r/Judaism • u/justjust000 • Jan 20 '26
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Link to original Instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQJ3AkViofr
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u/ManicPixieDreamHag Jan 20 '26
I think itās pretty funny albeit unhelpful.
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u/isaacF85 Jan 20 '26
I am not sure it is unhelpful.
If they have a caricature of us alreadyā¦ letās live up to standards.
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u/carlandthepassions72 Reform Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Yeah because playing into antisemitic stereotypes is helpful to us /s
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u/tiredhobbit78 Jan 20 '26
It's pretty obviously a joke. If someone sees that and it gives them a reason to be antisemitic, they were alread an antisemite.
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u/carlandthepassions72 Reform Jan 21 '26 edited Jan 21 '26
Idk, there are a lot of guys whose mouths love to write checks their ass canāt cash. I donāt think this guy thinks itās a completely a joke.
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u/isaacF85 Jan 21 '26
I stand behind what I wrote, and I actually do it irl. Try that.
Whenever they say āthe Jews thisā or āIsrael that,ā I play on their fears and say that they better not be heard, because the Mossad is everywhere.
Those who jokes about it ā move on. Those who are serious ā panic. And being in the military myself, I am able to add more information which they cannot verify, but they have to be scared of because Satan is helping us (yes, they genuinely believe it).
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u/isaacF85 Feb 23 '26
Their obsession with us shows much more about their pity lives than anyhow about us.
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u/Max_Kapacity Modern Orthodox Jan 21 '26
The antisemitic stereotype is that weāre sheep.
Itās not the 1930ās anymore. Nazis jihadis and communists all must know, we have a nation with a military that is unafraid to use it, and on a personal level,
Jews with ARs donāt wind up in boxcars.
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Jan 21 '26
The current anti-Semitic stereotype is that we are both evil monster terrors to the world but will also fold up and surrender at a little bit of violence against us.
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u/jmartkdr Jan 20 '26
Going out of our way to avoid them doesn't seem to help either.
It's still cringey to me - if you have too announce you're a tough guy you're not really a tough guy.
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u/spoiderdude bukharian Jan 20 '26
Sure. Donāt go out of your way to avoid the stereotypes but donāt give in to them out of spite.
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u/isaacF85 Jan 20 '26
They believe it anyway. Let them be scared of it.
Egypt lost the war in 1973 for that reason precisely.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Humanist Jan 20 '26
Or we can be good people
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Jan 21 '26
Even if all the Jews in the world act as good people as you define it, hundreds of millions of people will still rally against us and the rest will do nothing to stop them. Being a good people is well and good but Jew hatred has to be fought. We should not be so naive as to believe that if we did all that is good and right than we will be treated equally well.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Humanist Jan 21 '26
I'm not suggesting you be a good person so that others will think well of you and treat you better. Those are selfish reasons. There is both intrinsic and spiritual value to being the best most ethical person you can be.
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u/Capital-Ad2133 Reform Jan 22 '26
Fighting back against antisemitism, and even giving a warning that weāre doing so, is the epitome of being an ethical person.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Humanist Jan 22 '26
Which is different than "living up to the standards of their caricature of us"
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u/Capital-Ad2133 Reform Jan 22 '26
If anyone is caricaturing us, I donāt give a fuck what they think about just about anything.
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u/Accomplished-Plan191 Humanist Jan 22 '26
Just try following the logic... If someone creates a caricature of a greedy Jew, do you "live up to the standard" by being greedy? How does that fight antisemitism?
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u/Capital-Ad2133 Reform Jan 22 '26
I respond by doing whatever the hell I want. I donāt let antisemites determine my behavior in any way. Judaism is defined by Judaism, not by people who hate it.
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Jan 21 '26
I think that we need to take a more aggressive stance against Jew hatred even if it means that we can't be a good people in some ways. For too long many Jews have decided to do all that was good and right while people shitted on us behind our back. We have the right to make demands. People can not say we need to support their cause because of our history and try to gain money and manpower from us while at the same time maintaining that Jews do not deserve a justice of their own or the Jewish cause is not part of the universal fight for freedom of the Oppressed.
