r/crafts • u/AMVilla86 • Aug 10 '26

Let's talk about Harry Potter

… and other problematic IP

Hi folks,

We need your input. The mods have been discussing for a bit now about crafts with complicated Intellectual Property creators. Occasionally a craft will receive reports due to the theme of the craft and not about crafting itself. While we try to be as open-minded as possible, and we follow sitewide rules (such as no hate speech targeting identity or vulnerability, etc), there is still some nuance with moderating these types of posts. These posts have raised many questions, but we realized we needed to ask the community what they thought. If the community is uncomfortable with something, we want to know and be sure to moderate appropriately.

Some of the ideas we had so far, and why they would be tough to implement:

- Ban specific IP→ Where do we draw the line of what is and isn’t allowed?

- Create specific flair for ‘problematic’ → again, where is the line drawn?

- When a post receives enough reports about the theme and not the craft, leave a high-level moderator comment explaining how to block a user and/or hide a post → might be ignoring a problem rather than solving the issue for the sub.

With that being said, there’s only so much we can police. We want crafters to feel welcome, but with all the moderating we do, it would be hard to add on a layer of “educate a crafter on why the creator of this IP is bad” on top of our normal roles. We also don’t want our subreddit to become a lightning rod for debate. Ultimately, we are a crafts subreddit. While a few comments about inspiration of a craft is allowed, and questioning of said inspiration is also welcome, once we're many comments deep in multiple comment threads with no mention of crafting, it is no longer an appropriate conversation for r/crafts. There are many other subreddits for discussion and debate where you can converse.

So, what do you all think we should do with these types of posts? If we receive a large variety of ideas, we'll put it together in a survey or poll to further gauge how the subreddit feels. Also, feel free to message the mods if you're uncomfortable commenting on the post.

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u/Calm-Counter7510 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

I am very against HP and definitely roll my eyes when I see anyone "celebrating" it through merch etc, since a cut of that goes into JKRs pocket. However, crafting something is actually not giving any money to JKR, so is I guess is one of the most harmless HP related things someone could do?

That aside - I don't think the mods should be trying to ban/police posts making crafts in relation to specific problematic fandoms. That would feel very weird and I could also see it going downhill very quickly. 

I think the high level moderator comment idea would make the most sense. Aa a casual browser of this sub, and one who does have strong political views at that, I don't think much past that is needed? Its a crafts sub, about making crafts. Policing the subject matter of a craft seems really unnecessary

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u/Concept_Check Aug 10 '26

This is my opinion on this as well. The moderator top comment could also serve as the spot for commenters to explain why that IP is problematic. Educate people and hope for change in the future.

Like, I’m someone who grew up loving HP and it’s been a difficult road to cutting it from my life in meaningful ways. I understand why it’s hard for others. I would rather have them post and learn than be banned from posting it.

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u/AMVilla86 Aug 10 '26

I like your idea of having a spot where comments could explain the issues, and then people have a discussion there rather than throughout the whole thread.

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u/____ozma Aug 10 '26

They could use the same stickied comment to do that as the one with instructions to hide/block, like they do with unsolicited advice in Girl Dinner Diaries. 

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u/oceansapart333 Aug 10 '26

Exactly the sub I was thinking of.

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u/bioticspacewizard Aug 11 '26

My issue with this is that if comments are left open with only a siloed thread to call out transphobia and bigotry, then the visible discussion still platforms support.

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u/CheesecakeExpress Aug 11 '26

The stickied mod comment explaining its problematic content would be visible.

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u/bioticspacewizard Aug 11 '26

It still means the messages of support drown out any valid criticism.

Platforming the IP does material harm to trans people. I think people should be allowed to call that out.

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u/CheesecakeExpress Aug 11 '26

I don’t think it would drown it out, I’m in the girldinnersub and they do something similar when an op doesn’t want advice, and it works really well. It is big and blaring at the top and would highlight the issue clearly. It would be a big indicator this is problematic.

I appreciate your point of view completely. I guess for me, I think it’s really tricky for mods to be the ones who decide what can/can’t be discussed. Where do they draw the line? What if something posted something in support of Palestine or Ukraine?

