r/PoursTea • Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 25d ago

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u/idontlikeanyofyou 25d ago

I mean Dianne Feinstein had no business being in the Senate for at least her final term. 

Hanging on too long and not passing the baton is a bipartisan issue. 

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u/Internal-Plantain-56 25d ago

<GLANCES ANGRILY AT RUTH BADER GINSBURG’S GHOST>

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u/DuckiesKhaki 25d ago

RBG not retiring under Obama because ✨ she had to have girl power ✨ literal resulted in so much of the trash we deal with today.

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u/Tatidanidean1 21d ago

Yes and this is one of a few reasons I can’t celebrate that woman. This decision literally has had catastrophic reverberations

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u/ophmaster_reed 21d ago

There is argument that if she had stepped down under Obama they (republicans) would have just blocked his SCOTUS pick just like they did when Scalia died.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

I agree, but she was never this bad. She didn't have people telling her who to vote for, and her own party was the one urging her to leave office. She also stepped down from all of her boards and responsibilities when she started mentally declining. Her situation is not the same as this. Keeping people in the dark, controlling how Mitch votes, and doing all the sketchy things required to avoid a special election when he's clearly a shell with no mind up there at all. He can't even form words.

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u/Kairamek 25d ago

Yes they did. She was directed how to vote by aides, just the same. I remember it specifically because in my line of work we block someone's account when we see exactly this behavior from people around the elderly.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

You miss where she was actively giving her speech about her support for the bill. She didn't vote one way then was told to change, like McConnell did the other day. She already showed multiple times and said what she was going to vote for. She was just told it's time to vote, not time for speeches

Please go back and read the whole conversation between me and this guy before you start having your meltdown 🤦

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u/Purple-Maize4243 25d ago

Agree to disagree with the level of severity with Feistein vs. McConnell. They both hit the minimum requirements of someone who should be removed from office on the basis of their cognitive ability. I think my issue and along with u/idontlikeanyofyou is how both parties are guilty of keeping those in power when it's reaching to the point of elder abuse. Regardless if the democratic party is telling her to step down and she's still refusing at the ripe age of 90, it's shining a light to how both parties will still protect those in power even if their cognitive ability is gone.

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u/atomic_broton 25d ago

You seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of the words you’re using. “They both hit the minimum requirements” ≠ the severity is the same.

Additionally, “Regardless if the Democratic Party is telling her to step down… how both parties will still protect those in power….” You literally acknowledge the evidence against your conclusion in the same sentence.

No one is saying that Democrats don’t have issues and aren’t too old. What they are saying is that the double-standard is evident from Republicans because the SEVERITY is different. Enlightened Centrists are calling..

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u/Mind-Game 25d ago

It's so crazy to me how often people on here say stuff like that that doesn't actual make logical sense while trying to process an argument or disagreement.

The issues are hard and complex, but the fact that we can't even all understand the basic logic we need to talk about them is terrifying.

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u/atomic_broton 25d ago

Literally mid-sentence contradictions, it’s baffling to think what’s even going on in their heads. We are in the midst of a literacy backslide rarely seen before. And coupled with technology eradicating critical thinking skills, I don’t see an optimistic future for the next few decades.

Feels intentional, we’re seeing what a post-truth society does to people

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u/Ill_Technician3936 25d ago

We are in the midst of a literacy backslide rarely seen before.

I'm pretty sure that already happened. The closest thing to it is in the far past with areas changing languages to fit the new rulers of where they lived.

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u/Traditional_Mood6856 25d ago

What is the minimum requirement

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u/atomic_broton 25d ago

I dunno, wasn’t my claim. My point is meeting the minimum ≠ same severity

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u/Adezar 25d ago

Part of the issue around Feinstein is we don't really have a good system to eject someone from congress non-consensually. There were many people asking her to step down, and her voters voted her back in even after she should have been replaced.

Nobody is even asking Mitch to step down from his party and they act like just asking whether or not he was dead or alive was rude and inappropriate when he had disappeared for weeks, and they are literally telling him how to vote.

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u/Curious-Antelope6171 25d ago

I think she was. One more than one occasion she had to be told how to vote.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

I think you're recalling when she started giving her speech instead of voting. From what I can find on Google, she was told it's time to vote not give speeches. McConnell voted no, then was told to change to yes. Not exactly the same. Either way, McConnell should not be in office at all at this point and Reps are doing everything they can to prevent that. Dems actively did the opposite and tried to get Dianne to resign. Many times.

Let's also not forget that Lindsay Graham's sister is currently serving in his seat instead of following proper protocol to find a new person to fill that spot. Just further evidence of Reps breaking the law for their own corruption

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup 🫖 25d ago

Crazy how Lindsay Graham’s sister could take over without it being a national scandal or people saying they should follow protocol. But when there wasn’t enough time for a proper primary and campaign to be ran and the (checks notes) Vice President of the U.S. ran for office, she was attacked for being unqualified.

