r/starcitizen • u/kungfu01 • 1d ago
DISCUSSION For all those worried about the mkIV
Putting these here for everyone that doesnt read CIG's posts and think the mkIV Connie is gone forever.
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u/Delnac 1d ago
So long as there won't be enough resources to go around that some ships are left unfinished, barely-functional or untouched for years... I'm sorry, the cause for concern at "retired ships" being neglected - especially with them no longer being money-earners for CIG - is very real.
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u/CassiusFaux That one rare Hawk pilot 1d ago
The Hornets are a very, very real example of this. Mostly the Mk I, but even the Mk II.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
The resources are currently being used to make and money on new ships fund the game. If this was a finished product id agree
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u/cmndr_spanky 1d ago edited 1d ago
you're both literally saying the same thing. The outcome is the same. There's literally a 0% chance that CIG will pour resources into improving the mk4 over time when there's a 100% chance it won't yield any revenue for them. They don't even bother fixing ships that are broken that are still purchasable and not even a over a year old.
Stating "because the game isn't finished" is somewhat irrelevant to the facts. thousands of people play the game NOW to have fun, and have to make actual decisions on what's worth spending money on NOW. Yes there's lots of fine print and alpha warnings, but that's not how Star Citizen is marketed, and if everyone just purchased the $45 game package and nothing more, there would be no survival for CIG anyways..
My point: You can't have it both ways. If you need a lot of money and sell a lot of things, people will need to rationalize what they get for that cost RIGHT NOW. We are not investors, if we were investors we'd be getting dividends and/or a stake in the company.. that would be a very different calculus.
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u/drizzt_x Monk 1d ago
The resources are currently being used to make and money on new ships fund the game.
This will never, ever change. SQ42 sales, subscriptions, and gear/paint/cosmetic sales can not even come close to the amount of money that CIG makes selling ships, and thus, they can never stop selling ships.
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u/MundaneBerry2961 1d ago
You think they are going to stop once it hits full release? They will continue to sell ships and the same cycle will continue with ever increasing ship debt
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u/THUORN The SQ42 Albatross is killing my neck! 1d ago
A couple problems I have. 1) CIG loves to talk and promise shit, they just suck at actual keeping those promises. 2) They ALREADY cant maintain and keep up to date the ships that exist and they have started to only update some ships when they are selling something similar or using fomo to push a final sell of a ship that is being sunsetted.
I dont see how they will have an easier time maintaining the GROWING fleet as time goes by. And with the need to have a sale attached with working on a ship THAT NEEDS IT, how will sunsetted ships get the money to pay for needed work? Why would CIG waste money fixing MK1s, when they have a new money maker they could make and release instead?
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u/CyberianK 1d ago
They can't give me a Squadron 42 release date.
They can't give me a Banu Merchantman release date.
When the Connie Mk4 is a neglected stepchild drowning in the pool some years from now they will not be able to give me a necessary rework release date.
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u/handtoglandwombat Pioneer 1d ago
You’re exactly right. And it’s not even as if the mkIVs have been made completely bug free.
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u/Unusual-Wing-1627 1d ago
There will come a time when all the systems relating to shops, like engineering, armour etc, are in and a final standard is meet in regards to mechanics, and then however many ships are needed to be updated will be chipped away at until they're done. After that only graphical enhancements would need to be updated as graphics engines are upgraded of they are.
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u/sokos 1d ago
How's the LAMP on the new gold pass mkiv?
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
I dont think it has it or at least it wasnt working for me
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u/sokos 1d ago
Does the mk5 have it? Cause that should tell you enough of what the gold pass actually means.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
The mk5 does not have it i misread your comment. Haven't flown the mk4 since the gold pass yet
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u/mxxmmllm sabre 1d ago
it will get laid down next year / no more updates just keep it alive and eventually it gets nerfed in HP so nobody use it anymore
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u/BedContent9320 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea, exactly! Exactly guys!
This is why the MK1 Hornet still has 8 year old issues!
Err..
Wait what?
I mean to say, it's not like CIG has a very long history of releasing things then just abandoning them completely and forgetting they exist. Right?
