r/EndeavourOS • u/AgilaSiomai • Sep 10 '26
Discussion What makes EndeavourOS better than Manjaro? I heard EndeavourOS doesn't perform security/bug check like Manjaro does before release
I'm on Manjaro and there's frequent issues with mirror responses being too slow and I can't update sometimes.
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u/AgilaSiomai Sep 10 '26
But isn't this holding back thing good in terms of reliability and safety? Because Manjaro tests it first before they release it to the general users?
Whereas EndeavourOS, you get the latest release at the same time as arch. Won't this slightly be risky in case some bugs or viruses aren't detected when it's first released? Doesn't Manjaro catch it better?
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u/BroadSignificance774 Sep 10 '26
The problem here is you are assuming that holding back packages and the testing produce "stability and safety" and while in some cases that may be true, even Debian the "rock solid grandfather" has stability/compatibility problems because the packages are way too old.
I'm no linux expert but I've dabbled enough as a normal user to tell you: all linux distros have issues, some more or less depending and it dependa on what you need from the OS. There's not a "best distro". You can do literally anything on any distro if you're willing to learn and spend the time (and headaches for the most part). The distro that does what YOU need best is the best one for you.
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u/DiscoMilk Sep 10 '26
EndeavourOS knows how to run a website, Manjaro frequently forgets to keep their security certificates up to date.
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u/Oxxy_moron Sep 10 '26
This, Manjaro kept shooting themselves in the foot, repeatedly. I moved when I had enough.
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u/ImpliedMustache Sep 10 '26
I love EOS, don't get me wrong, but they literally just last week had to completely rebuild the website because a WP plugin they use (I think?) got compromised and the URL redirected to a scam website.
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u/_Sauer_ Sep 10 '26
Which is just bonkers give its trivial to automate. They even use Let's Encrypt which has tooling and documentation that walks you through setting up automated renewals.
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u/TheSlateGray XFCE Sep 10 '26
"Security/bug check" really just means they let the up to date distros run the packages first while holding back the updates. They can't even set up automatic SSL renewal.
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u/AgilaSiomai Sep 10 '26
Doesn't it provide benefits? Because what if the latest updates had bugs or even viruses. Then wouldn't Manjaro internal testing community catch it and fix it before they release it for general users of Manjaro?
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u/TheSlateGray XFCE Sep 10 '26
Manjaro uses (and ddoses) the same AUR that had the security incidents this year. The mainline packages are done by Arch maintainers, and I've only had issues with Grub out of all packages in my 6 years of Arch and Arcolinux. I switched to Endevouros when Arcolinux ended, and it doesn't use Grub by default.
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u/zardvark Sep 10 '26
Endeavour releases are more in step with Arch, so you can use the AUR without worry.
If you attempt to use the AUR with Manjaro, you will likely run into problems at some point.
Also, the Endeavour devs are very sharp and seem to have a lot more on the ball. That said, I haven't used Manjaro in more than five years so things may have (hopefully) improved in this respect.
Frankly, with all of the issues with the AUR, DDOS attacks and other shenanigans these days, I have lost trust in the Arch infrastructure and, sadly, moved on. I still have nothing bad to say about either Arch, or Endeavour, but I had too many problems with Manjaro.
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u/bassamanator Sep 10 '26
I used manjaro for 10+ years before swithing to eos ~2 years ago.
manjaro holds a big place in my heart, but I'll just go ahead and say that I'm not going back.
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u/omfgcow Sep 10 '26
Manjaro does not do testing; they just delay packages from Arch upstream. This is bad if a package has an actual security update you need. Use point-release like Fedora, Mint, etc if stability is a concern for you, since you will still receive security updates . Those are better than Manjaro.
EOS is just Arch with some additional pre-configurations to make initial install easier. Arch still tests and screens software before pushing updates. Not to the extent of Fedora, Debian, and other well-funded point release distros. You are fine using Arch derivatives (other than Manjaro or no-names, ask in distro suggestion subreddits if you are unsure) if you are willing to go to Arch's website and read up on what Arch is and isn't. Many experienced Linux users find rolling-release more predictable and simpler for their desktop use-cases, compared to point-release.
Do not request support on their forums if using Arch derivative like EOS. Derivatives have their own forums.
The associated AUR does not guarantee this. This is where potential viruses actualized in the news this year. Don't use AUR until you are more familiar with Linux usage and best practices.
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u/inverimus Sep 10 '26
The main difference is Manjaro has its own repos instead of using the arch repos. This mainly causes issues with the AUR. If you avoid AUR completely you probably won't notice much other than being a month or so behind arch on updates.
I don't think they really do anything extra other than waiting for others to see if there are any problems.