There are other trans people on this thread who disagree with you (in that they think a pinned comment would be ok( so how do the mods decide which view to take? At least a mod comment means consistency which I think is the least problematic way to move forward

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u/settingdogstar Aug 10 '26

Oh no…I mean he wasn’t as bad as JK but boy oh boy do I have some news for you lol

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u/tonicella_lineata Aug 10 '26

The problem with JKR is not her views alone. The problem is the way she uses her cultural, political, and economic influence right now to push those views, and the harm she causes right now while doing so. Gene Roddenberry was no saint, but he also is not currently harming anybody. Nor has the IP owner (Paramount) explicitly stated that support of Star Trek is tantamount to support for Roddenberry's worst views, the way JKR has for Harry Potter.

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u/settingdogstar Aug 10 '26

Yall don’t gotta preach all the time. I’m aware, that’s why I said “not as bad”

Try reading over playingg keyboard warrior mansplainer

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u/tonicella_lineata Aug 10 '26

I mean, they're not even really on the same scale, though? The person you were responding to said if he was doing "the same thing." And he very much did not.

It's not "preaching" to point out differences in scale of harm. If someone doesn't want to watch Star Trek (or Coraline, or Pulp Fiction, etc. etc.) because of personal feelings about the creator's actions, that's totally fair! But engaging in those things is not actively contributing to ongoing harm in the same way, because those creators are not currently using the cultural sway granted by their IP to create a massive political platform, with the explicit intent of further disenfranchising an entire marginalized group. And treating them like they're remotely equivalent is a huge part of the problem, because JKR relies on people railing against "cancel culture" as part of how she keeps her massive audience.

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u/GenericWhyteMale Aug 11 '26

What did Coraline’s creator do? I love that movie and book

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u/tonicella_lineata Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

Gaiman was accused last year of sexually assaulting and grooming several women. The (multiple) lawsuits over it were dismissed, and he insists it was a smear campaign, but one of the victims worked with a journalist to do a pretty major report on it, and several of the details matched to other people's stories and things like that. Plus I know at least one of the lawsuits was mostly dismissed on the basis of jurisdiction, since it was filed in the US (I believe due to where Gaiman was living at the time?) but the assaults in question happened in New Zealand.

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u/GenericWhyteMale Aug 11 '26

Ugh that’s awful. I’m glad I got the physical copy a long time ago, fuck supporting him

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u/settingdogstar Aug 11 '26

And I said he wasnt as bad. I don’t treat them as equivalent. Yall are so annoying with your incessant need to see the worst in people’s comments. Insufferable.

Again, try reading what people say not what you want to hear.

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u/middle_age_zombie Aug 10 '26

That’s the problem, some of the worst people make the best stuff. Or they are great in one area, but suck in another. I have an issue with JKR and I did not grow up with HP so it isn’t a big deal to no longer give her money. But, I did Star Trek TNG and you will pry my love for ST from my cold dead hands.

Sometimes the thing that people love will go way beyond the person that created it. I don’t fault anyone for still loving their fandom, it might have gotten them through hard times and it’s hard to let go. We all have to make our own choices, I can think of plenty of things that people love that I find the creators behind appalling.

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u/carlitospig Aug 11 '26

There was a hand made card in /cards not too long ago that was a hand drawn Rocky from Project Hail Mary and they did SUCH an incredible job that I’d be really sad to disallow them to post should we ever find out Andy Weir is a super problematic TERF or fascist apologist or whatever.

Edit: sorry I don’t think I was being very clear. It’s a totally different sub but I would lean on allowing IP, as long as it doesn’t get the sub banned or sued or whatever.

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u/MadQueenAlanna Aug 11 '26

It doesn’t give her money but it keeps her relevant, and JK has said specifically, a few years back on Twitter, that she takes every single person repping HP merch as someone who agrees with her, be that a Ravenclaw scarf or presumably a metric ton of HP cross stitch samplers. That isn’t to say mods should ban it, but the author herself believes everyone who still displays HP memorabilia is tacitly approving her beliefs and actions. Just something I wish people would keep in mind

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u/obtusewisdom Aug 11 '26

She also believes a lot of crap things, so maybe what she believes isn’t really relevant.