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u/Curious-Antelope6171 25d ago

July 27, 2023, in a committee she was told, just say aye. I agree with you, any senator who clearly is struggling, shouldn't be sitting in their seat like this.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

Again, she was giving a speech about how she supports the bill. She was clearly going to say yes. And, it's right there, she was giving a speech. She was coherent enough to form sentences and recite a planned speech. McConnell can't even form words right now. Not quite the same. He has no idea what universe he's even in right now.

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u/Old-Entertainer-4964 25d ago

If you cannot agree that Feinstein needed to go, then you aren't being objective with your criticism. Both parties run ancient establishment politicans. We need term limits for Senators and Representatives. And both parties need to run reasonably aged candidates for President, not men in their 80s.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

Can you not read? I literally said both of them should have been taken out, but their situations are much different. Feinstein could still give speeches and form sentences by the time she left office. McConnell can't even form words. I even explained how Democrats were the ones calling for their own coworker to leave office. Republicans are not doing that. They're doing everything they can to keep their puppets in office. Mr. Hollow shell here, and Lindsey Graham's sister illegally taking his seat in office. Not the same.

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u/OrganicHistorian2576 25d ago

The both side era refuse to admit that the situations were somewhat different. Yeah, she should have retired years before she did. So should he.

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u/Old-Entertainer-4964 25d ago

One side is clearly worse. The Republicans. Everyone knows that. But I cannot take dems seriously when they try to defend their own ancient centrist politicans.

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u/Old-Entertainer-4964 25d ago

People with Alzheimer's slip in and out of coherence. Feinstein was completely and utterly lost at times.

I'm more left leaning than Feinstein was and think McConnell should've been forced to retire a long time ago. This isn't about partisanship. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

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u/SLeonaTA 22d ago

Are you being willfully obtuse? No one is saying she shouldn’t have stepped down.

We’re saying they aren’t the same even a little. I have to wonder if you’re being objective, because you seem to want to hold onto the pretzel ass logic that they’re the same.

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u/Old-Entertainer-4964 21d ago

This isn't about defending the conservatives. They have nothing worth defending. It's about pointing out the hypocrisy of criticizing one side, while defending your own. I'm left leaning enough to point out the hypocrisy of the centrist establishment dems.

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u/Curious-Antelope6171 25d ago

I agree it's a problem. He probably is worse off than she was. Neither should have stayed as long as they did/have.

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u/UltraFind 25d ago

Your instinct to defend the Democrat when it was one degree less severe than a Republican comes across as incredibly partisan, and is an argument that really doesn't have a point.

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u/FlounderKind8267 25d ago

Dude I'm explaining how the situations are similar but not the same, but desire the same outcome and you're over here crying about it. I even showed how each party reacted to one of their own being like this. Idk what to tell you 🤷

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u/WonderBredOfficial 25d ago

"The fact that there is a obvious, measurable difference between the two is lame and dumb!"

Just because you don't like the point doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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u/UltraFind 25d ago

My point is that the distinction itself is meaningless.

Which 90 year old senator has been more of a derelict of duty? Is a question that serves no purpose and is meaningless to attempt to answer unless you're on reddit trying to look 'right'.

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u/WonderBredOfficial 25d ago

"Attempt to answer" as if we don't have meticulous records of what Senators do in Congress. "Trying to look 'right'" I think you mean just being right. Lmao. But, sure, facts are pointless. All points you don't like are pointless, actually.

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u/youknow99 25d ago

But when we do it it's (D)ifferent.... Both cases should not have ever been allowed. Term limits and forced retirement age for Congress.

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u/Curious-Antelope6171 25d ago

I don't think anyone is saying that here

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u/youknow99 25d ago

They guy you're responding to is doing exactly that. All of his comments are "Feistein was never as bad". The problem isn't which one is worse, it's that both are inexcusable.

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u/Curious-Antelope6171 25d ago

Ah gotcha. I agree it's bad all around.

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u/Electronic-Row-3554 25d ago

This tends to be why there is mistrust on the Right side towards the blatant trust Dems have of those in power within their party. The slogan for me was always Question Authority. But, spin has been invaluable, and the Darkness vs. The Light trope has long held out on the internet. Republicans bad, very bad. Democrats good! Work for the people. Can do no harm.

Shit has worked really well. And, on many levels, the fact that Democrats are actually better at making laws and policies that are for the people makes it an understandable point of view, but to say everyone in the party is altruistic would be a naive mindset.

Question authority. Regardless the era. Always. And I hate saying it, but sometimes I think the show House of Cards on Netflix really showed a lot of how the lawmaking side of things seemingly gets done in D.C. regarding Majority and Minority Leader Whips in the House and Senate.

