty Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
Because Right-wing corpos OWN social media and thoroughly drive and push outrage videos.
Promote LGBTQ+ content on Xitter and it gets muted. Push the narrative that Pierre Poilinever is the best and it gets updooted to oblivion.
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u/One-Pollution4663 3d ago
I read somewhere that it was motivated by the fear that the economy is likely to suck for the next couple of years and that it was decided to have an election now before things get even worse for the ndp.
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u/ManintheGyre 3d ago
The marketing has been completely asleep for a very long time. Not nearly good enough. People have no idea what ndp has done and is doing for them and what's yet to come.
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u/Lost-Finger-8497 3d ago
Not looking good. If this is the result, even a NDP+ Green coalition won't be able to take on the conservatives.
I guess we'll see what a conservative government is like in BC
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u/youngrecruit 3d ago
It will be like the BC Liberals with added racism and homophobia, etc.
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u/idiroft 3d ago
And magically all talk (right wing talking points) about deficits and indigenous land claims will suddenly vanish.
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u/Raging-Fuhry Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
The Ken Sim strategy.
I feel like the only person that noticed the massive increase in coverage on Metro Van crime in the lead up to that election from outlets like Global, despite actual stats showing things like violent crime were at an all time low.
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
I predict the first thing they will do is replace their current interim leader with a more right wing leader. Doerkson was never meant to be premier. They just need a more moderate appearing person to help them win. It's all a grift.
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u/GooeyPig 3d ago
It won't be immediate but it will be the end result, yeah. He's either going to kick out the crazies, then they'll form their own party (or just join OneBC) and act as a perpetual spoiler once they get their ground game organized; or he'll keep them in and they'll be impossible to satisfy, leading to them forcing him out even though he took them to government. Doerkson won't survive four years.
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u/Flashy-Armadillo-414 3d ago
I predict the first thing they will do is replace their current interim leader with a more right wing leader. Doerkson was never meant to be premier.
That's crazy to think we the rank and file would dump a leader that snatched victory from the jaws of electoral oblivion.
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u/MWD_Dave Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
I've got a pretty decent idea:
Apollo Chung, the former director of operations for the Conservative Party of BC:
"Thatâs all I keep telling everybody: once you get government, who cares? I donât care about, like, saving the province and all that shit. Like, saving the province is only secondary to what the main prize is. The main prize right now is to get government. Once we get government, you can do what the fuck you want."
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u/Acrobatic-Collar347 Lower Mainland/Southwest 3d ago
David Eby is a fool
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u/nexus6ca 3d ago
As a NDP supporter, I 100% agree with this statement.
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u/Bark__Vader 3d ago
Shame we lost Horgan
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
That probably wouldn't have made a difference by now. This is what Canadians do every 8-10 years - decide it's time for change regardless of whether the current government is doing a good job or not.
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u/AckwardNinja 3d ago
which is absolute lunacy we should be willing to correct bad choices faster and stick with good choices
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u/LetMeRedditInPeace00 3d ago
Welp. The improvement in health care was nice while we had it. Get ready for a few years of MLAs wasting time yelling about trans kids and DEI and cutting public services. Maybe theyâll put us through a separatism referendum, too.
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u/PM_ME_MICHAELS 3d ago
ICBC, too. And nobody will connect the dots when their insurance premiums double in 2028
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
"Maybe theyâll put us through a separatism referendum, too."
This would not surprise me one bit.
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u/Love_Your_Faces 3d ago
Actually getting sick that every post about the election is just another poll report. They're almost like the definition of self-fulfilling prophesies And the top comments is always a variant of "this shows how dumb Eby was for calling and election"
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
Theres a lot of bot activity too, repeating variations of the same one liners everywhere.
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u/Love_Your_Faces 3d ago
Yeah the bots, astroturfing and karma farming have been rampant for a long time. Some people seem free to be their worst selves when anonymous, and I can't trust anyone to be who they say they are. This isn't the Reddit of my youth! lol.
I actually use Reddit a lot less now, and mostly stick to the interest-specific smaller subs. The popular and location-specific subs are too full of fakes, lame jokes, fears and rages.
