r/EndeavourOS • • 25d ago

Discussion why would you use EndevourOS instead of vanilla Arch? [serious question]

I just want to be aware of its features and the reasons behind your choices :)

thanks in advance and have a good day!

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u/SuAlfons 25d ago

Arch was annoying to setup with preexisting partitions.

EndeavourOS was dead easy. Plus it comes with yay preconfigured. Also I liked it's pink and violet theming. EndeavourOS forums are helpful.

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u/ErnestT_bass 25d ago

This is the awnser

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u/rickmccombs 25d ago

I remember that for a long time I kept the same home partition.

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u/SuAlfons 25d ago

The motivation to use Arch or Arch-derivate in the first place:

When Ryzen 3600 was new, you wanted the very latest kernels. It just barely ran with the kernels the other distro shipped, the P-states for power levels were still in development, AMD CPU were known to waste energy and run hot in idle. I swapped out my RX5600 GPU for a RX6750 a year later - and then again, you wanted the very latest kernel and Mesa for it for similar reasons. (just because AMD drivers come with the kernel does not mean they are always good and untouchable)

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u/talibalulum 22d ago

i use endeavour but like doesnt archinstall exist?

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u/SuAlfons 22d ago

using calamares still is easier. Graphical selection of which partition goes where, which is to be formated and which to be left alone. Then EndeavourOS comes with GIT and yay preinstalled. I liked both, the Plasma and the Gnome desktop.

If I leave Fedora (which is a PITA to install with my needs), I'll gladly reach for EndeavourOS again.

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u/RangeMachine 22d ago

i dont understand that annoyance, you literally can install it without archinstall in 15 minutes. just cfdisk, pacstap what you need, create user reboot boom you there.

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u/SuAlfons 21d ago

it's just much easier to do in a GUI partition editor embedded into the Calamares installer. It's not annoying in the sense of "I get agressive and kill'em all!!!". It was an exaggerated way of saying "EndeavourOS is more convenient".

When you first setup a BTRFS on an NVME system, that dual-boots Windows and grandfathers the /home and /WinData (NTFS) partitions from separate SATA-SSDs, it's just intimidating to do that even with the support of the archinstall script.

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u/Chronic_Stupidity 25d ago

It's preconfigured, simple to set up, and works great. It's arch at the end of the day, so you can configure it to how you want it after the fact, or leave it as it comes.

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u/TT9972 25d ago

EOS has a lot of the QOL stuff preinstalled. Not tweaks like QOL. Like updating mirrors after running yay/pacman -Syu, reboot reminder after kernel updates, wifi/firewall ready to go etc. Makes it a lot more accessible for new linux users to get into arch.

Vanilla arch is just your sandbox. Is fresh and ready for anything you want.

I could be wrong on a few things but from memory, EOS is just ready to go after install and you can just start using it. Vs arch after the initial you still have to config a bunch of things.

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u/quartermaster_Finn 24d ago

Just bluetooth has to be configured on EOS out of box due to security sandboxing implications

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u/SuAlfons 22d ago

yes, and some exceptions have to be placed int to desktop firewall running.

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u/totallyjaded 25d ago

The same reason I buy beer instead of making my own.

Sure, I know how to brew beer. I've done it before. I'll do it again. But when I just want beer, it's faster to buy it from a store or brewery.

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u/C2O4 25d ago

The best answer in the galaxy, haha

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u/RodeoGoatz 25d ago edited 24d ago

It's pre-configured with things I'm most likely going to do anyways like firewall, yay, Firefox, pipewire while having a simple installer and not being as opinionated as something like CachyOS (no hate on Cachy)

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u/armanmax11 Tiling WM 25d ago

For me simple installer with no bloat bs

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u/pomcomic 25d ago

Very simple and fast to set up, close to vanilla Arch with very little bloat and sane defaults.

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u/RikkoFrikko 25d ago

I'm too lazy to configure vanilla Arch and I like the purple colors

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u/Tempest-13 25d ago

It has enough features prefigured to get you working fast, and minimal enough to avoid being as opinionated as CachyOS, for example.

