Hey yall, I am 20 years old, a resident of Florida, and hold a Florida CWL. Am I able to carry in Michigan when I visit this weekend? I read the language of the applicable statutes, they say that the licensing scheme doesn’t apply to non-residents licensed in their home state. Is there any official clarity on this matter? Thanks!

Some are saying hack the barrels off of grandpapys double barrel and some are saying that they are still illegal

The way it reads to me (I AM NOT A LAWYER) is:

SBR: We are are all clear on making/purchasing SBRs now without a tax stamp, as the state law just says we have to follow federal regulations, which technically no longer exist.

Suppressors: These are now a legal gray zone since the state law SPECIFICALLY says that they require an ATF Tax Stamp. So since the ATF still takes and processes suppressor stamps (they just can't FORCE people to get them) we STILL have to follow this process to obtain a suppressor in MI, or it's a serious state crime (but not a federal one).

After re-reading the laws, it seems at least TO ME (again, I am not an attorney) that there is no change in MI, as our state law specifically mentions tax stamps being required. So no change in MI at all until we update our laws, if we ever do.

Please let me know your thoughts. I haven't heard any ACTUAL MI attorneys weigh in on this.

My current understanding (IANAL) is that most of the $0 items on the NFA are specifically listed as a felony in Michigan UNLESS they are federally registered. Meaning, they are legal so far as we follow and register them under ATF/NFA guidelines.

However, we now have a federal case where the NFA registration has been declared unconstitutional. If the $0 items get taken off the registry, everything existing will be grandfathered in, but no new additional purchases would be possible without the registry. If this goes through, I have no illusions that our current state government would not "save us" like they did after Dobbs. They could literally "do nothing" and keep most NFA items illegal (stop new purchases). Unless we somehow get a Republican trifecta (seems unlikely for Michigan) future NFA purchases melt away.

The other option, if this doesn't make it up to SCOTUS and $0 items get taken off is that the next time the Dems have a federal trifecta (like they did when Biden took office) they just use the budget bill to jack stamp prices up to $5K (adjusted for inflation) and effectively kill the industry for normal consumers.

I have slight hopes that someone might decide to be a "canary in the coal mine" and make a homemade suppressor and get rolled up for it. Based on the exact language of the law, someone who has previous NFA purchases might be able to get away with making (I doubt in state FFLs will sell to folks at that point) a new "NFA item" based on the fact that the language stipulates the "person" is licensed federally, rather than the item (our state law was written by idiots). Even if we get that through, it wouldn't allow first time purchases. The caveat to that would be (maybe) if people move all their items to trusts before the registry goes away and new people can be added to an existing trust. Which might help kids with NFA owning parents, but not any young adults who wanted to start the NFA journey on their own.

This just seems like it's going to be a mess for Michigan. Am I missing something?

EDIT/UPDATE: I was wrong about SBRs/SBSs. The SBR/SBS law is written that if they were unregulated federally, they would be unregulated in state as well. New suppressors, however, might still be a felony.

Suppressors:

MCL - Section 750.224 - Michigan Legislature

SBR/SBS:

MCL - Section 750.224 - Michigan Legislature

Was looking to get myself a frt for my rifle and when I went to look up the legality of it in Michigan I couldn’t find a clear answer. I know that it was deemed federally legal as it was deemed not a machine gun. However the AG Nessel says there are and they’re illegal, but I don’t see any laws stating that. If someone could help clarify I’d appreciate it. Not trying to go to prison over having fun at the range.

Hi all,

I thought there used to be an easy to find explanation on here, but I can't seem to find it. I'm looking for info in plain English.

My shop is closing and I'm having to look elsewhere to find things.

The way we have done it is:

- Show up

- Pass over License, MI CPL License, Out of state License

- Do typical paperwork sheet (or digital) *for background check

- He hands me a printed page with three blocks of transfer info on it (all identical) and I sign TWO of the three.

- He cuts the sheet up. I get one with whatever pistol I bought, and he keeps the other two. The signed copy is the shops record, the blank one goes in the trash and does not go to the state police (as far as my understanding).