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u/Break-Spear 3d ago
Well, this is just great. I have absolutely zero faith in the Conservatives to not scrap rent control the moment they're in and my landlord raises it by the maximum they're permitted to every year. Suspect I'm going to find a notice it has doubled on my door next year.
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u/bleepbloopflipflap 3d ago
Yeah a Con majority will put me at risk of being homeless. Not looking forward to it. Hopefully people vote strategically. I like the Greens but I can't let a Con win.
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u/archetyping101 3d ago
I'm angry at the NDP and I'm angry that people aren't connecting the dots. Looking at where the Blue is, those are areas that often complain about being underserved medically. DO THEY GENUINELY THINK THEY WILL GET MORE OR BETTER CARE UNDER CONS???Â
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u/AirportNearby9751 Lower Mainland/Southwest 3d ago
Itâs all about the party to these people. They see Conservatives and think âno more woke shitâ and thatâs all they care about. They donât care that they too will suffer.
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u/BarelyCanadian_ 3d ago
They genuinely don't give a fuck and even if you told them that, they'd still just say "well Eby didn't do anything". Fuckers will cut off their nose to spite their face.
Here in my redneck town they're talking about how crime and homelessness has gotten so bad under Eby, and how they want more police to send them away. Which is ironic because police is funded mostly by the municipality, which has nothing to do with Eby's policy making.
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
Many of those people also fail to recognize that the problems we're having in BC are the same or similar to every other province in the country and most countries in the world. It's not because of Eby - it's the global situation now. Do they not see how Spain is protesting because of high rent and lack of accomodation? Sound familiar? So it the rental problem in Spain also Eby's fault? These are, unfortunately, global issues and they don't want the solution that will fix the problem.
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u/BarelyCanadian_ 3d ago
Absolutely. Just like housing affordability is a global issue. The problem is people are so narrow minded and quick to believe whatever narrative is being pushed in their face on social media. We need to look outwards to places like Spain or France to see that if you want change you need to protest. Voting for the opposite party who'll reverse the changes that the current party made (that take years to see actual results) just keeps us in and endless cycle.
And I'm not saying NDP has been amazing at addressing the issues at all, but they're our only choice against a party that wants to dismantle it all for their big wig friends to make more money from us.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
Exactly. Its the end stages of three decades of neoliberalism and the financialization of housing. That's hard for any provincial government to contend with and solve, especially if its a bigger systemic trend tgst has a lot to do with Federal level policies and direction.
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u/CALOTOVA 3d ago
You literally can not overestimate how many idiots there are out thereÂ
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u/0xCivicDuty Lower Mainland/Southwest 3d ago
You people are genuinely ridiculous. "yOuRe aN iDiOt iF yOUr VoTe IsNt tHe sAmE aS MiNe"
Ever consider that people don't resonate with the direction the province is trending under the NDP
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u/captainbling 3d ago
I agree with you but If one is worried about healthcare, and housing⌠why would they chose the conservatives. Their priorities are at an impasse.
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u/jojawhi 2d ago
It's more "You're an idiot if you vote for a party of hateful jerks whose staff admitted that they just want to steal public money."
If the Cons were a serious party who just had different policy ideas, I wouldn't care if they or the NDP got in. It's that the Cons are literally a party of corrupt wannabe criminals, and even if it's not all of them who are like that, the fact that ANY of them are like that, and that it's public knowledge, makes the rest of them complicit and just as guilty.
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u/Scripter-of-Paradise 3d ago
They're not genuine and they don't think.
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u/archetyping101 3d ago
They're genuinely hateful or selfish or misinformed.Â
The number of times I've had some hateful people call into our campaign offices (I've worked several) and started off heated and ended up thanking me and asking for a lawn sign is honestly...a lot of times LOL. They don't know. Whatever their sources are are lying or they heard from a friend of a friend or their boss votes a certain way and they've listened to that boss and look up to them etc.Â
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u/Scripter-of-Paradise 3d ago
Voting like your boss is peak wage slave behaviour.