They spend a lot of time focusing on the lower tier assets and keeping those up to date and functional, rather than only focusing on the popular thing and releasing new things.
So there's absolutely nothing to worry about guys.
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u/Tokyo_Ink 1d ago
Until they actually make the ships available in-game, this is just words. As it stands they are actually removing the ships completely from being acquired at all. Unless you buy it and own it, there won't be any way to get one after the retirement window. CIG would have a whole lot more support if they were giving people who own these ships the ability to upgrade for free and also keeping the original ships available in-game even if it was much more difficult to find them.
Right now it's just marketing to sell more ships. They rebrand the one we have as a "classic" and provide a new ship to sell in addition. We don't need to defend these marketing moves.
There's nothing wrong in theory with their plans, but given that they haven't implemented them, and CIG are notorious for operating at a snails pace, you can't just put this on a billboard and declare all criticism invalid.
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u/Delicious_Fortune_64 new user/low karma 1d ago
While that’s true, we can’t forget that the less a ship is used, the lower it falls on the list of update priorities.
Some ships that became virtually unplayable remained in a break state for years simply because no one was taking them out of the hangar anymore.
If the majority of owners upgrade from the Mk4 to the Mk5, the Mk4 might only get an update once every five to ten years. Where the Constellation stands a chance, however, is that the Mk5 is so different that owners who haven't already switched to another RSI ship might not make the move to the Mk5.
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u/CombatMuffin 1d ago
Which is ironic, because for the most part, how much a ship isnused is ultimately the developer's responsibility: you can have the ugliest ship out there, but if it is incredibly efficient or useful, people will use it.
I am willing to bet that more often than not, ships that are used less but were once mildly popular, are so because CiG preferred to move on to the newer ships andmpower crept.
The perfect example, imo, is the F8C. It's an incredibly popular ship they made to have limited access, and then power crept off the meta, to the point where even after opening it up to the public and limiting it by price or a random reward in CZ, it's still not going to be as heavily used as others, at the whole.
And most of thatz is not a player issue. Players will naturally tend to lean towards either newer, or effective/efficient ships
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u/3andrew 1d ago
Honestly, does it matter? I am of the opinion that as long as all ships are brought to gold standard for 1.0, I don’t care if a ship remains broken from now until then.
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u/PerturbedHero 1d ago
Uh yeah, it does for those who own the ships? I bought a ship and I expect it to be playable at a gold standard level. I didn’t buy it for it to be playable in a decade when 1.0 releases.
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u/3andrew 1d ago
Cool story but that’s not how things work. They couldn’t possibly meet your expectation for every single ship for every single patch.
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u/till180 1d ago
You seriously think that a developer making sure things the sell actually continue to function is "not how things work"?
Just wow, it always amazes me just how willing some people are to be CIGs simp.
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u/3andrew 1d ago
You’re replying as if we’re not talking about a game in active alpha development. If this was a discussion post 1.0, your point would be valid. Function and gold standard (as the person I replied to stated) are two entirely different things. All ships currently function, even those not touched in years so relax kiddo.
That said, the game is in alpha and things break. I don’t expect them to drop what they are doing to make sure every ship is gold standard perfect 100% of the time. That would be a huge waste of resources and time. I would much rather them finish this game ASAP and if that means breaking stuff in the process only to be fixed by 1.0, so be it. I don’t care what you’ve spent on ships and how you feel entitled that your ship should receive a gold standard pass every patch. If you can’t handle things not working for prolonged periods of time, then buying into an alpha was the wrong decision on your part.
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u/Forsaken_Ad_9960 1d ago
They said the same for the auroa nothing new they call “interesting ways”
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u/Cee_U_Next_Tuesday 1d ago
In laymen terms “fuck you buy it again”
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u/Gedrot 1d ago
It's fine imo. A couple people got salty in the past when ever ships got these massive hull changing updates and had to use the new one. Some people would no doubt still prefer the original Cutlass over what we have now, since it was a smaller ship with a bed and toilet but with somewhat similar capabilities as the current Cutlass, just with much less wasted space on the inside.
