r/EndeavourOS • u/Grey_Ten • 25d ago
Discussion why would you use EndevourOS instead of vanilla Arch? [serious question]
I just want to be aware of its features and the reasons behind your choices :)
thanks in advance and have a good day!
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u/SuAlfons 25d ago
Arch was annoying to setup with preexisting partitions.
EndeavourOS was dead easy. Plus it comes with yay preconfigured. Also I liked it's pink and violet theming. EndeavourOS forums are helpful.
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u/SuAlfons 25d ago
The motivation to use Arch or Arch-derivate in the first place:
When Ryzen 3600 was new, you wanted the very latest kernels. It just barely ran with the kernels the other distro shipped, the P-states for power levels were still in development, AMD CPU were known to waste energy and run hot in idle. I swapped out my RX5600 GPU for a RX6750 a year later - and then again, you wanted the very latest kernel and Mesa for it for similar reasons. (just because AMD drivers come with the kernel does not mean they are always good and untouchable)
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u/talibalulum 22d ago
i use endeavour but like doesnt archinstall exist?
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u/SuAlfons 22d ago
using calamares still is easier. Graphical selection of which partition goes where, which is to be formated and which to be left alone. Then EndeavourOS comes with GIT and yay preinstalled. I liked both, the Plasma and the Gnome desktop.
If I leave Fedora (which is a PITA to install with my needs), I'll gladly reach for EndeavourOS again.
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u/RangeMachine 22d ago
i dont understand that annoyance, you literally can install it without archinstall in 15 minutes. just cfdisk, pacstap what you need, create user reboot boom you there.
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u/SuAlfons 21d ago
it's just much easier to do in a GUI partition editor embedded into the Calamares installer. It's not annoying in the sense of "I get agressive and kill'em all!!!". It was an exaggerated way of saying "EndeavourOS is more convenient".
When you first setup a BTRFS on an NVME system, that dual-boots Windows and grandfathers the /home and /WinData (NTFS) partitions from separate SATA-SSDs, it's just intimidating to do that even with the support of the archinstall script.
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u/Chronic_Stupidity 25d ago
It's preconfigured, simple to set up, and works great. It's arch at the end of the day, so you can configure it to how you want it after the fact, or leave it as it comes.
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u/TT9972 25d ago
EOS has a lot of the QOL stuff preinstalled. Not tweaks like QOL. Like updating mirrors after running yay/pacman -Syu, reboot reminder after kernel updates, wifi/firewall ready to go etc. Makes it a lot more accessible for new linux users to get into arch.
Vanilla arch is just your sandbox. Is fresh and ready for anything you want.
I could be wrong on a few things but from memory, EOS is just ready to go after install and you can just start using it. Vs arch after the initial you still have to config a bunch of things.
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u/quartermaster_Finn 24d ago
Just bluetooth has to be configured on EOS out of box due to security sandboxing implications
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u/totallyjaded 25d ago
The same reason I buy beer instead of making my own.
Sure, I know how to brew beer. I've done it before. I'll do it again. But when I just want beer, it's faster to buy it from a store or brewery.
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u/RodeoGoatz 25d ago edited 24d ago
It's pre-configured with things I'm most likely going to do anyways like firewall, yay, Firefox, pipewire while having a simple installer and not being as opinionated as something like CachyOS (no hate on Cachy)
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u/pomcomic 25d ago
Very simple and fast to set up, close to vanilla Arch with very little bloat and sane defaults.
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u/Tempest-13 25d ago
It has enough features prefigured to get you working fast, and minimal enough to avoid being as opinionated as CachyOS, for example.
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u/cuentanro3 25d ago
I like the bleeding-edge aspect of Arch but I'm intimidated by its installation, so EndeavourOS is the best next thing for a not-so experienced user who wants the benefits of bleeding edge without the struggle to get there. I also use Fedora on my workstation, but I think Endeavour satistfies what I need for our multi-purpose machine.
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u/rickmccombs 25d ago
Endeavor takes care of grub config. I started using Linux back when lilo was the boot manager and it was before UEFI. I have installed arch and ended up with a system that won't boot. Right now I'm running FreeBSD.
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u/zardvark 25d ago
I used Arch when I needed / wanted a fully custom (manual) installation and I used Endeavour when I didn't.
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u/evh5150ni 25d ago
I don't have to spend time fixing the stuff that needs fixed on Arch (in my use case).
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u/sumguypookie 25d ago
Arch can be a bit of a pain to set up, EndeavourOS takes a lot of that intimidation out of Arch to make it as user-friendly as any other distro, be it Ubuntu or Linux Mint.
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u/LateStageNerd 25d ago
Including all my machines including several laptops sitting in every room I frequent, I have six installs to do when I hop distros. I think I've learned (and forgotten) how to set the timezone from the CLI quite enough, thank you. The EOS install is quite slick, saves time, and its simplicity ensures the install only needs done once (i.e., no typos or overlooked tedious steps easily blow an install). The EOS forums are helpful and useful both absolutely and especially in comparison.