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u/MadQueenAlanna Aug 11 '26

Unfortunately she’s got enough money and influence that I don’t really have the luxury of not caring about what she’s doing. I have to settle for not liking, respecting, or supporting her or her work

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u/Without-a-tracy Aug 10 '26

I'm on the exact same page.

I'm trans and autistic. Joanne  targeted people like me in her manifesto. I know that me, specifically, the human being that I am, is hated by her. 

But Harry Potter had a place in my life for many years, and it continues to have a place in many other people's lives.

I don't see people using the same logic when it comes to Disney- a company that was started by a literal Nazi supporter. Disney still has an important place in my life, despite the fact that the creator would be rolling in his grave if he knew about my existence. 

I believe pretty strongly in Death of the Author- once the work is out in the world, it belongs to the world, and anything that author/creator wants from it is irrelevant. 

I understand the qualm people have with financially supporting JKR, and I also avoid doing that myself, but it's at the point where the difference between a multi-multi-multi millionaire and a multi-multi-multi-multi millionaire is negligible in the grand scheme of things. 

Our world is on fire (both literally and figuratively). I'm down to let people get their joy where they can for the most part. 

And it shouldn't be up to the mod to police what kind of content people are posting, so long as the content itself isn't actively harmful to anyone. (Ie- a drawing of Cthulu or a HP scarf is not the same as a tee shirt that says "God hates trans people" or some bullshit nonsense like that.)

But that's just one guy's opinion 🤷‍♂️

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u/CheshireRaptor Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

I agree with your larger point about being able to enjoy an IP without endorsing everything associated with its creator, but I do want to correct one thing: Calling Walt Disney a "literal Nazi supporter." goes further than the available historical evidence supports. That's a claim that gets repeated a lot online, but the historical evidence doesn't support it.

He absolutely deserves criticism for a number of things, and he did meet with Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl in 1938, which is rightfully controversial. But there's no solid evidence that he supported Hitler or Nazi ideology, and claims that he attended German American Bund meetings have never been substantiated.

Disney's documented politics were strongly conservative and intensely anti-communist, and his involvement with HUAC is very well established. His studio also spent WWII producing anti-Nazi propaganda and military films for the U.S. government, including Der Fuehrer's Face.

So there's plenty of legitimate criticism to make of Walt Disney without turning "he met with a Nazi propagandist" into "he was a literal Nazi supporter." History is messy enough without making it messier. 😅

Ironically, I think this actually illustrates the problem the mods are talking about: once we start labeling entire IPs based on the politics or behavior of their creators, we're going to have to decide which claims are established facts, which are disputed, and how many decades of a company's history we're holding a crafter responsible for.

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u/AssortedArctic Aug 10 '26

Also the money paid to Disney isn't going directly into supporting nazi shit

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u/bakasama12 Aug 11 '26

Unfortunately it is though, Disney is supporting zionism which is the nazi shit of our time

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u/CheshireRaptor Aug 11 '26

There are two factual/rhetorical problems worth separating.

Disney did announce $2 million in humanitarian assistance after October 7: $1 million went to Magen David Adom, Israel's emergency medical/blood service and an affiliate of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies; another $1 million went to other nonprofits working in the region, particularly organizations helping children. People can absolutely criticize Disney's relationship with Israel or characterize the company as supporting Zionism. But describing that as Disney funding “the Nazi shit of our time” is an ideological assertion, not a factual description of where that money went.

And I think this exchange perfectly demonstrates the problem with trying to moderate crafts based on whether an IP is considered "problematic."

We started with whether Harry Potter crafts belong in r/crafts, moved to whether Walt Disney supported Nazis, and have now arrived at whether Zionism is comparable to Nazism.

None of this has anything to do with crafting anymore.

People are going to have very different political, ethical and historical views about creators and companies. Trying to determine which of those views should decide whether someone is allowed to post a quilt, painting, crochet project or bedazzled DVD seems like an impossible—and frankly unnecessary—job to give the moderators of a crafts subreddit.

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u/AssortedArctic Aug 11 '26

Those are some crazy wild leaps there

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u/bakasama12 Aug 11 '26

It's true. Check out the no thanks app. Disney is on the boycott list

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u/Ixi1223 Aug 10 '26

"Our world is on fire (both literally and figuratively). I'm down to let people get their joy where they can for the most part. " Thank you for words describing things so perfectly.

