TL:DR; Black and white and all or nothing thinking with dysfunctional parents - how do you help and be with them and also not emotionally kill yourself, or just cut them off forever?
I am 22F and I was diagnosed with autism and then adhd through the NHS right to choose system about 5 and 8 months ago respectively. It's all a lot!
Anyway, as many of us do I struggle with some black and white thinking when it comes to some people. Especially people I am not close with, they might do something I don't like and think is wrong and I'm just like yep that's it, I don't like them, they're a Bad Person (but not that extreme.. also this sounds pretty cruel now I'm writing it down).
Anyway, some people are immune, like my long term boyfriend (22M, 4 years together and been living in the same vicinity pretty much our whole relationship - also I live with his parents because I got a job in the area while I save for Masters and they offered - he is not living at theirs during term time because he is just finishing his Masters this academic year). I can recognise his flaws and not think he's bad. But there are other people I can recognise have flaws but they fundamentally have values that are similar to mine and I'm like yeah I understand that. I think it's that if I cannot understand or excuse their actions then I'm like yep they are not great and we can't be friends (but that is probably because friends?? what is that?? with all or nothing thinking it is hard to have a friend that you don't tell everything to? or that you don't trust?)
An example to demonstrate this, is there is a girl who I was friends with and she has a history of being a bit flake-y (suddenly 'we're bestiesss!!' girl no we're not that close and you do that with 3 people consecutively in as many months) and duplicitous but in a kind of 'Whaaaat? I didn't knowww?' way. Anyway, I thought she was maturing and not like that as much and I was like you know what, she is kind of sweet, and I was like ok we're friends (I think). We kind of grew apart (but were living in the same dorm / corridor) and anyway she basically outright deceived me - lied because she didn't want me to know something (even though I was inevitably going to find out) and just thought that was ok? and it was this whole thing with lots of people and I cba, it was a dramatic moment, when a bunch of girls are living together and there's inevitable drama that I was somehow the centre of?? but I didn't know how?? anyway. after that, particularly the process of going hmm, I'm not sure how she's going to react (I was trying to plan something for this girl's bday but there was something already planned, I just wasn't invited) and so she was like I'll just lie and say nothing is happening. I just cannot justify that in my head? If she thinks that is ok, what else is ok? I just could not trust her.
Anyway, that is kind of black and white thinking because, in reality, if I saw her, I would still be nice and civil and make small talk and she is quite sweet, I am just very aggressively like no she is Not A Nice Person in my head, it's so weird.
ANYWAY, that is not what this post is about - omds I see why posts on this sub are so long because we all feel the need to give ALL the context. This thinking has got me into some emotional issues with my parents.
My dad has MND which was diagnosed like a year and a half ago, so he is slowly dying, it's degenerative. He got diagnosed because of how slurred his speech was getting. Now his mobility is going and he uses a walker or a chair and has those motorised chairs at home and recently a motorised / hospital bed. I have not recently seen him walk unaided and he can do basic self care and make himself a meal or a coffee / tea but he does not do much anymore.
He's written an amazing trilogy that is self-published on amazon which is sword and sorcery vibes and it is actually really good. I have read the first two and it is amazing. DM if you're interested and I'll let you know what it's called lol.
My dad (71M) is married to my mum (52F)... yes you read that right, both of their first marriages. He never wanted to get married etc and didn't want kids etc.
OMDS I Need to get to the point.
My parents are actually kind of crap.
I have only realised that recently. They would tell me that they are great parents and that our family is better than all the others and we're all happy and it's perfect. And I would believe them, because of the autism? I just assumed I was unhappy growing up because I was a problem. I also have a sister (15F)... she is also stuck in the middle of this but not autistic (at least not at all in the way I am) and as soon as she was not idk a small child, realised it was bs.
Various reasons caused me to start to realise that my mum was very problematic and I really really struggled with this concept because she was perfect and never made mistakes? At least that she told me / showed me... how could she be flawed?
My boyfriend witnessing my family from the inside made me realise I was not going insane and had been my whole childhood.. and also a lecture on narcissism which made me realise that my mum had some of those tendencies, more for everything to be to what she thought it should be (even to the detriment of my sister's and my wellbeing) rather than to her as the centre of attention (her role is loving mother and thus she cannot be flawed (in her head)). Somehow, (although it's been so long it's starting to sound less absurd) she made my dad getting a terminal diagnosis about herself. Everything is about her and how it affects her.