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u/archetyping101 3d ago
Unfortunately know MANY people who literally model their lives like their boss. The whole "surround yourself with who you want to be" without considering generational wealth, marrying into wealth, privileges, etc.Â
I had a coworker who looked up to a boss we had who was filthy rich. Like one of the richest people I've personally ever met. We're talking Weston family rich. He was telling my coworker how if she just worked hard, overtime, saved pennies, looked out for opportunities, she would be rich too. Absolutely go F yourself dude, that's such bullshit advice when it's family money đ
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u/mintberrycrunch_ 3d ago
Thatâs the story of how it always goes for (uneducated) people voting right.
A centrist / left government comes in, whatever problem someone has doesnât go away overnight (even if improvements get made), then at the election the right gets to talk about broken systems (so they can dismantle them), and the uneducated voter thinks maybe that will change things and they ironically vote against their own best interest.
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u/Kooky-Anything4450 3d ago
Its been almost 10 years of NDP in power, I don't think its fair saying problems have not gone away overnight, NDP has seriously dropped the ball over the last few years and people want change. If it doesn't work out, hopefully the NDP or whomever can come back better
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u/Yoooooooowhatsup 3d ago
While true for some things, it's demonstrably not true for the medical services this poster is talking about. That's been one of Eby's NDPs best achievements and it will only get better the longer they stay in power. At least speaking for myself: my friends, my parents, and I have all gotten family doctors in the past year and a half directly due to the NDPs policies. My parents live in one of these rural communities, as well.
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u/RechargedFrenchman 3d ago
The Cons / the BC Libs before them have also been doing everything they can to slow down and otherwise hamper those improvements, because if things actually get better they can't point to how bad they are during the campaign period. Actual positive change is hard to run against, but they can use their seats to try and stop that change from happening in the first place, and they've gotten really good at it.
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u/mintberrycrunch_ 3d ago
Iâm pretty apolitical and Iâll never sign up for any single party â but objectively, the ndp has accomplished a lot.
So many big things are often overlooked too. The family doctor situation is drastically improving because they completely overhauled how they are compensated. They managed to break through municipal gridlock and force up zoning of the entire province to allow multiplexesâthis is huge and has potential to entirely change the housing equation here long term (if the conservatives donât blow it up). They revamped ICBC and insurance rates have fallen dramatically for the same coverage.
I could go on but those are just things off the top of my head that are often forgotten, and they are huge
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u/RadiantPumpkin 3d ago
There are half as many people without a family doctor as there was 5 years ago. The NDP built a new hospital in my northern town that opened 2 years ago. Things are happening.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
The BC NDP has spent the past several years tackling the issues people complain about most: healthcare, housing, and affordability. They've overhauled family doctor compensation, connected over a million people to primary care, expanded childcare, removed interest on student loans, introduced paid sick days, made prescription contraception free, expanded renters' rights, and have pushed major housing reforms to get more homes built. There's more, I've posted a bigger list in this thread.
Its hard for me to understand, knowing the full record of what they have delivered, that people just hand waive all this away as 'nothing'. Of course there's room for improvements, and they know this, I just don't see the logic on throwing it all away for a far-right culture-war party.
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u/nexus6ca 3d ago
The rightwing nut cases that the BC Cons are fronting to the people will do a lot of damage in the 4 years they would get with a majority.
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u/ZidZad99 3d ago
And to think, all of this could have been avoided for at least the next two years if Eby didn't end up getting so cocky and shootinghimself in the foot. Absolutely zero reason to call this election, especially when municipal elections were already happening.
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u/coolthesejets 3d ago
Exactly the sort of low information shit conservative voters gobble up thanks for demonstrating
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u/No_Grass_8894 3d ago
I donât see anything low-information in their comment, it's an opinion. Why didn't you bring any information if you think they aren't getting it?
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u/neometrix77 3d ago edited 1d ago
10 years still isnât even that long in terms of the magnitude of the problems we face. It took like at least 40 years for housing prices to get this bad in the first place and no one in that time period has actually been able to make serious improvements in affordability on this front. In all likelihood it will take at least another 40 years for the problems to completely disappear.
What we really should be looking for is some kind of measurable improvement that recovers maybe like 5-10% of the problem in 10 years, and not just completely change change direction because 100% of the problem wasnât solved in 10 years.