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u/AdmirableRespect9 Aug 11 '26

Reddit, and especially very generic subreddits, need to be open and accepting onramps where people can develop themselves and their ideas. Each crafter that comes here deserves the respect of their lived experience and the joy of their creation. Mods should provide question models so people can find out a good phrasing to ask if the creator is open to discussing/ learning more about the intersections of complex issues. But too many people craft through loss, trauma, struggle....middle school. I don't want this subreddit's concerns with complexity being the reason someone doesn't create or joyfully post and I don't want an 82 year old woman posting a Wizard of Oz craft to be bombarded with the thoughts of the author instead of talking about the delightful red glitter on the shoes. Mods should also suggest forums for IP free crafts. But the science says that extended empathetic discussion is the way forward from/out of intolerance. So that's what the Mods should cultivate and nothing more.

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u/orange-shoe Aug 11 '26 edited Aug 11 '26

you can't just say death of the author like that actually means anything in practice. if people are giving her financial support that DOES matter as she uses it to directly fund anti-trans organizations. you are not transfem so idk why you are acting like you get to be the Trans Person Of Authority when transfems have already spoken about how damaging supporting jkr is

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u/PiperIsAwake Aug 11 '26

Death of the Author only works when they're not using their money for harm. It's one thing when they're just a shitty person. Joanne is actively using her money to hurt people. She has political pull. The HP IP isn't going away anytime soon because people won't give it up. There is no active Death of the Author when it comes to her. She isn't separate from the IP. She is using the money brought in from the books, games, play, shows, movies, everything, to fund her hatred.

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u/searchforstix Aug 11 '26

That’s irrelevant to people crafting items and pirating her work which is the subject at hand here. You guys want death to the book and not just death to the author. That’s not going to happen.

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u/nichelicorn Aug 11 '26

Thanks for bringing up the Death of the Author, and your overall take on this thread

At this point in time, the creative input for ongoing HP merch, books, stories, theme parks, etc, seems to be largely out of the hands of the TERF that shall not be named. She started something wonderful, and like many before her, morphed into a monster beyond what the collective HP fandom could have anticipated

She may have been this way all along, but something in the stories tells me that she was changed along the way. Or perhaps this is my own hope. In any case, I can’t wait to learn her true villain origin story. Could be worth a series of its own. Written by someone else, obviously 

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u/orange-shoe Aug 11 '26

the stories were already racist and antisemitic before she became a huge terf. and it doesn't matter if the creative part of the IP isn't in her hands because she is still making a TON of money from it.

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u/Mindelan Aug 11 '26

Her villain origin story seems to be that out of fear she has displaced trauma from a male partner that abused her, and then the blowback against her doing that was severe enough that she double and tripled down and became a ghoul.

In her mind now, somehow, trans women are paving the way for men like the cis man that abused her to harm women. She refuses to learn how that is wrong. She is vehemently convinced her path is righteous.

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u/constantchaosclay Aug 10 '26

Death of the author requires the death part. If the author is still alive, that's just supporting them.

JK is not only still alive, but an open activist who announces that she will use this platform and money she receives to help make the world more dangerous for Trans people.

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u/hungrypierogi Aug 10 '26

Death of the author, as a concept, has nothing to do with the author being literally dead or alive.

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u/searchforstix Aug 11 '26

I completely agree. Nb here who grew up with the books/franchise as they were being released. We can’t go around banning just one problematic author - we have to then ban them all and people need to understand just how problematic most of the creators and producers of their franchises actually are. There are an abundance of Disney, Star Wars, lord of the rings, etc. fans who do this.

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u/hanimal16 Aug 10 '26

I agree. I am not a fan of HP (just not my style), and I also don’t like JKR as a person. HOWEVER, blanket banning something like that seems a bit much.

If someone posts an HP craft, I scroll past. Scrolling past is not equal to complacency for what JKR has said/done, but we genuinely cannot police everyone and expect everyone to have the same feeling on it.