Anyway, that was causing me so so much emotional turmoil as I tried to have these co-existing ideas of my mum.
We then found out this summer that she cheated on my dad! In Jan, and remained in contact (secretly) with him until I told her I *had to talk to her about something urgently..*!! which was for 6 months!! She is also the victim of this btw - I explained I was finding it hard to reconciliate the way she presents herself as flawless and never making a mistake to me (and my sister) (she admits she does this and that it was to try to teach us how to be / be a good role model - um no!! Now I just think I am a failure if I make a mistake and don't know how to recover from it) and this (continued) action / choice. And she was like, you know, so am I, I just can't believe I did that, it just doesn't feel like it was me, like it was someone else. Afterwards, I was like wow, she managed to actually play the victim of herself??
Ok so, that forced me to confront that no way all those times they said they were the perfect family, they were.
I had such complex feelings about this because my dad does suck and was, for example, not involved in my parenting when I was a child and literally has no relationship with my sister (they live together?? with my mum??)
The only reason my dad and I get on is because when I was 12 my secondary school best friend's dad killed himself and spoke about wishing to be able to remember every conversation with her dad. It made me really connect with my dad and ask him questions and listen to him talk (and he could talk, and it would be fascinating and filled with facts - whether accurate or not is another matter).
I realised when everything happened with my mum (and I had a very clear reason to step away which I really needed to and wanted to) that I was the only one in my family who actually got on with everyone. All of them talk to me about their issues and problems and things going on, but not one of them talks to the other two as well, if that makes sense. I was holding them together. Even before this, since I moved out to go to uni at 18, (only being home for max a month once a year, and a couple weeks here and there else where) I was so explicitly aware how I fell into the oldest daughter family therapist trope...
Anyway, my mum is Struggling. My dad is obsessed with control, thinks money can fix things and produce happiness and also has his certain ways of doing things and it very manipulative emotionally (and financially maybe idek). My mum, also emotionally manipulative but also she does seem slightly more of the victim because she's been killing herself trying to hold the relationship together and 'smooth it over' which did not, as she hoped, preclude my sister and I from experiencing the repercussions of their sucky marriage but just meant no problems were resolved. She did not handle it in the best way. But also what was the right way?? She was 21 when they got together, had never lived alone before that and they got married when she was 25 after one year of her working. She would have looked up to him as a more experienced person. And has tried to be 'good' for the sake of a perfect family (... to the detriment of her family) but he has not tried!!! He cannot ever accept he made a mistake in a meaningful way.
Anyway, my dad planned a trip away which him, my boyfriend, and me. It was pretty horrendously planned and I realised how much he actually just does not care and chooses not to see his impacts on others. And it was intense for both my boyfriend and I (over 4 days we did collectively 26+hrs driving - it was a 4 day holiday), my dad did not drive (he can still but he didn't see the point since we could, idk really).
Anyway, I am very emotionally drained and kept getting quite emotional and overwhelmed because I was confused how my dad could be so lovely in what he said did and also so inconsiderate and quite a d*ck actually a lot of the time. And realising none of this is new or because of the illness because he was like this before! I just glossed over it because my mum did too and he would say things like 'I'm a good dad, aren't I?', 'I'm not the worst dad, right?' and he believes he is because his dad never told him he loved him, but he has told me he loves me.
I just am struggling to get it. How is he my dad that I love and does care about me, but also doesn't? How does my mum love me more than I can understand and yet doesn't 'see' me or actually prioritise my wellbeing over what she thinks her family should be like?
My boyfriend was going well I know he's not a good father / husband... even person but also I can get on with him and he is nice, he is also unreasonable. I just can't seem to hold that all in my head. I said yes but he's not your dad so you can separate yourself from it but I am right in the emotional trenches with this! And he is right btw (i may have phrased what he said in a way that does not do it justice) and I think sometimes on the internet we struggle to see ppl as more than good or bad. I cannot just condemn my dying father. Or my overwhelmed mother. But I cannot be as emotionally invested in them as I am and have been because it will kill me.
Has anyone else felt this intense overwhelm / panic over people being someone you love and need to be there for and also want to be there for but also affect you and others negatively and it is just a lot!!!
also just a note, this is super weird and raw and probably too much to share online and also I expected this to be a lot shorter. I just thought that I know this is autism causing the panic / intense overwhelm and stress with complex feelings about someone. I really struggle to hold a contradiction or conflicting ideas in my head without a solid explanation. AAAA please lmk what you think and be kind!