The NDP has measurably stopped the bleeding on many fronts, but itâs just not enough (at least in many voters minds) to override the momentum we had going in the wrong direction before they took office and the many background global problems completely out of their control that makes governing difficult for everyone in this timeframe.
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u/DigiDug 3d ago
They would vote for a hay bale if it was painted blue.
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u/archetyping101 3d ago
Someone on another post said they're voting Tory. BC Cons are NOT Tories. LOL.Â
Just like BC Liberals aren't fed Libs.Â
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u/Royal_Laugh4168 3d ago
Blue Area person here. Been on the doctor wait list going on three years..The desperation and hopelessness is real.! Iâm not only speaking for myself when I say weâre absolutely fed up.! People are dying up here in ambulances being diverted to other places because of emergency room closures. This is all under Ebyâs watch..! Not sure where to go from here politically but the NDP in its current state has proven to be absolutely negligent on this file. Oh, and if you visit a âblue areaâ pray that you donât get in an accident or other emergencyâyour life will be on the line..
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u/Own-Beat-3666 3d ago
I am in Saanich, our GP retired in 2022 so its coming up to five years in March waiting for a GP. So doesn't matter where you are in the Province. What really gets me is some new arrivals seem to get a doctor sometimes only waiting a few months while the rest of us wait years.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago edited 3d ago
There's 4,000+ people being matched per week, with aggressive recruiting of healthcare workers from the US, Europe snd South Africa. They opened a new medicsl school too. It sucks for everyone in your situation, but please trust that its only a matter of time before you get matched. If the BC NDP stay in power, that is.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
Keep in mind tgat they have matched 1 million people to GPs since taking office, are aggressively recruiting healthcare workers from the US and Europe, they created a new medical school, and reformed doctor pay to retain doctors and incentivize med students to take up family practice.
Are they done? No. There's 4,000+ people being matched per week. There's still shortages and yes, it does take time to reverse a crisis that built up over 2 decades, notably due to underfunding and cuts from the previous right wing governments (BC Liberals who rebranded as the BC Cons).
Part of the struggle is its harder to get doctors to want to live in rural areas, hence the unequal access (even with pay incentives).
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u/sluttycupcakes North Coast 3d ago
The issues with healthcare were created 20-30 years ago predominantly by the BC Liberals. There is no quick and easy short term solution other than service reduction to stabilize core services. Closing ORs, reducing community services, reducing MH and substance use funding etc where Human Resources are being diverted.
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u/Snoo-72724 3d ago
Iâm not voting NDP but the Cons are literally on tape saying if they get into power they are going to rob the province blind. How does that fix anything?
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u/Bigchunky_Boy 3d ago
Unfortunately that is the current state of the country. Itâs an old system that has been picked apart by private industry ( tech, insurers bad contracts, little infrastructure upgrades) . The money is gone anything anyone promises right now is a lie . Do not fall for privatization. Just look at the rural areas in the states and elsewhere no one is coming to fix it . Everything is city based bc of money and politics of small towns can be to intrusive for healthcare professionals. Anti vax etc . This shouldnât be the way but here we are . Iâm sorry but I am voting for change not same old bs from either . Greens have my vote
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u/Signal_Flight_7262 3d ago
You do realize that the doctor shortage we have is because of liberal and conservative cuts to the doctor programs right? That's why we are dealing with this. It take decades to train doctors. We are now training more doctors because of the NDP government and when we vote back in the conservative government we will be having the exact same problems again in another decade. People have zero foresight
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u/CuddleCorn 3d ago
Its also just like... The government can't force someone to go be a doctor in some random small town. At most they can offer some financial incentives. But there's a limit to what's reasonable there.
What are these regions doing to make themselves actually appeal to young educated professionals to want to move and live/practice there? If I'm a new doctor, older range of gen z, progressive minded, maybe gay or just have family who is, used to transit and amenities and cultural diversity of people and food options, established social circles and everything, I'm not sure there's any number they'd be willing to to pay me to convince me to go be a doctor in say, Quesnel.