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u/countjj 25d ago

AUR comes preinstalled, easy install, preconfigured and well supported

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u/cuentanro3 25d ago

I like the bleeding-edge aspect of Arch but I'm intimidated by its installation, so EndeavourOS is the best next thing for a not-so experienced user who wants the benefits of bleeding edge without the struggle to get there. I also use Fedora on my workstation, but I think Endeavour satistfies what I need for our multi-purpose machine.

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u/rickmccombs 25d ago

Endeavor takes care of grub config. I started using Linux back when lilo was the boot manager and it was before UEFI. I have installed arch and ended up with a system that won't boot. Right now I'm running FreeBSD.

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u/BUDA20 25d ago

better installer with good defaults for most people, a live desktop if you need to fix things having a browser etc is a lot better, to test things, to watch a Fullscreen video, to test that everything works, without even installing.

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u/zardvark 25d ago

I used Arch when I needed / wanted a fully custom (manual) installation and I used Endeavour when I didn't.

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u/evh5150ni 25d ago

I don't have to spend time fixing the stuff that needs fixed on Arch (in my use case).

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u/sumguypookie 25d ago

Arch can be a bit of a pain to set up, EndeavourOS takes a lot of that intimidation out of Arch to make it as user-friendly as any other distro, be it Ubuntu or Linux Mint.

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u/felipefranciscocwb 25d ago

Because EOS does everything I would loose time doing by hand...

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u/blbil 25d ago

Lazy as shit. Good enough and works

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u/LateStageNerd 25d ago

Including all my machines including several laptops sitting in every room I frequent, I have six installs to do when I hop distros. I think I've learned (and forgotten) how to set the timezone from the CLI quite enough, thank you. The EOS install is quite slick, saves time, and its simplicity ensures the install only needs done once (i.e., no typos or overlooked tedious steps easily blow an install). The EOS forums are helpful and useful both absolutely and especially in comparison.

Since EOS is "almost" vanilla Arch, you get all the value of Arch and none of its hazing (or the attitudes of some of self-congratulating "conquerors" of its antiquated hurdles). My question is the reverse; why does anyone use Arch directly?

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u/spryfigure 25d ago

Some configurations just can't be done with E-OS and you need Arch for that.

(Running systems with both here)

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u/LateStageNerd 24d ago

Thanks for pointing out my overstatement. It is absolutely true that for ZFS on root, or replacing systemd, or anything similarly pervasive, Arch would be quite preferable. But for the typical mainstream user with modern, adequate gear, EndeavourOS offers a quite similarly behaving system and the aforementioned advantages.

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u/Independent_Waltz725 25d ago

For me it was just because of the installer and some nice preconfigurations that saved me some work

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u/Public-Island8382 25d ago

EndeavourOS has essential wifi drivers for devices with Marvell wifi chips. (Ex. Surface laptops)

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u/deekamus 25d ago

Arch was a fun exercise and taught me what I wanted/needed in a distro.

I wanted Arch power and capability, but with a basic installer so I don't have to go "raw and naked" every install. Also, yay preinstalled is a plus for me.

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u/glass073 KDE Plasma 25d ago

because it dont make me crash out every 30 minutes or so with something that i broke, as a beginner i wanted something more easy and with access to the aur, its really good

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u/heyblackrose 25d ago

I don't have time to configure arch myself dude

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u/Liinuxero 25d ago

La instalación con arch install suele ser sencilla, pero calamares lo es aun más, endevour os cuando lo probé tenía muchas ventajas, una de ellas es que me permitía con un simple comando hacer funcionar mi sistema juntos à otro teniendo el tpm activo de hecho es una distro que recomendaría usar nunca le encontré nada malo.

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u/elijuicyjones 25d ago

EOS does everything I have to do with a fresh install anyway and doesn’t go much further. It’s ideal if you ask me.