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u/Clonewars001 Modern Orthodox Jan 20 '26
I find it funny, but thatās not a shirt Iād wear in public. Maybe as a pajama shirt though.
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u/Remarkable-Pea4889 Jan 20 '26
I wouldn't wear a shirt like this, but it's actually somewhat true. Research has shown that to survive the Holocaust people needed to be selfish rather than selfless.
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u/njtalp46 Jan 20 '26
I know hard data is the best proof, but this rings true on an intuitive level.Ā
One anecdote: my grandfather survived because he was rebellious and hated shtetl life. I heard the story of him eating ham and getting punched in the face by his father. But that spirit also made him willing to hang out with Russian soldiers when they moved into town. The same Russian soldiers who liked him and offered him a lift (alone, no family) when they pulled out ahead of the German invasion. 8 immediate family died, he lived.Ā
I'd say that was pretty selfish of him.Ā
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u/akivayis95 Jan 20 '26
Based on everything I've ever been told, he likely didn't think family members were about to die, right? Many thought discrimination and persecution from the Germans would come, which, yes, that is selfish to leave family behind like that now that I think of it.
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u/ZalmoxisChrist Jan 20 '26
This was my exact thought process when I watched "Come And See" (1985). The protagonist is Belarusian, not Jewish, but the antagonists are the same damn Nazis. It's weird to call a selfish, naĆÆve character who gets most things wrong a protagonist, but when the Nazis are involved you always know who the antagonist is.
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u/njtalp46 Jan 20 '26
I enjoyed reading your inner monologue play out. You raise a good point though
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u/Klexington47 Reconstructionist Jan 21 '26
My Saba survived selling soap from the Germans to the Russians because he was mischievous, bold, and a rebellious trouble maker. Never made the correlation until now.
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u/njtalp46 Jan 21 '26
That's incredible. Also now paranoid my grandfather had a secret second family lol
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u/TheGiantFell Jan 21 '26
And then thereās the anecdote of the freezing cattle car where the only ones who survived were those who huddled together for warmth. If youāre suggesting that selfishness is a necessity of survival, you are mistaken.
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u/RedStripe77 Jan 22 '26
Good story. I would not call it selfish but self-preserving and resourceful. What smarts your grandfather had, making friends with people outside his community, who were stronger and better equipped, and willing to help him. Jews had almost no allies anywhere! How exceptional that he won those soldiers over! It was his ticket out of certain death. Was he wrong to seek escape? Would his family begrudge him? Objectively, he was the one who adapted to the desperate, inescapable situation that was coming, and thus survive. Who are we to judge whether he was good or bad or right or wrong? There was no elegant, perfect solution for anyone. There was no solution, period! Except āthe final solution.ā Good for him that he got out. Baruch ha-Shem.
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u/justjust000 Jan 21 '26
That sounds like an interesting tale. Did he ever write down his memoir?
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u/njtalp46 Jan 21 '26
No unfortunately, but an oral recollection was logged by a Holocaust museum
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u/justjust000 Jan 22 '26
Nice. Do you have any links?
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u/njtalp46 Jan 22 '26
I don't want to share since it'll doxx my account. But so many survivor stories are magnificent and worth listening to
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u/sarcasm_itsagift Jan 21 '26
My cousin always says Jews have a propensity for anxiety because hyper vigilance has kept us alive š«
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u/crazysometimedreamer Reform Jan 23 '26
I wonder how many of us have a go bag with readily accessible papers?
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u/Sensitive-Inside-250 Jan 20 '26
What research?
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u/Remarkable-Pea4889 Jan 20 '26
For example, Survivorship and Shame: Tracing the Affective Afterlife of the Holocaust.
For some, this shame stems from the unshakeable understanding that they survived when many others did not, while for others this shame is caused by the their actions during the war which they now understand as wrong or corrupt, such as carrying out acts of perpetration towards other prisoners, using sex and prostitution as a survival tool, and acting in selfish and inhumane ways.