For the blue areas and values seemingly being all about personal responsibility, they sure as heck almost never seem to take any self reflection on why their small town populations are dwindling and so many young people leave to never return.
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
I can tell you where it'll go - years of studies from expensive consultants and near the end of their term they'll announce changes to healthcare which will take another 4-6 years before we start seeing any change. Then, after their second term, we'll have another election because it'll be "time for a change" and the NEXT government will take years of studies from expensive consultants and near the end of their term they'll announce changes to healthcare which will take another 4-6 years before we start seeing any change. Then, after their second term, we'll have another election because it'll be "time for a change" and the NEXT government will take years of studies ......
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u/SevereRunOfFate 3d ago
The consultants to BC government are insane. I've seen it firsthand, a lot of people make a ton of money bilking our typically well-meaning bureaucrats.
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u/BarelyCanadian_ 3d ago
Yeah it's delusional to think any party has serious plans to reform the healthcare system. We need to be taking to the streets like in France. Canadians are too fucking passive. And it's how they get away with constantly screwing us.
NDP hasn't done much, cons will certainly make it worse. However knowing how bad cons ruin public infrastructure I'm forced to vote NDP.
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u/Royal_Laugh4168 3d ago
This is actually where itâs at right now. Consultants, and bloated mid-level management caught up in their own studies. PS the election cycle factor is also insane.! This election when they had a clear mandate also delays crucial time for work to be done on the medical file. Who ever wins, needs to get to the root of the problems and actually come up with a solution. The status quo is putting a lot of people at risk..!
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u/calicohorse 3d ago
Replacing an inept Eby with a faceless Conservative majority and no clear mandate, that'll really show em, I guess.
If we're really gonna change governments, can they at least be a minority? Way more shit gets done when there's a coalition agreement like there was from 2017-2020, and nobody's coasting or making ridiculous changes for 4 years out of it.
And if anyone says otherwise, no, the party can't just allow the interim leader to take over permanently.
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u/DeSynthed 3d ago
Very unlikely there is a minority government in BC, since greens are not projected to get many seats.
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u/Scripter-of-Paradise 3d ago
Right. Greens are just going to split the left/center vote
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u/discoprincess 3d ago
It's wild how my MLA claims to have left the Cons but all his sign are still Conservative??? No one seems to care that Ian Paton voted against human rights and I find it bizarre. But all these farmers stick together and not for the best candidate.
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u/IT_scrub 3d ago
Paton left, then came back. Absolutely disgusting man. My only hope for South Delta is there are enough racists to split the vote between him and OneBC, letting the NDP take this seat
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u/I_am_always_here 3d ago edited 3d ago
Just a friendly reminder that none of the polls are conducting a per riding survey. The pollsters are essentially guessing the number of seats by averaging the popular vote against the per-riding vote margins in the previous election. On the other hand, the NDP would have done per-seat polling before any election call.
There have been elections in B.C. where a party with a lower popular vote have won more seats, although obviously it does not look good for the NDP at the moment.
The polls also only track decided voters, and at last count the undecided were at an unusually high 27%. I haven't been able to find the number in the latest polling reports to see if it is still identically high. The polling estimates assume that most of the undecided voters will vote the same way as the decided voters, but if that is wrong by more than the margin of error then the results are skewed.
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u/zalam604 3d ago
That is 100% correct. What they do is take the aggregate data and apply those to the actual data in the last election. What I can tell looking at the data is that theyâre projecting NDP ridings to softening because of the green vote and general unpopularity of the NDP right now and conservative are getting even stronger.
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u/Hiply 3d ago edited 3d ago
This may go down in BC political history as the greatest own goal that's ever happened here.
The miscalculation by Eby and everyone who advised him dropping the writ was a good idea because the conservatives appeared to be in disarray just completely ignored the obvious "Sure, but come election day their supporters will all vote for them".
Eby could have had 2 more years to try and live up to many (hell, some) of the promises he made and put the NDP in as strong a position as possible for a 2028 election...but no, that would have made too much sense.
I'm voting NDP because any party putting "We're repealing SOGI because it's a child safety issue" front and center on their policies page is never going to get my vote.