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u/Saltkrakan01 Sep 10 '26
I used Manjaro for about three years. It broke several times during an update and manual resolving of dependency hells were quite often. Then I install Arch, used it for a few years, about 2 - 3 and haven't any issue. Then I "upgrade" my system - basically, just case, power supply and some harddrives stayed same and I was lazy and haven't much time to fiddle with Arch, so I install EOS, which I previously put on my wife's PC, when she need linux. I'm happy for 3-4 years since then.
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u/ImpliedMustache Sep 10 '26
A few problems I see with Manjaro:
Holding back updates like they do causes just as many if not more problems than it solves. It's especially bad if you use the AUR (one of the main draws of Arch-based distros) as they can break if they rely on a new update that hasn't made it into the Manjaro repos.
There are some pretty significant problems within Manjaro's leadership/organization, leading to issues like the website certs constantly breaking. It signifies the project is poorly run and managed, which could lead to even larger problems in the future. Basically I just don't trust the Manjaro team to do what's best for my computer.
I love EOS because it's incredibly close to Arch (a great distro), just with a few minor QOL changes that make it easier to maintain. The few pieces of software that come pre-installed are basically auto-includes - reflector, yay, etc. Plus when yay updates, the update is in the EOS repos, making it easy to update rather than having to manually do it like with stock Arch.
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u/iknowrealtv Sep 10 '26
Before all these mainstream Arch Linux distro came about I was trying it all. EndevarousOS is like the first one that really clicked and jammed with me. I wanted to like Manjaro but there is always problems I thought Arch Linux itself was unstable as a result of my Experience with Manjaro. I agree with a lot of people who say that EndeavaourOS is arch with a graphical interface. Just run your updates and you'll be fine. I have since switched to Arch Vanilla but I'm more comfortable now customizing every single thing to my exact liking. But before that EndeavaourOS always treated me good.
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u/frankFerg1616 Sep 10 '26 edited Sep 10 '26
Whenever the mirror responses get slow, it usually can be resolved by updating the mirror list:
sudo pacman-mirrors --fasttrack
That said, there was some recent infighting within the manjaro group, which makes me less confident in the future of Manjaro. I ended up deciding to switch to EndeavourOS, which seems like it will be less likely to break if the development team were to ever dissolve as it's essentially Arch Linux while Manjaro is it's own thing on top of Arch.
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u/AgilaSiomai Sep 10 '26
Even doing fasttrack command doesn't work sometimes. Is this issue specific to Manjaro distro and doesn't occur on EndeavourOS?
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u/frankFerg1616 Sep 10 '26
I just recently switched to EndeavourOS about 2 weeks ago. I would say it hasn't been long enough to know how often the mirror list can get borked. But so far updating (sudo pacman -Syu) hasn't been an issue. Fast and easy every time.
I just now learned that the pacman-mirrors is a manjaro specific package, so it's not a thing on EndeavourOS. Though there's a similar thing, reflector, which I am now looking more into. Hopefully it's less of a headache.
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u/ImpliedMustache Sep 10 '26
I believe using eos-update rather than pacman -Syu (or yay) automatically runs reflector.
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u/robtalee44 Sep 10 '26
Despite Manjaro's well documented stumbles, the distro is actually pretty good. Only you can decide if you're willing to accept their past errors and forgive. I am running it on a spare system today, it's just fine.
There's something to be said about the old adage that "if the horse dies, get off", so I don't blame people for reacting to mistakes as they see fit. C'est la vie.
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u/Piuba_rcn Sep 10 '26
O EndeavourOS é "quase" um Arch Linux. Instalação mais simplificada. Uma pequena loja de aplicativos com alguns programas que podem ser essenciais. Usa os repositórios do Arch, ou seja, as atualizações chegam ao mesmo tempo tanto no Arch quanto no EndeavourOS.
Manjaro "segura" as atualizações para "testes". Bem diferente da filosofia rolling-release. Além de usar os repositórios próprios. Vem com várias configurações pré-instaladas. O ambiente do sistema também vem com várias alterações e adições. Pode ser uma dor de cabeça para quem usa AUR (pode não, vai ser uma dor de cabeça).
Tenho o Manjaro XFCE instalado em um antigo HDD. Nunca deu problema. Uso poucos programas além do que vem instalado (Vivaldi e TLPUI) ambos baixados dos repositórios oficiais. Algum tempo atrás aconteceu alguns problemas internos. Muitos usuários não gostam.
Tenho tanto o EndeavourOS XFCE (SSD) e o Manjaro XFCE (HDD) e nunca tive problemas que nenhum dos dois.
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u/jeroenim0 Sep 10 '26
It’s not better, it’s different. What works for you might be a disaster for someone else.
Choose wisely.
smells like rage bait…
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