Anyway, I'm trying to nail down a firm understanding of the process so I can talk about it intelligently with any new shop. I know even after the change happened there were still shops that wouldn't honor the out of state exemption.

Can someone fact check me on this or just shore up any info that could help others? It seems that since the legal change the MI Resident + out of state CPL process has been left in the rearview mirror by many.

Hey, I live on the boarder in Ohio, and all we have over here is Midwest shooting center that is overpriced, I was doing some research and it appears your allowed to do target shooting at paper and cardboard targets without a license, even when hunting season isn't active. Is this true? Have any of you done it or been to the one in Petersburg? Is there a caliber or magazine limit, I would be shooting 5.56, 12 gauge buckshot and 22 lr. I am also 19 And also do I have to keep the rifle unloaded until I get to the spot or no. Thank you.

Considering getting a Kriss Vector SBR, but confused as to whether or not I'd be able to carry it with a cpl?

OAL federally is 26.2", but shortest fireable configuration is much less than 26" (which is supposedly how michigan measures it.. making it a pistol).

To make matters more confusing, the FFL said they'd record it as "not a pistol" on the firearm sales record... but I found from doing my own research, that this doesn't seem to be correct based on Michigan law (under registrations requirements): https://www.michigan.gov/-/media/Project/Websites/msp/legal2/msplegalupdate106.pdf

Can anyone definitively clear this up for me? If the FFL did record it as not a pistol, could I later have it amended and registered as a pistol?

If registered as a pistol, could I carry it in sbr configuration concealed legally?

Is the penalty for not registering it as a pistol still a civil infraction?

Thanks in advance... it would be a massive help to get this cleared up.

As of 6/28/26, FRTs are still legal in Michigan? I don’t want to run into any trouble. The legality tip toeing is concerning. I guess that’s how they want me to feel with all of the contradictory laws.

What do I need to do for private long arm transfers? I'm wanting to buy a shotgun I was offered and I have a CPL. What do I need to do?

It was years and years ago but I don't know if that disqualifies me from getting a gun. I'm just looking for a handgun for protection, going through the application appointment in october but I want to know if I'm wasting the application money. I have no idea what "adjudicated" implies, as far as I know there was no legal process involved. How would I find that out? It was involuntary, but the language confuses me. I just don't want to waste the money if I'm already disqualified.

Did some law change that I am unaware of or am I misreading the text. Warren PD website says that LTPS are no longer required for pistol purchases from a FFL dealer.

Purchasing a Pistol

If an individual is planning to purchase a pistol from a Federal Firearms Licensed (FFL) dealer, or a sporting goods store (Cabela’s, Bass Pro Shop, Field and Stream, ect), a License to Purchase a Pistol (LTP) is no longer required. However, a Pistol Sales Record (PSR) will be completed by FFL dealer or sporting goods store. The FFL dealer or store will be responsible for conducting the criminal history and background check instead of the Police Department. You will need to return the MSP copy to the Police Department within 10 days.

Huh?

*City of Allen Park

*City of Dearborn Heights

*City of Taylor

*City of Dearborn

Three of these departments—Allen Park, Dearborn Heights, and Taylor outright refused to process an application for a purchase permit, each stating they only process applications for residents of their respective cities. I provided proof that I have a residence in AP, but they still refused to process my application. I even spoke directly with the Chief of Police, who upheld their policy despite the evidence I provided.

As for Dearborn (the city listed on my driver's license), the issue was access. City of Dearborn records department will only process applications during a 3 hour window, 2 days a week. I attempted to submit my application on Tuesday during normal business hours but was again denied because it wasn’t within their narrow application window.

Today (Wednesday between 12:30-3:30), I returned during the approved hours. I completed the application, paid their notary fee, and watched them run my background check and was told that it was approved. However, I was told I still wouldn’t receive the permit today, that the department is closed tomorrow (Thursday for Juneteenth), and that I might have to wait until after the weekend. No clear timeline was provided—just a vague “we’ll call you when it’s ready.” (For what it’s worth, Dearborn did say that they would process an out-of-city application as long as you have a Michigan ID. But there were also signs plastered all over the window stating that they would not issue same day licenses. So be prepared to make multiple trips.)