Since EOS is "almost" vanilla Arch, you get all the value of Arch and none of its hazing (or the attitudes of some of self-congratulating "conquerors" of its antiquated hurdles). My question is the reverse; why does anyone use Arch directly?
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u/spryfigure 25d ago
Some configurations just can't be done with E-OS and you need Arch for that.
(Running systems with both here)
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u/LateStageNerd 24d ago
Thanks for pointing out my overstatement. It is absolutely true that for ZFS on root, or replacing systemd, or anything similarly pervasive, Arch would be quite preferable. But for the typical mainstream user with modern, adequate gear, EndeavourOS offers a quite similarly behaving system and the aforementioned advantages.
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u/Independent_Waltz725 25d ago
For me it was just because of the installer and some nice preconfigurations that saved me some work
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u/Public-Island8382 25d ago
EndeavourOS has essential wifi drivers for devices with Marvell wifi chips. (Ex. Surface laptops)
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u/deekamus 25d ago
Arch was a fun exercise and taught me what I wanted/needed in a distro.
I wanted Arch power and capability, but with a basic installer so I don't have to go "raw and naked" every install. Also, yay preinstalled is a plus for me.
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u/glass073 KDE Plasma 25d ago
because it dont make me crash out every 30 minutes or so with something that i broke, as a beginner i wanted something more easy and with access to the aur, its really good
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u/Liinuxero 25d ago
La instalación con arch install suele ser sencilla, pero calamares lo es aun más, endevour os cuando lo probé tenía muchas ventajas, una de ellas es que me permitía con un simple comando hacer funcionar mi sistema juntos à otro teniendo el tpm activo de hecho es una distro que recomendaría usar nunca le encontré nada malo.
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u/elijuicyjones 25d ago
EOS does everything I have to do with a fresh install anyway and doesn’t go much further. It’s ideal if you ask me.
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u/CostalCaster KDE Plasma 25d ago
Coming over from using Arch with SteamOS on a Steam Deck - I tried modding a Laptop with ChromeOS and 32 GB of Storage (Added 128 GB Micro SD Card) and 4 GB of RAM. With a bit of tinkering, I had as system with double RAM, Storage and feels and works like a Light Steam Deck. It's beautiful in that regards
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u/CostalCaster KDE Plasma 25d ago
Endeavoros is light, easy to install, still very much DIY but easy to take on and adapt to overall
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u/Mediocre-Pumpkin6522 25d ago
The default Endeavor KDE install has most of what I would install anyway. The thrill of doing everything on the CLI wore off for me about 30 years ago. yay is a nice bonus as is the welcome screen.
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u/Objective-Cry-6700 25d ago
As others have said, EOS just works OOB. Everything configured and working. It was my intro into real Arch and while I now mainly run Arch+Niri+DankMaterialShell, I still love EOS for KDE Plasma installs.
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u/jeroenim0 25d ago
Because I'm lazy... and I have no need to flex the "oh by the way"
But I do love the Arch wiki, it's just the best..
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u/Bruceplanet 25d ago
Because it's easy to install and looks nice. Arch can be a pain to install and set up.
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u/therealmistersister 25d ago
"The Arch Way" is a waste of time after the first time. I wan't to install the system with a few clicks, go grab a coffee and have the system ready to work.
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u/lendarker 24d ago edited 24d ago
tldr: it's comfortable. It's preconfigured with lots of sensible defaults, and quick to install.
When I first looked at arch, I did a manuall install on a separate ssd, liked it, then installed Antergos on my main drive. Antergos is no more, so after removing the antergos repositories, what's left is just Arch on my main computer, but my laptop ran EndeavourOS flawlessly, including Fn controls, touchscreen and gestures (until the hardware broke), and if I ever reinstall, it's most likely my first choice for my desktop as well.
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u/YousureWannaknow 24d ago
It's a bit harder to break than Arch (still not stable release, but that's what you are aware of when you get in) and... Have bigger compatibility out of box than Arch... That's all.. Tho, I now transferred to MiniOS, because EOS doesn't support my current "all task notebook" 🤣
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u/Silent_Jpg22 24d ago
It was the community for me. Way more pleasant, and in its way more enthusiastic than the vanilla arch community. I love playing around with configs, but at the end of the day I need my system to work and EOS achieves this in a dead simple way. Plus purple boats are goated.
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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 24d ago
Easy to install. Stuff generally just works together .
Not picky . Like they basically want KDE and every thing else dose not matter .
I went with catchyos just cause they include most of the Asus Linux org has made .
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u/AlgaeFluid8860 24d ago
For me first time i tried an arch based was EOS and given the stability i never ever had a reason to switch to plain arch
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