Get ready for car insurance to skyrocket when they open the door to private insurance and uncap ICBC, services to be cut - medical especially, and other fun things.
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u/Reeder90 3d ago
Not even close⌠2013 still beats this.
We also donât know what was going on behind closed doors. Rumours are swirling that there was enough dissent that some of his MLAs may have turned against him at the next confidence vote.
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u/CipherWeaver 3d ago
Lol that south of the Fraser split is wild. Really the difference between urban Vancouver and suburban. They have very different values.Â
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u/MWD_Dave Vancouver Island/Coast 3d ago
Apollo Chung, the former director of operations for the Conservative Party of BC:
"Thatâs all I keep telling everybody: once you get government, who cares? I donât care about, like, saving the province and all that shit. Like, saving the province is only secondary to what the main prize is. The main prize right now is to get government. Once we get government, you can do what the fuck you want."
A reminder that this fellow didn't get fired for saying that. He got fired because it got made public.
If I was Eby right now I'd be pretty blow away by how many people are fine to ignore that as well.
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u/Westsider111 3d ago
Not at all surprised by this. The lower mainland is where the battle will be, especially south of the Fraser. I wonder what the numbers are looking like in Ebyâs Point Grey riding. The map shows it as NDP, but I wonder how close it is. It would be so ironic if he lost his own seat given that he dethroned Christie Clark in that riding so she had to run in byelection in Kelowna.
The Cons are running a guy in Van Quilcena who graduated from high school in 2018 and he is leading. But since that area in unlikely to go left, I suppose youthful inexperience is better than re-electing the incumbent (Dallas Brodie).
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u/morwr 3d ago
For everyone complaining âpeople are so stupid to vote for thisâ remember that the majority arenât voting for it. The polls only show about 44% are voting conservative. The NDP could have brought in proportional representation as was suggested by the all party committee last year. Instead they continue to roll the dice that theyâll get a majority because thatâs better for them. Not what is best for us.
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u/Educational_Bus8810 3d ago
Conservatives and NDP do not want proportional representation. This gives smaller parties seats, leaving no chance of a majority. It seems every election I need to strategically vote. Last time my green candidate stood out for me, a real leader. I voted NDP, to try and stop the conservatives. She was so liked that it split the vote so the conservative won with 37% of the vote.
Its a broken system when you need a 1/3rd of the votes tto win.
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u/Foreign-Chocolate86 3d ago
I canât wait for the mandatory gender checks in our highschool bathrooms.
Thatâs sarcasm, obviously.Â
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u/Chadiwack 3d ago
Now its time for the pendulum to swing the other way like it always does in politics.
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
Yep and in 4-8 years when BC decides we've had enough and it's time for change, it'll swing back the other way for a decade or so, and that party will spend their first term fixing what the conservatives broke, then perhaps another 4 trying to make things better, then after that it'll be "well, it's time for change" and BC will elect another conservative party, who'll break everything and then blame the previous government. It's a never ending cycle.
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u/brightandgreen Lower Mainland/Southwest 3d ago
We are going to do the NDP what the far left did to Kamala Harris.
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u/DerkBerklin 3d ago
If things really do go this badly for the NDP, I'm at least hopeful the division within the BCCP will remain. In both parties, actually. It is good to have MLAs that are dissenting with varying party stances. Very good in fact. If constituents (NDP + BCCP alike) can keep pressure on their MLAs to represent their real, local interests intraparty, we can continue to have a functioning, reasonable government regardless of who wins. The kooky racist right-wing MLAs ought not to be able to enact whatever lunacy they have lined up thanks to most seats being more moderate, while lukewarm corporatist policies may yet be shot down by the loons (maybe I'm dreaming here).
A good party leader is not authoritarian, and toeing the party line having become the norm is a big part of why politics are so fractured and out of touch today. What a laugh to call the NDP 'dysfunctional' recently because some NDP MLAs actually have principles/scruples and stood up to Eby when he planned to make changes to DRIPA. Whether I agree with them or not, I will always salute a politician who stands against party lines when it doesn't match their values. This is exactly how politics should function.