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u/Due_Leadership_5249 Aug 10 '26

Whole heartedly agree with this. I saw the "Someone using Harry Potter Print fabric to create something where money ..." example above, and if you want to be that nit-picky about it, then why stop at Harry Potter printed fabric? What about the fabric itself? Where was it sourced and made? What were the ages and working conditions of employees? Someone's Nike shoe in the shot? uh oh...

There's no end to it. Yeah, Rowling is an awful human being in my opinion. You don't have to like, look at, or interact with that craft or the person posting it - that's a personal decision you can make. Just keep scrolling.

Mod sticky for sure

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u/obtusewisdom Aug 11 '26

This reminds me of The Good Place, when they were trying to figure out how to live without harm and ended up realizing the complexity of interwoven ethics.

Crafting something doesn’t put money in JKR’s pockets to do evil deeds. If someone finds joy in it, great. If someone doesn’t like even seeing it, scroll past. It doesn’t necessitate extra modding or, frankly, long lectures (though that will inevitably happen).

FWIW I asked a couple trans friends, and their response was, “Bro, I got bigger fish to fry than someone’s homemade mittens.”

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u/contrabasse Aug 10 '26

I agree. I also think that there is nothing wrong if you are one of the many people who grew up with this series in your childhood. A bunch of people have read and reread this series because it is literally a magical escape. A boy whose life is terrible is all of a sudden told that he is the most special person on the planet.

We can remember our childhoods and the media that influenced us fondly while also acknowledging that the creator of this media is terrible. I personally don't associate or engage with the series anymore but I know people who were way more into it in their childhood and it isn't really fair to tell them that they have to erase what they enjoyed in their formative years. I know people that HP was their very first "chapter book" and they would read a chapter a night with their parents before bed.

Will I be giving money to anything HP related? Absolutely not. But I am never going to forget the birthday parties with friends or staying up extra late to take quizzes to see what house we are in, or making OCs, or talking about ships.

If we are going to be hardcore about this then I want to see the same emotion directed at Disney.

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u/Luna-P-Holmes Aug 10 '26

It was not even my first chapter book, it was completely my first book. For some reason I refused to learn to read but I probably must have remember what I was taught because I end up reading Harry Potter when they started speaking of a movie and my parent told me I wouldn't be allowed to see the movie if I didn't read the book. Also some of my friends where talking about it and I wanted to know every details not just what they told me.

I was between 6 and 7 years old which is the usual school year where we really learn to read in my country, I just started reading later in the school year than what is usual. And we go pretty fast to chapter book once we read alone usually just shorter ones than Harry Potter so it's not as weird as it might sound for people used to different teaching methods.

I have great memories about midnight released of the books and movies. Memories of discussing the books with friends and trying to imagine what would happen next.

I now make sure not to buy official products so that she doesn't get money from it but I will buy illegal merch. I'm a knitter and I've made Harry Potter things, I buy hand dyed yarn with colors and names based on Harry Potter. I even plan to paint the Hogwarts skyline on my balcony wall.

Rowling will not get my money anymore, but I also won't let her steal some of my most happy memories, I won't let her stain the books I still read when I don't feel well. Yes I'm an adult and probably shouldn't be so attached to children books but is how it is and I'm comfortable with the situation as long as I don't give her my money.

They where studies that show children who grew up with Harry Potter tend to be more accepting of difference than other of their generation, that they tend to be more tolerant, more about helping each other... I didn't really care when those studies where first released and never felt the need to look more into it but if they where accurate Harry Potter is actually the reason why so many people of this generation are against Rowling, she taught us to disagree with her.

I don't think censoring art/craft is the way to fight against this. And it would be almost impossible to determine what's acceptable or not, Rowling is very vocal about her beliefs and has lots of money to support awful things so it's easy to see the issue. But lots of writers, producers, actors, musicians... have done, said or financed awful things, should they all be baned? or only the ones with enough money or popularity to meaningfully act on their beliefs? and what about those that are accused of things but not legally recognised guilty yet?

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u/SufficientPath666 Aug 10 '26

As a trans guy who is also against the idea of giving Joanne Rowling more money, I agree

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u/lorlorlor666 Aug 10 '26

As a certified Trans I’m on board with this

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u/skreeth Aug 10 '26

Couldn’t agree more. Seems like the kind of thing that downvotes can handle. If I don’t like it, I can downvote (and/or block) and move on.