There is a lot of talk of Hakeem Jeffries being a crony capitalist like all the rest. And I do hear some disparaging remarks from progressives about his voting tendencies. But not a whole heck of a lot.

And after rereading this I can tell my coffee is working.

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u/SLeonaTA 22d ago

The problem is, the same as forcing age limits for driving. We can’t. But that’s why we require retesting at certain ages for driving. We should be requiring that for congress people too. Like sorry once you reach a certain age, you need to meet cognitive requirements to continue serving.

Because there’s Feinstein and McConnell, and then there’s Bernie Sanders who still seems quick as a whip.

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u/youknow99 21d ago

We absolutely can, they do it to pilots.

Bernie hasn't declined, he was just as crazy in the 80's. The exception doesn't disprove the rule though.

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u/Jealous-Report4286 25d ago

Yeah, they did this exact same thing multiple times. Senators don’t care what party you are when it comes to dying in office. They also didn’t care Bob Mendez was walking around with gold bars in his pockets.

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u/SippsMccree 25d ago

Oh yes she did, she had quite advanced dementia towards the end there. Its gross conduct all around

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u/GodisanAtheistOG 25d ago

In some ways she was worse, because the Senate was a 51/49 split (47 Dems with 4 independents caucusing with them) Dem agenda literally had to wait on her in several instances because she was constantly out on medical leave and Dems couldn't afford her absence the way Republicans can afford McConnell's absence right now (53 R vs 47 D).

If Dems had a solid majority the way R's do right now they wouldn't have gotten on her case the same way R's are in no rush to get on McConnell's case.

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u/Fuckthegopers 25d ago edited 25d ago

I'm so fucking sick of the "but both sides" bullshit rhetoric that I see on reddit constantly.

Is either party perfect? No, of course not. But only one party is actively destroying this country day after day.

Edit: if your problem with politicians is their age, say that. Don't make it a partisan thing.

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u/KarmabearKG 21d ago

I keep telling these fucks that I never saw a Democrat go on live television and argue that any state/states (NY/NJ) should not get funding to help clean up after a disaster (Hurricane Sandy) fuck republicans. Born and raised NYer every republican can SMD

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u/idontlikeanyofyou 25d ago

I hate the both siders too. Dems have their problems, but destroying the country to protect a pedophile is not one of them. 

That said, this issue is something that both parties really are guilty of in spades. 

Feinstein  RBG Maxine Waters  Jim Clyburn Joe Biden

Not saying all older folks are incapable of serving, but it's generally a bad thing to have a government so much older than the people they're representing. 

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u/SLeonaTA 22d ago

Ok, but people called for most of those people to step down. Other congresspeople were urging Feinstein to step down. Dems had to vote for Kamala out of no where because Dems said no Biden isn’t fit, which, honestly, compared to fucking Donald, he was definitely more fit. People called for RBG to step down while Obama was in. So… no one (in that party) is calling for McConnell to step down.

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u/Positive-Emotion-745 21d ago

Both side do suck though. Are you not allowed to think all politicians are corrupt on both sides

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u/Fuckthegopers 21d ago

Because the two are not equal, and nowhere close to being equal, and making it seem so is disingenuous and a large reason of why we're here now.

The current state of america would not be what it is if people voted Democrat. Full stop. So no, both sides are not the same, you should cut it out with that bullshit.

Literally replying with a "but both sides" yet with no actual input or facts.

Here's what I'd like for you to do: find me a single piece of legislation from the last 20 years that was passed by a majority R government that benefits the common man. Just one is all I'm asking for.

I'll find you plenty from Democrats, we will go one for one.

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u/True_Protection6842 25d ago

She never had any business being in the Senate. She was so dumb she nearly let one of the most brutal serial killers walk.

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u/Kind-Shallot3603 25d ago

Not to mention the confederate flag issue

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u/adudefromaspot 25d ago

and the finger on the trigger

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u/Honest-Abe2677 25d ago

That was wrong too. And most dems would agree. The problem is, if dems always do the right, polite thing and leave a supreme court nomination on the table or vote out old Congressmen and risk their seats, they will always be at a disadvantage against a party with cutthroat tactics, no ethical constraints, and no repercussions for illegal behavior.

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u/missinginput 25d ago

What does that have to do with the point you are replying to about the hypocrisy of laws being selectively enforced?

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u/Fuckthegopers 25d ago

Nothing, they just want to shoehorn a "but both sides" bullshit opinion.

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u/missinginput 25d ago

Damn well if it's both sides I should just skip voting or even vote Republican /s

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u/Neat_Task_6664 25d ago

Correct. And tons of Dems were calling on her to resign, just like tons of Dems called on Biden to drop out.

Both sides being capable of propping up dinosaurs doesn't mean they both do it equally as often. In fact, it's not even remotely close.