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u/usernamesareclass 3d ago
As a non Canadian long term resident, it is entirely shocking to me that folk would swing from the BC NDP to the BC Cons (or whatever amalgamation of them is currently operating). I understand where folk find the blend more opaque when you shuffle in the Liberals on a federal level, but this juxtaposition is truly baffling to me.
To jump from one to the other is quite a leap indeed.
Eby struck me as a shrewder operator than this. John Horgan he certainly is not.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
It is shocking, especially for those of us who don't take for granted the good things the BC NDP have done.
I take more of an issue with Federal level of government and the three decades of neoliberalism which had driven up cost of living for the average person. Its a big part of why people are voting to the right (especially younger gens, if they don't actually know the real reason they are being disenfranchised). Three decades of neoliberal economic ideology, saw expansion of wage suppression programs, let monopolies run unchecked, axed large federal level subsidized housing initiatives (back in the 90s), and led to financialized housing (bringing in both domestic and foreign speculators in real estate). Growing wealth inequality and the destruction of the middle class is a breeding ground for more extreme political ideologies. We've seen this play out in history.
It will be hard for any provincial government to make much difference with the baseline of neoliberalism and plutocracy unchanged. You don't see better successes with any of the core issues around cost of living, poverty and homelessness, in conservative-led provinces. If anything, Conservative leadership will be more brutal on low income persons.
By and large, many people do not even know what the BC NDP have done to try to make things better. And you can bet your ass wealthy interest groups are running aggressive propaganda and disinfo campaigns to convince the have nots, that right wing parties have the answer, and progressive governments are uniquely failing. They make false promises to fix things, while diverting attention away from bigger systemic issues, with culture-war distractions.
I hate that people have to flip to the opposite extreme, and learn the hard way.
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u/omegaphallic 3d ago
Eby is a fool, not just calling the election in t he first place, but because he refused to do MMPR. He will go down as the biggest fool in BC NDP history.
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u/BarelyCanadian_ 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is insane.
You can look all around the world and find instances where voting for the right has made things worse for the average citizen. Just look at Alberta. They used to have public car insurance and some of the lowest fees. Now they've privatized it and have the highest fees. Not to mention they used to be the place to escape the taxes and high cost of living seen in BC and Ontario. Now they're just as expensive.
Here in BC we privatized our ferry services in the 90's. And we all love how they're operating now right? Chronic staffing shortages and cancellations. Where's the competition to make things cheaper for us that they always claim? News flash: not every service is meant to be profitable.
Ontario privatized their highway and are now being tolled for a highway they ALREADY paid for in full with taxes. How the fuck does that make any sense?
Right wing politicians serve one purpose: funneling more money to the rich.
Stop listening to American funded propaganda and open your eyes.
Voting the MAGA wannabes because you dislike Eby is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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u/AJMGuitar 3d ago
Compare the cost of a house or gas in BC, AB and ON. AB is a much cheaper place to live.
Look at the latest jobs report and let me know what province actually gained jobs. Cmon be better.
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u/Immediate_Idea2628 3d ago
Apparently America can be happening right now, and everyone will just ignore that and vote for the exact same policies here but expect different results.
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u/Nic12312 3d ago
Everything youâre spewing is what Carney is doing on a federal level. Are you against him? Guaranteed youâre an elbows up liberal.
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u/BarelyCanadian_ 3d ago
No actually, I am very pissed at his recent decision to privatize our airports. That'll only make things shittier and more expensive for us.
I did like a lot of what he's done already, fostering new trade deals with other countries and promoting investment within Canada. But this is not what I voted for.
Nor is it really a liberal or "leftist" policy. He's really a conservative who concealed himself enough to pass as a liberal. The party is centrist at best. However I'm still much more happy that he's in charge, than if PP was in office.
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u/DerkBerklin 3d ago
Surprise, both are bad! Carney is not a part of this election.
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u/Light_Butterfly 3d ago
This is so on point. It's frustrating that people have to go in an opposite extreme to learn the hard way, rather than building on the stability and momentum that we have.
The big thing that often escapes criticism, is that cost of living issues were three decades in the making thanks to unchecked neoliberslism. The right will double down on neoliberal policies, while cutting everything supportive that people need.