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u/g1zz1e Aug 10 '26

Nothing to add at all, u/Calm-Counter7510 said everything I would have said.

I struggle with the HP thing because it was a big part of my adolescence, plus I have friends who are still super into it despite the issues with JKR. I've come to the conclusion that everyone is free to make their own choice about it, and I'm not going to steal others' joy if they want to participate in the fandom.

Would it be too inconvenient to tag certain IP/make it clear the post contains it, so folks can avoid it if they want? I'm not sure how that would work, but it'd make it easier to just scroll on by.

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u/Jan4th3Sm0l Aug 11 '26

Same here.

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u/vomit-gold Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

I'd much rather it have a tag that I can block.

The high level comment does nothing imo. I know how to block and hide posts. The point is I don't really want to see it to begin with, so hiding the solution in the comments that's basically just 'here's how to block' doesn't feel like it addresses anything or helps anyone tbh.

Edit: if you're going to downvote at least explain why or start a discussion please. I'm open to other options that aren't just 'deal with it'.

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u/plausibleturtle Aug 10 '26

Is that a feature available on reddit? I'm unaware of the ability to remove certain flaired posts.

Flairs for posts are there to filter to content as I understand it.

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u/xxoxox33 Aug 11 '26

I don't think that is a feature available, at least as far as I am aware. If someone could tell me it is and how to do it, I have some flairs on other subs I'd love to block lmao

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u/AMVilla86 Aug 10 '26

I think my issue with a tag is deciding who gets said tag. Sure, JKR should. Should someone that's posting a Coraline doll they made get it too? Gaiman's alive and doing bad things in the world. Not to the extent that JKR is, thankfully, but he's still harmful. If we were to create a tag like this, how do we decide the creators that deserve to be tagged with it?

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u/Euphoric_Waffle Aug 10 '26

We shouldn’t; It’s an administrative nightmare and slippery slope to customize censorship so specifically. We must evaluate the craft, not its lore/backstory/unpopular opinion.
Unpopular opinion is not a strong foundation to invoke censorship.

https://www.reddit.com/r/crafts/s/t9s4iN8gAq

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u/vomit-gold Aug 10 '26

I think that would be the follow up question to pose to the community.

If the flair is established, the next step would probably be asking people to name which fandoms they consider problematic (and why) and choose the top 10/15 based on the top up-voted comments.

That would be a good start, leaving it up to public opinion.

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u/Destrae Aug 10 '26

You want a tag for every problematic fandom?

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u/bubblesaurus Aug 10 '26

what fandom doesn’t have it’s problems, whether its the fans, the content, or the creator?

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u/Destrae Aug 11 '26

Exactly, I completely agree. Things like Good Omens weren't an issue a free years ago. The landscape of fandom changes too fast to police

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u/contrabasse Aug 10 '26

I bet this person isn't nearly as militant about avoiding Disney.

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u/obtusewisdom Aug 11 '26

That sounds like a nightmare, and honestly a crazy way to fragment a community. I guess I just don’t understand why people can’t just scroll past stuff they don’t like.

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u/vomit-gold Aug 10 '26

The only thing I really want is a solution that maximizes my ability to chose.

Whether or not that's a tag or some other option, I'm pretty open. If you have any recommendations, I'd be happy to hear.

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u/Mindelan Aug 10 '26

If you browse on desktop, you can use Reddit Enhancement Suite to block posts with certain words from appearing entirely. If you put in Harry Potter, Hogwarts, the house names and such you could likely wipe out 95% of all Rowling and Hogwarts content that comes across your feed.

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u/Sadwitchsea Aug 11 '26

I agree. Plus what if someone wants to make craft/art taking the piss? I haven't watched a HP film for decades since they were always on TV at Christmas but I do enjoy creators laughing at them

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u/giraffemoo Aug 10 '26

These are my thoughts too. The information is out there, it's been out there for a long time. The people who care, care, and the people who don't, don't. There isn't much that could happen that would change any of that.

And yes, making crafts doesn't give money to the terf anyway.