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u/crazysometimedreamer Reform Jan 21 '26
Iām a cancer survivor. I feel a great deal of sadness that Iāve known so many people with ālower stage, easier to treat, better prognosisā died. I even feel this way about people in their 60s and 70s and 80s, and I was in my 30s.
I can also guarantee you that nothing I did helped me get an edge to survive. I just did the treatment I was given. I did not have a positive attitude. I remember meeting people and thinking why I had to be the one to have the hard cancer. Or be so young. Iād have dark thoughts in support groups when people were going on about not enjoying their retirement cause they had cancer in their 70s when theyād lived 4 more decades that I was likely going to get. (And then Iād feel horrible because cancer always sucks.)
I watched people with easier cancers, a personal relationship with their God, supportive family, gym memberships, vegan organic food eaters, money, and positive attitudes get struck down while I didnāt.
I know I did nothing special and they did nothing special, it was blind chance who lived and who died. But, I still feel guilty, like I somehow cheated.
Survivorship guilt is real.
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u/Sensitive-Inside-250 Jan 20 '26
So normal human behavior seen in any violent or stressful situation. That link doesnāt back up your claim that people needed to be selfish to survive the holocaust. Survivors remorse and shame isnāt proof of being selfish.
Hereās a study showing that friendship and community even in places like Auschwitz improved the odds of survival.
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u/Klexington47 Reconstructionist Jan 21 '26
My safta was a survivor and she always said "if you can make just one friend anywhere you go, your time will be easier. Friends are important". Damn she was a smart woman
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u/idkmyusernameagain Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Thatās not the conclusion that can be drawn from what you shared.
It starts with āfor someā letting you know this isnāt going to be applicable to all or even most.
Then, it classifies shame as being derived from different sources from simply surviving when others didnāt (doesnāt sound selfish to me), sex and prostitution or selfish acts.
The closest conclusion from this is āsome people survived through selfish acts, others through using sex as a survival tool, means of survival for all others was not addressed by this paperā
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u/crazysometimedreamer Reform Jan 23 '26
Yes, they are totally missing the point of this. Itās a very common phenomenon that people who survive something that kills a lot of people feel deep shame and guilt over surviving, and come to see the people who survived as more innocent and perfect than themselves. I can tell you about all the kind hearted people Iāve known who died of cancer, and Iād probably say theyāre nicer than I am. (I had cancer and didnāt die.) I know, objectively, they werenāt. They were real people with real problems and real faults, but I can tell you fantastic stories about every one of them.
But my mind has romanticized them. I know all my ugly faults, but I donāt know all of theirās. And I guess Iāve internalized the āonly the good die young.ā
Iām also certain that there were selfish people and people who traded sex who didnāt survive the holocaust. They just didnāt live to tell about it.
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Jan 20 '26
Not to downplay the Holocaust, but there were roughly 10 million Jews who were not murdered by the Nazis. Including Sephardi and Mizrachi Jews who were largely untouched by the Nazis.
As for Ashkenazim, North America already had a sizeable Jewish population - including all four of my grandparents, who were born in Canada in the 1930s.
Who do I get to blame for being an asshole?
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u/littlemachina Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Not to mention the many who survived merely because the war ended and they were rescued from camps before dying. They didnāt do anything necessarily ruthless or whatever. Iāve had this debate with an antisemite who said āOnly the sneaky ones livedā or something so itās kind of disappointing to have to repeat this on this sub of all places :/Ā
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u/Pugasaurus_Tex Jan 21 '26
I mean, there were pogroms long before the HolocaustĀ
Thereās probably a reason your relatives came to CanadaĀ
Thereās probably someone you can blame
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u/Fit-Temperature-5362 Feb 16 '26
Got any sources on the 10 million not killed I canāt find anythingĀ
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Feb 16 '26
Literally just math. There were 16 million before, 6 million killed.Ā
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u/Fit-Temperature-5362 Feb 16 '26
1933 there were around 10 million total Ā in europe
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Feb 16 '26
And around 6 million in other parts of the worldā¦Ā
My point was that Jews existed in other places during the Holocaust.Ā
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u/Fit-Temperature-5362 Feb 16 '26
The comment I originally responded to made it seem like you thought the nazis spared or didnāt get to 10 million in Europe. Obviously 10 million survived if they were on the other side of the world.