And if CIG actually hold onto their promise of keeping "classic ships" at gold standard, we're effectively getting two ships instead of just one.
I get why people want free upgrades but anyone who expects CIG to give away vehicles for free probably just hasn't been around long enough to know that that absolutely never happens under any circumstances.
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u/sokos 1d ago
The problem is the iF there is not much gas left in the tank on the trust side as many things have been said that didn't materialize.
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u/Gedrot 1d ago
Jup. Been here since 2012. I know. I also know about the many broken promises. But keeping legacy variants of ships functional in the game might actually be one of the few things that were promised and at least kept on a surface level. I think it was in a TFTCM question, as we expected something like this to happen early on already.
Other online games do stuff like this already to stay afloat. I'm long past the point of deluding myself that CIG could run things differently. SC simply inflated too much for that to possibly happen anymore.
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u/derped_osean 1d ago
Aren't we supposed to be able to build fighters down the line? Cause I could see people making "used car lots" to sell ships not available in the in-game shops.
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u/Tedward1337 1d ago
So the Aurora Mk1 I bought, and the F7C-S Hornet Ghost are now both unavailable now, but I’m expected to believe that they will keep working on these ships? Cool, excellent, very fun choices, RSI
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
Can you read? They didnt say right now theyre gonna update the old ships. The game isnt even done yet
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u/BrilliantMelodic1658 1d ago
Will come to retired ships the same as any other.
But DO NOT ASK WHEN.
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u/Bossnage give us a functioning game 1d ago
literally just empty words
they said the same for the aurora and hornet mk1
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u/Ayden_Prime avacado 1d ago
Both of which you can still buy in game and have recieved updates since being retired?
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u/Ayden_Prime avacado 1d ago
Ohhh shit, that's on me guys, I forgot they pulled the aurora and swapped it. coulda swore you could still get the mk1 hornet though, I'm wrong, my bad. hornet itself has recieved adjustments to it's flight controls since it's been retired though, and the aurora just retired.
My bad. you right. it's not back in the game yet.
edits: spelling.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
Literally an empty comment those ships are still supported and sold in game
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u/Ayden_Prime avacado 1d ago
Nah, they aren't sold in game. I was wrong about that too.
Hornet has been adjusted and is still supported. aurora hasn't needed and update since it's gold standard, so you can make an argument both for and against it being support, neither would be correct until a buig report for it comes and shows it is or isn't though
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u/CassiusFaux That one rare Hawk pilot 1d ago
Hows the Hornet doing these days?
It got those same gold standard updates and general fixes they said it would?
I bet you'll never guess the answer.
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u/NoVacationDude new user/low karma 1d ago
To be fair, no hornet, not even the mk2, has the gold standard.
But the state of the old hornets is a warcrime 😢
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u/CassiusFaux That one rare Hawk pilot 1d ago
Yeah the Mk IIs are miserable as well right now. Absolute joke how the Mk I and II were handled.
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u/D4wnstorm new user/low karma 1d ago
When's the last f7 mk1 update?
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u/MundaneBerry2961 1d ago
Sad hornet noises.
It's hard to believe you CIG when you never actually do what you say
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u/Troll4ever31 misc 1d ago
For me the question is when? We really need a stop gap way to earn these missing ships before they flesh this out in the future. I don't like that there is absolutely no way to get your hands on a F7C MK1 or Aurora MK1 right now.
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u/PyroSmurf MISC | Red Warden 1d ago
Too bad they are removing it from the pledge store.
I love the look of the old one and would never consider looking at the Centaurus. Looks like the Perseus I guess, but should not be considered a Constellation.
Still love the giant bars on the windows. 😆
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u/BastianHawk 1d ago
Perhaps if CIG wasn't using "retierment" and "sunsetting" but simply stated that once a ship got its "gold standard pass" it will be removed from the pledge store and can only be aquiered in-game hence forward.
But these ships still recieve ALL needed reworks and updates for upcoming SCV 1.0 game loops / mechanics.