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u/C2O4 25d ago

Because you migrated to EndeavourOS from Mint, and it's not possible for a Mint user to switch directly to Arch

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u/CostalCaster KDE Plasma 25d ago

Coming over from using Arch with SteamOS on a Steam Deck - I tried modding a Laptop with ChromeOS and 32 GB of Storage (Added 128 GB Micro SD Card) and 4 GB of RAM. With a bit of tinkering, I had as system with double RAM, Storage and feels and works like a Light Steam Deck. It's beautiful in that regards

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u/CostalCaster KDE Plasma 25d ago

Endeavoros is light, easy to install, still very much DIY but easy to take on and adapt to overall

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u/Lonely-Scarcity-3387 25d ago

You value your time.

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u/ilkhan2016 25d ago

Super easy to install. Otherwise it's basically the same thing.

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u/Mediocre-Pumpkin6522 25d ago

The default Endeavor KDE install has most of what I would install anyway. The thrill of doing everything on the CLI wore off for me about 30 years ago. yay is a nice bonus as is the welcome screen.

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u/Objective-Cry-6700 25d ago

As others have said, EOS just works OOB. Everything configured and working. It was my intro into real Arch and while I now mainly run Arch+Niri+DankMaterialShell, I still love EOS for KDE Plasma installs.

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u/danderzei i3wm 25d ago

Convenience

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u/jeroenim0 25d ago

Because I'm lazy... and I have no need to flex the "oh by the way"

But I do love the Arch wiki, it's just the best..

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u/Bruceplanet 25d ago

Because it's easy to install and looks nice. Arch can be a pain to install and set up.

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u/Deap-Prophet-6865 25d ago

I liked it that's why used it.

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u/therealmistersister 25d ago

"The Arch Way" is a waste of time after the first time. I wan't to install the system with a few clicks, go grab a coffee and have the system ready to work.

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u/lendarker 24d ago edited 24d ago

tldr: it's comfortable. It's preconfigured with lots of sensible defaults, and quick to install.

When I first looked at arch, I did a manuall install on a separate ssd, liked it, then installed Antergos on my main drive. Antergos is no more, so after removing the antergos repositories, what's left is just Arch on my main computer, but my laptop ran EndeavourOS flawlessly, including Fn controls, touchscreen and gestures (until the hardware broke), and if I ever reinstall, it's most likely my first choice for my desktop as well.

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u/YousureWannaknow 24d ago

It's a bit harder to break than Arch (still not stable release, but that's what you are aware of when you get in) and... Have bigger compatibility out of box than Arch... That's all.. Tho, I now transferred to MiniOS, because EOS doesn't support my current "all task notebook" 🤣

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u/Silent_Jpg22 24d ago

It was the community for me. Way more pleasant, and in its way more enthusiastic than the vanilla arch community. I love playing around with configs, but at the end of the day I need my system to work and EOS achieves this in a dead simple way. Plus purple boats are goated.

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u/OpabiniaRegalis320 24d ago

Purple. And the default pacman conf has ILoveCandy enabled.

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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 24d ago

Easy to install. Stuff generally just works together .
Not picky . Like they basically want KDE and every thing else dose not matter .

I went with catchyos just cause they include most of the Asus Linux org has made .

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u/AlgaeFluid8860 24d ago

For me first time i tried an arch based was EOS and given the stability i never ever had a reason to switch to plain arch

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u/JCDescy 24d ago

Came for the great install and the cool look. Stayed for the awesome community.

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u/Suspicious-News-5420 24d ago

Liked the Design and decided to give it a shot

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u/MintyFresh314 KDE Plasma 24d ago

The installation.

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u/HappyHerwi 24d ago

convenience.

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u/tuxalator 24d ago

I like Arch, but I'm also lazy.

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u/steve_o314 23d ago

To get going with Arch faster

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u/freemorgerr 20d ago

calamares. when i want to install os, i want to do it quick

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u/elstavon 25d ago

Calamares