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u/Curious_Ninja1708 3d ago
Had an interim leader ever won a provincial election in Canada? This might be a first.
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u/HongDongYong 3d ago
Cons have been destroying ont for like a decade, good luck bc
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u/tipper420 3d ago
Normalize having the elections on schedule and avoiding snap election calls unless absolutely necessary!
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u/Asluckwouldnthaveit 3d ago
BC voters are going to get what they deserve. Simple as that. Prepare to pay more for everything.
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u/RunWithDullScissors 3d ago
Stop being so mellow dramatic. Costs arenât rising with NDP? Where the grocery savings Eby promised? Gas tax they wonât relent on. So we donât get a break there. Everywhere you turn taxes in bc are riding with talks of more. Deficit is skyrocketing, 1.5 billion dollar miscalculations. So go onâŚ
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u/canuck1701 3d ago
Conservatives campaigned on an even higher deficit than the NDP did last election, but go on.
This is classic voting for a shit sandwich because you don't like baloney lol. Different isn't always better.
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u/otisreddingsst 3d ago
Many NDP voters are pissed about the NDP unnecessarily calling an election two years early and in the middle of a civic election, and while their competition was essentially without a leader. Absolutely cruel and rediculous behaviour, which is frankly below them, and extremely undemocratic or at least unsportsmanlike.
I'm not saying the Conservatives are better, but this is very much a hold your nose and pick which option you think stinks less. The both are rotten at this point.
We have no sensible centrist option. NDP have been operating mostly as centrist in BC, but have also have been extremely authoritarian in some regards.
This is a spite vote. Days before calling the election, it looked to the NDP like they were popular and would form government, they forgot that people in Canada are spiteful.
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u/bradmont 3d ago
Why on earth is "nanaimo-victoria" a category rather than just "vancouver island"?
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u/emuwannabe Thompson-Okanagan 3d ago
Just a reminder to those who are not happy with Eby and are thinking of voting Conservative to "send a message ot the NDP". The BC Conservatives have still not confirmed that interim leader Doerkson will be the leader if/when they win the election. My feeling is he won't be - he's there as "window dressing" to make the party seem less extreme, when in reality this is the same party who chose Findlay to be leader. They are the same party as they were then.
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u/nitromethane-fuel 3d ago
It was bound to happen, literally everyone i know is voting cons cuz they hate eby
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u/youenjoylife 3d ago
It's wild, and what a terrible reason to let maple MAGA have control, "I hate Eby because he made me vote" is just so shallow.
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u/Past_Sky_4997 3d ago
Yeah, if you're not happy about having to vote... don't...?
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u/is__is 3d ago
I hate Eby for a lot of other reasons.
I also happen to hate the conservative party though.
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u/theredmokah 3d ago
Let's not reduce people's frustrations to that. That's how Trump "somehow" got in power. Because people's legit frustrations were ignored or deemed insignificant.
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u/ScaryGenie 3d ago
How will making things worse help at all? Iâm always amazed how people go with vibes and feelings âfor changeâ and not look at the potential consequences of electing a batshit insane far right party full of performative bs morons.
âLetâs vote for the party campaigning on making our lives worse, being incredibly weak and willing to cozy up to republicans, selling off our province to the highest bidder, and gutting our education and healthcare systems!â
Donât forget, white supremacists and neo-nazis vote conservative because they share a lot of the same ideals. Do people really want to align themselves with a party that nazis look at and say âya, thatâs the party that shares my beliefsâ.
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u/Weird_Rooster_4307 3d ago
Wow the bots to fuel BC separation from Canada are hard at it. I get a boat load of money that almost none of these people that were polled donât even know the candidate that they are voting for.
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u/_timmie_ 3d ago
Jfc, people in BC are morons. We literally have people in Alberta and Ontario begging us not to vote Conservative because it's a shitshow and the party itself is filled with just the worst people ever and we're apparently just all "hold my beer" about it.
A Conservative government is going to be a fucking disaster here. Even all the campaign promises they're making can just be immediately tossed out the second they get their new leader, which we know is going to happen.Â
We are a bunch of fools.Â
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