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Feb 16 '26
My original comment explicitly mentioned Sephardim, mizrachim, and ashkenazim who lived in places outside of Europe. Like my family who lived in Canada in the 1930/.Ā
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u/Fit-Temperature-5362 Feb 16 '26
You said who the nazis didnāt kill like it was an optionĀ
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Feb 16 '26
This is such a nitpicky, ungenerous reading of what I have explicitly said is not the case that I am forced to assume youāre looking for a fight.Ā
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Jan 21 '26
From what I read, the people who survived the Holocaust weren't necessarily selfish but they were willing to take risks and defy orders from the Nazis or if they got caught and ended up in a Concentration Camp were clear eyed enough to realize this wasn't a mistake and that all they needed to do is find somebody responsible to speak to. Jews who followed orders for whatever reason tended to end up dead. I've also heard that one reason why the number of Roma victims was lower were that Roma were more likely to act up even when surrounded by Nazi soldiers and SS people while many Jews just silently resigned themselves to their fate.
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Jan 21 '26
I think this pretty much accurately captures a big split between American Jews and Israeli Jews. American Jews decided that the way to go forward was liberalism and cultural pluralism. For most of the 20th century in the United States this worked out well for us even if the strategy is hitting a lot of snags in the early 21st century. Israeli Jews are the ones that decided on a strategy of militant stubborn behavior regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum. This is why many American Jews believe that we can educate the anti-Semites out of their anti-Semitism, especially if they aren't from the White Right, and are willing to even accept a burden shift onto ourselves while Israeli Jews tend to just give anti-Semites the finger and demand that they bend not us. I am an American Jew but think the Israeli strategy for dealing with anti-Semitism is better. The problem is that many American Jews do not want to take the firm stance.
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u/Inner-Brief-5205 Jan 24 '26
Because we are a major minority. Israeli Jews are majority in Israel and will not be harassed for wearing this shirt in public. If a US Jew wore this shirt in public its just asking to be harassed or assaulted just for identifying as Jewish, imo
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u/Capital-Football796 Feb 21 '26
The American way doesn't work if the Israeli way is making the news. It's forcing Americans to adapt.
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Feb 21 '26
The American way isn't working even without the Israeli way making the news or is at least it is running out of steam in the 21st century. The White Right doesn't see the Jews as white but the DEI-Intersectional Left sees Jews as very white and don't really feel a need to include Jews in their coalition even if they want our money or our support.
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u/Capital-Football796 Feb 22 '26
It's a generational difference and has been growing in this direction for no small amount of time. The online era past 2010 has been an upward curve, if not slope. Jews have lost the PR battle with the next generations. Anyone born after the year 2000 is more likely to side against Jews.
The propaganda war is insurmountable. I spend no small amount of time talking to antisemitic people. The most powerful weapon you have is treating them with dignity to such an extent that, when they find out you are Jewish, it's too late for them to change their opinions of you.
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u/Swimming_Care7889 Feb 22 '26
I think this is correct. People born before 2000 are old enough to remember the Second Intifada and also where Israel was the plucky underdog for a good part of the conflict. The other part is that Jews and Jewish institutions basically ignored the PR campaign and the online world for too long. Many did not realize or did not want to realize what was happening despite sounding the alarm bell. We are basically fighting a rearguard action.
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u/hooahguy Not a fan of Leibels Jan 20 '26
This is a cringe shirt, sorry.
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Jan 20 '26
When I have kids I will wear one to the first parent-teacher-meeting at school. I totally agree with you though.
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u/Remarkable-Pea4889 Jan 20 '26
I've had an Israeli MIA dog tag since the 1990s. Ron Arad has been missing since the 1980s and still hasn't been found.