Thus gold pass = ship can only be bought in-game but is kept uptodate for all coming / future game needs.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
Thats exactly what theyre saying tho. They've gold passed other ships that are still on the pledge store too
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u/wolflordval 1d ago
I don't care what they say, I care about what they do. And what they're doing is not what they've said here.
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u/BastianHawk 1d ago
As I pointed out - they are using "retirement" and "sun setting" which is commonly interpreted as - "Game Over!" or "They are not coming to work anymore" and "their high day is over". When in fact that is NOT the case. These ships only get removed from the pledge store after their "gold pass". While CIG intend to say the same they way they are using is infers - these ships a dead weight now.
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u/drizzt_x Monk 1d ago
This would make a lot more sense if they hadn't also been pulling the Mk I ships from sale in-game, making them impossible to acquire in any way.
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u/RicoZaid 1d ago
And the older ships will be weaker than what you can buy.
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u/JalasKelm new user/low karma 1d ago
To be fair, there should be a bunch of ships in the verse that are underpowered or outdated, just like there are old cars and vans on the road
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago
Which is a false statement, because "the current state of tech and features" includes things like suit lockers, of which the Aurora Mark I has been updated with none of.
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u/donkula232323 anvil 1d ago
Why would the aurora get suit lockers?
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago
Why does Mark 2 has them?
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u/donkula232323 anvil 1d ago
Newer design that actually has space for it. The older design does not.
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago
Oh, I didn't know game assets were set in stone. Shame that they can't just change the asset to fit them. You know, like they changed things in the past to fit new features?
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u/donkula232323 anvil 1d ago
They were working with what the aurora already had. No room for suit lockers. Maybe stop acting so entitled.
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago
Entitled to a starter package on parity with the start of the game? Why yes, I should be.
Maybe you need to stop being a doormat to companies screwing you over.
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u/donkula232323 anvil 1d ago
You aren't entitled to have every feature in every ship. Are we going to now have to give a suit locker to every ship including the fighters?
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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago
CIG thinks the Mark 2 Aurora needs it, so of course the Aurora needs it.
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u/donkula232323 anvil 1d ago
You aren't entitled to have every feature in every ship. Are we going to now have to give a suit locker to every ship including the fighters?
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
Idek what this means. The aurora mk1 never had nor was supposed to have a suit locker to begin with... suit lockers aren't even functional yet
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u/HeartlessSora1234 11h ago
They said not every ship will have armor lockers the last time they talked about them.
Something like.. "If the ship has it now it will have it in the future"
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u/No-Cherry9538 1d ago
None of this was really my problem, the resources going on to remakes of existing ships instead of filling out gaps in what's available, gaping holes in manufacturer lines or you know, ships that have been in the pipeline for Years is what has been my issue with this new 'replacement mk' stuff
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u/rxmp4ge Who needs a cargo grid? 1d ago
They're obviously working on many ships at once. It's not like it took the entire art team to work on a ship we didn't even know was coming, while also simultaneously working on the Kraken and Liberator and Galaxy and who knows what other unannounced things...
Pretty much everything in the backlog that can be pushed out has been pushed out. And this is coming from an Odyssey owner. Yeah I want my Odyssey but I also want it to come out functional. So I can wait for the functionality.
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u/OkLoquat898 1d ago
This. The overwhelming majority of the remaining concept ships are waiting on some kind of tech from another team.
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u/Kind_Comfortable_647 1d ago
To an extend I agree, but they have to do something while the other teams make content to actually give the other ships purpose.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
We dont really know what theyre doing. Could be different teams, they could've been working on the mk5 for years. Seems they are filling out the backlog pretty rapidly these days. There are only a few concepts left that aren't actively being worked on or slated for release already
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u/rxmp4ge Who needs a cargo grid? 1d ago
I think it's gotten to the point where they can crank them out pretty quickly once they have the assets and design philosophy down. You get a handful of guys working on something like this full-time with an asset collection at their fingertips and a design philosophy to go off of and I don't think it'd take very long.
They pretty much have the full RSI asset collection done for both military and civilian, so yeah I imagine this came into being pretty quickly all things considered.