I have a valid Michigan drivers license and no criminal history. I have no desire to get a CPL in order to bypass this process. These police departments are adding additional barriers and complications to a law (MCL 28.422) that went into effect in 2024. That law specifically states that you can file for a LTP application in “ANY Michigan Police Department or Sheriff’s Office” and that “Licensing authorities (like police chiefs or sheriffs) must issue licenses promptly, unless there's probable cause to deny (e.g., the applicant poses a threat, committed a crime, etc.)”…this was a complete failure by each of these departments to provide a public services that we as citizens are required to follow.

I inherited a pistol this week. I have a CPL and want to carry it but I want to know what is the proper way to proceed legally. Thanks

For those who aren't aware, the Supreme Court recently ruled on a case from Hawaii regarding the right to carry a firearm on publicly accessible spaces that are private property. Permit holders needed to get permission from the business or property owner before being legally allowed to carry. These "vampire laws" were ruled to be unconstitutional.

The articles I've seen have mentioned several other states with similar laws, but nothing about Michigan. My understanding is that, in Michigan, a church or other place of worship is a prohibited place without the approval of the church's leadership. I am not a religious person, but sometimes I go to church with my parents on Christmas or Easter or for funerals. I'm certainly in no position to seek approval to carry a firearm from the pastor, but I prefer to carry whenever possible. Are there any lawyers here who have thoughts on this?

Does anyone know if the wasr 10 with underfolder is considered a pistol or a rifle

If you've tried to get a CPL in this county, you know the headache-inducing wait times. Has anyone within the last three months had the luck of walking in and getting their paperwork done? I ask because I messed up. I had an early August date two days after I turned 21. I went on the site to confirm my date, and accidentally rescheduled to early July when Id still be 20. tried to change it back to early August, surprise surprise earliest date is the 21st. Its the most annoying thing ever when i was taking my cpl class so many people where talking abt how fast their county clerk offices are and then wayne county is literally booked until September and we arent even out of July. 🫩

I’m making a form 1 suppressor and the YouTube tutorial I followed said I could email it directly to his office. What email address should I use for this purpose?

I am 18 and would like to “purchase” a handgun from my grandma even if no money changes hands. From what I have found I need to obtain a LTP at my local sheriffs department (I don’t have police for 15 miles). We would then need to fill out a RI-60 Form and she would need to submit that to her local police/sheriff department. Is there anything I am missing here? Is there legislation that stops me from owning a handgun, I know I can’t get my cpl till I am 21. I want to practice for the few years I have before then. Context: My grandpa was very big into hunting and guns in general and passed away 7 years ago. He had lots of handguns and some good carry guns that my Grandma now owns. I am planning to go shooting with her on our hunting property and pick out a gun if this transfer is possible. Thank you in advance!

Hey everyone, so I inherited some guns a couple years ago and due to a hospitalization, run arounds from the police and life/caring for my disabled mother time just got by me and I never never got them registered. I'm planning on getting a cpl and want to just get this all sorted out so I can legally carry these guns. Realistically, what sort of trouble would I be looking at getting this sorted out?

Hi everyone. I’m looking to build my first SBR. I want to make sure I follow the procedure legally and would like someone that’s done the processes in MI before to walk me through it a bit and maybe explains some of the laws and what’s required. I’m not sure how OAL and such comes into play. I have a Vz61 parts kit I’d like to build into an SBR.

For anyone here that has purchased a P365 FCU how did you have the Pistol Registration filled out? If I’m not mistaken I think they ask for overall length, barrel length, etc

Edit for anyone in the future:

Contacted my local deputy who files the RI-060 forms. He had me just complete a new RI-060 after the pistol was built and then submit that to him with all info filled out as well as the paperwork from the FFL when I purchased the FCU.