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Jan 20 '26
On top of that this dude seems to be a hardcore biker. In my 34 years being a Jew I have never met a Biker Jew. Makes this a lot funnier tbh.
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u/SarcasmWarning Jan 20 '26
There's a number of us. There was even a tv show made a few years ago with a number of uk based young-adult Jews doing a bike trip across america (I was shortlisted but didn't actually make it into the show).
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Oh wow, what's the show called? Sounds interesting.
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u/SarcasmWarning Jan 20 '26
Honestly don't remember. I'm guessing it was at least 15 years ago (by trying to remember where I was working/living when interviewed).... It was Jews on Bikes (2013), but I never actually watched it.
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u/namer98 Torah Im Derech Eretz Jan 20 '26
There is a local group to me in Baltimore, the Lonsmen. I think they mostly like to get bagels together.
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u/shlamiel Jan 20 '26
what makes you think he is a biker?
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Jan 20 '26
He has a lots of pictures of himself in biker attire, namely a vest and such, riding a chopper on their company instagram. At least he used to, haven't checked in a few months.
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u/lepreqon_ Jan 20 '26
There's at least one Jewish biker "gang" in Toronto Area. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Yowies/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT
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u/cantankerousgnat Jan 20 '26
Why exactly?
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u/cantankerousgnat Jan 20 '26
Itās not āmilitary iconography,ā itās a ābring them homeā necklace worn in solidarity with the hostages. They are very commonly worn in Jewish communities throughout the world. Weird that you are posting on this subreddit and donāt recognize this necklace.
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Jan 20 '26
Itās something a ton of people wore for the hostages. Itās not āmilitary iconography.ā The shirt is a little cringe but the bring them home necklace is fine and tons of people were wearing them after Oct 7.
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u/idkmyusernameagain Jan 20 '26
Iām surprised that so many people arenāt familiar with the āBring them Homeā necklaces.
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u/batami84 Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
As the others said, it's a necklace for the hostages. But what's wrong with military iconography? Jewish military strength is one of the blessings of our generation. We all know what happened to Jews during the centuries when they were not so blessed.
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u/akivayis95 Jan 20 '26
A dog tag makes you that uncomfortable? Wow, we've gotten soft.
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u/PuddingNaive7173 Jan 20 '26
That person hides their post history. Wouldnāt surprise me if theyāre not Jewish.
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u/Suitable_Vehicle9960 Jan 20 '26
The Israeli military is the reason half of the Jews are alive today.
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u/njtalp46 Jan 20 '26
Unlike everyone else here, I like this shirt. Its cringe in the way that I'd wear in public
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u/PuddingNaive7173 Jan 20 '26
Hm, mixed feelings. Made me smile, but I wouldnāt wear one. (This is the guy Iād head towards if anything bad was happening tho.) In the US this would be seen as provocative. Iām wondering if itās different where he is, in Prague.
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u/Top_Indication2156 Jan 20 '26
I am not a jew here but from all i have seen... jews are not the problem. It is just people who are just very inhumane but try to cover their lack of empathy by hiding after religion; happens a lot in all of them unfortunately š. That is the main problem in our society. Someone who is faithful never goes in your face and says here is my religion, only someone who has to compensate for something does. I love all my jew, muslim and christian brothers and sisters. I come from a high diversity place actually (Albania) and here where i live we have a slogan "Albania's religion is albania / being albanian itself" (came in the times of the ottoman empire), so we have great peace between religions š„°š„°š„°š„°š„°. We love a person for being a person.
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u/Berettadin Jan 20 '26
This grizzly motherfucker looks like business, that shirt is awesome, I'm here for all it.
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u/BarnesNY Jan 20 '26
A bit ridiculous, but it doesnāt come from nowhere. They literally slaughtered the peace movement on October 7th and then complained that the movement suffered such a devastating setback
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u/euthymides515 Jan 20 '26
This isn't funny. We have a choice of how and who to be.