I love it. I was never a Constellation fan but I really like this. SOMETHING is getting CCU'd. the price decides what's on the block.
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u/Collective_Keen Galaxy Soon™ 1d ago
Same. Never liked the old ones, but I like the Mk V. I'm expecting it to cost a bit more than the Mk IV series. I'd be fine with the rumored Aquila being $400, because then it should be Warbond for $360 and I can upgrade my Asgard for $10 and keep my Zeus ES as my daily. lol
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u/rxmp4ge Who needs a cargo grid? 1d ago
If it's up that high my Hull-B will get the axe, along with a handy dandy 20% off coupon. I've never even flown my Hull-B so I won't be particularly sad to see it go. It's either going to be the Hermes, the Starlancer or the Hull-B.
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u/Collective_Keen Galaxy Soon™ 1d ago
I was going to melt my Asgard and use the credit on my Zeus, but hopefully it's priced higher than the Asgard and I don't lose my only medium ship.
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u/NitroChance89 1d ago
Can you still melt the connie mkIV for in-store credit after its been removed from the store?
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u/rawthorm 1d ago
This is not the reassurance they think it is. Either they are talking out of their ass, or they’ve just hung themselves with a huge amount of ongoing support for a product they won’t make further money from.
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u/Shadowarcher630 1d ago
That would be reassuring if it didn't mean you'll likely lose the ship forever next patch, or the next intentional wipe they do to try and manipulate us towards the pledge store, unless you spend over $200 on a ship that was most players first major in-game ship goal because it was fairly cheap and super versatile. Lord knows the Mk. V Polaris Jr. is gonna cost at least $100 more in the pledge store compared to the Taurus. I'm thinking the greedy jerks will put it somewhere between the Starlancer and the Perseus; judging by size, armament, and cargo capacity
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u/meatymimic 1d ago
People saying they deserve a free upgrade, or both ships coming in like:
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u/Skuggihestur rsi 1d ago
Idk.why poeple think that when its not the same ship. In some cases its an downgrade
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u/Ace2020boyd Explorer 1d ago
I don't want a free upgrade the ship just needs a 10%-20% increase in size.
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u/elliotborst 1d ago
Does the gold standard mark 4 have LAMP for example?
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
No but neither does the mkV
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u/elliotborst 1d ago
Yeah so then we know there will be more updates to the gold standard ships
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u/-WARisTHEanswer- Drake 1d ago
Believing this BS like they will ever touch these ships again is hilarious...
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u/LetterheadFluffy4828 1d ago
Lesen scheint in der Community echt ein Problem zu sein....
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u/BalkorWolf Arbiter 1d ago
It's made up by people's ability to overreact to the first rumour they see or hear and treat it as absolute fact.
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u/Seal-pup santokyai 1d ago
Worth pointing out that, at least with the Mk1 Hornets and Auroras, NPC's still use them. So legitimate salvage and 'legitimate salvage' are options to acquire them.
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u/TadaMomo 1d ago
got forever, huh?
knowing CIG, they will have a special sale for connie MK 4 saying "came back form the dead, 1 month only,get yours now or never"
Then following year will be "Connie strike back! get yours now or never!
you guys sure don't understand CIG enough.
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u/bleo_evox93 1d ago
dude i just want functionality across the board. WHEN DO WE HAVE TO POOP AND STUFF, I WANNA USE MY SINK, I WANT MY FRIDGE TO BE FUNCTIONAL AND NOT JUST A PICTURE OF CHAMPAGNE.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
Agreed! I wanna poop! T1 poop physics when??
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u/tunafun 1d ago
Tap F to push it out.
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u/kungfu01 1d ago
T2 crowning animation incoming
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u/Irontaoist Meteor | F7A Mk II | ICA | Stinger | M80 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/tmw7rIOshuFbYRcCEm
Don't forget this little gem.
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u/ACR96 Spirit E1 | Starlancer Max 1d ago
As long as we can buy them in game and not have to go through idiot systems like Wikelo, I don’t mind. Classic ship showrooms also sound really cool, although knowing CIG, that’ll be years away