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Jan 20 '26
I don't think this necessarily means he is out to be an asshole or abandon tikkun olam /socially responsible ethics. It's about myopic naivity vs realpolitik
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u/Nanoneer Orthodox Jan 20 '26
I agree. I think itās a comment that the era of Jews being over acquiescent to others is over if they canāt be relied on to support us
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Jan 20 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
I'd like to refine that. It was never "over", it's sheer stupidity as a minority to ever acquiesce, especially over our 4000 years. Every 60 years there seems to be a few million Pick Mes who need to have the world explained to them
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u/PuddingNaive7173 Jan 20 '26
Where does the 4000 come from? Second time Iāve seen it today. Otherwise always saw with 3k or 5786
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Jan 21 '26
I retraced and that number seems to come from Abraham's estimated time. For me it's mostly splitting the difference between known (Israel Stele - 3000) and improbable (Biblical date). The Torah recounts peoples from at least 4000+ but prior to that it's pretty much pure myth with centuries skimmed over. Honestly I think 3500 is more likely
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u/RedStripe77 Jan 22 '26
Last time I checked (in grad school in the 1990s) Abraham was dated to the period of Hammurabi, which was 1800 BCE. Havenāt checked recently, maybe thereās been a new archaeological find that helps pin it down better. But 4,000 years is a pretty good number, although Jews werenāt quite Jews yet. They were proto-children of Israel. (Actually Israel/Jacob hadnāt been born yet.)
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u/ProfessionalBlood377 Reform Jan 20 '26
Can we talk about red shirtās hair cut choices?
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u/Charming-Sugar-7378 Jan 20 '26
I scrolled back up to lookā¦and man that hair cut is a CHOICE š
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u/pktrekgirl Jan 20 '26
Itās a CHOICE alright. š
And one he didnāt back down from halfway thru either. He was in it to win it.
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u/PerfectSherbet5771 Jan 20 '26
Yeesh homieās just tryna get a bialy and heās out here catching strays
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u/0zRkRsVXRQ3Pq3W Jan 20 '26
Better with https://www.reddit.com/r/jewishguns/s/QBWyCD6HmE sponsorship?
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u/sarah-yentel Jan 20 '26
Is this photo from Prague ? I have a feeling that I know the guy ...š¤ Concerning the t-shirt šš¤¦š¤¦š¤¦š¤¦
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u/Sea-Tangelo4116 Jan 21 '26
Yea like we miss Matilda.. we aināt got time for niceness no more.. only fight.. tbhš«©
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u/Fantastic_Back3191 Feb 01 '26
Atheist here- this is evidence of a good sense of humour. I just hope doesnāt get anyone in trouble.
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u/Mighty_Mac Jan 20 '26
There was a quick smirk that turned to cringe the more I thought about it. That's a bit edgy. Just my opinion.
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u/lollykopter Jan 20 '26
I think itās hilarious. I donāt get a ātough guyā vibe from it at all. I get more of a āwhat do you want from me? š¤·š»āāļøā
Maybe itās best worn in an intimate setting with other Jews, and not around town where itās going to be interpreted in the worst way possible.
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u/dicklaurent97 Jan 20 '26
Great point. Whether you take this as "Larry David" or "Bear Jew" is up to you
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u/GonzoTheGreat93 Bagel Connaisseur Jan 20 '26
Gross, chillul hashem.
I bet this guy wonders why his kids don't talk to him anymore. Probably blames "the woke"
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u/Impossible_Point6787 Feb 04 '26
Watched chosen a couple times getting ready for s6 I understand what Jesus was upset about towards āthemā
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u/Gammagammahey Jan 20 '26
This is hysterical. I want one of these sweatshirts. Please. Where did he get it? Absolutely incredible.
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u/flyingaxe Jan 21 '26
Almost every thing that Jews do in public nowadays are cringe. I stopped wearing kippah because I don't want to associate with these people.
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u/RedStripe77 Jan 22 '26
You come here to say that? Why are you associating with āthese peopleā?
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u/pigeonshual Jan 20 '26
Idk I think Iām pretty nice