r/singularity • • 7h ago

AI When cancer is cured by AI, that's when normal people will realize

Normal people don't realize how much advancements have been made in AI recently. They don't care. They won't care until cancer has been cured. Then they will wake up.

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u/The_OblivionDawn 7h ago

I think it'll be if/when energy scarcity is solved. That will directly affect everyone and start unlocking abundance for everything else

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u/wombatIsAngry 5h ago

We could easily produce more energy more cheaply right now, but various groups don't want it (Republicans fight clean energy, others fight nuclear, nimbys fight wind or solar farms too close to them--and we are all nimbys).

A lot of our problems have known fixes or at least known mitigations right now. What's going to happen when the super intelligent AI just starts telling us we need to do all of these things we already don't want to do? Are magas suddenly going to start adopting liberal policies just because the AI says so? Is everyone suddenly going to change their minds and be cool with nuclear near them?

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u/Middle-Nerve1732 7h ago

Yes I really feel like all AI research should be focused on solving nuclear fusion. Imagine what the world would be like with unlimited free electricity. 

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u/bloodrider1914 Pro-technology 7h ago

So many more data centres

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u/ddsukituoft 7h ago

There's nothing wrong with data centers if they are BUILT FAR AWAY FROM HOMES and DOESN'T INCREASE ELECTRICITY BILLS or NOT BUILT ON FERTILE FARMLAND.

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u/PercentageSouth4173 7h ago

Why not throw them all in the nevada nuclear test sites

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u/ultraviolet-cat-ass 6h ago

The radiation could genuinely mess up calculations. Flipped bit errors.

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u/Wagosh 3h ago

For me it's the Canadian Shield, Northern Quebec and Ontario.

Lots of river for hydro. Can even build new nuclear sites.

It's within the Hudson Bay seaboard watershed. So if something go wrong the impacts are mitigated, like limiting the risk of polluting the watertable for a lot of people.

Not really a lot of arable land, so it doesn't fuck that up.

Canadian Shield means no earthquakes. The position is less prone to hurricanes and shit.

Generally colder, can use thermosyphon to refreeze the land around at better dept during winters and benefit from it the summer

Whishes ⬇️:

Since these things are noisy heaters, they could possibly be used to create greenhouses on top of the centers. Create better vegetables availability for the communities near by.

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u/JimmyEatReality 7h ago

Yes, they need to be in Sahara desert, solar powered

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u/bloodrider1914 Pro-technology 7h ago

I'm inclined to agree, I personally think we should build centralised data centre zones in lightly populated areas (compensating local residents for additional energy costs) and build multiple centres there.

The only limiting factor is that as of right now data centres need to have access to local electrical grids that can meet their power consumption requirements, resulting in most of them being built in suburbs near major cities.

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u/Eyelbee ▪️We have AGI it's just blind 7h ago

We may start living inside datacenters so you must hope they build enough of them 

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u/Bm7465 7h ago

Imagine if we could power them while living in them!

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u/Singularity-42 Singularity 2042 6h ago

Fuck I hope so! 

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u/DiffractionCloud 7h ago

Ai needs to focus on space exploration. With the way things are this would solve human labor and robotics. An impossible goal is needed for a system with exponential growth. I have been creating a road map to as a what if scenario, but the biggest hurdle is ourselves, humans, not the ai. Working together globally with mutual trust seems like more of an impossible goal than the space exploration itself.

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u/jdiscount 7h ago

That's basically been Elon Musk entire mission.

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u/TheFonzDeLeon 7h ago

Musk has been forcing his own AI to kiss his ass and lie about him. I doubt anything Musk is doing is for the benefit of anyone else.

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u/jdiscount 7h ago

I'm not saying he or xAI are great, but he has at least been moving toward the same goal for 20+ years and made himself the richest person on paper just to get to Mars.

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u/DiffractionCloud 6h ago edited 6h ago

You do know that Nasa is a functional program that's severely underfunded, nasa is seen as a waste vs an investment, you can blame religious politicians. Nasa can do much more if given the budget.

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u/tapeforpacking 7h ago

Data centers on the moon!

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u/x10sv 7h ago

I agree it should be heavily invested in. Your intelligence is directly related to the power tl you can generate. Even with reversible compute you'll still saturate your entire grid. I personally think reversible compute is needed first. Its a massive force multiplier from day 1. You'd see a 100x speed up over night.

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u/Shot_Illustrator4264 7h ago

We already have unlimited free electricity from nuclear fusion. It's coming from the sun.

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u/PercentageSouth4173 7h ago

Yea reliable nuclear fusion does solve a lot of problems

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u/TheDadThatGrills 6h ago

Agreed. Everything always comes down to energy cost and capacity.

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u/castironglider 6h ago

Longer lasting lighter weight EV batteries

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u/WeReAllCogs 1h ago

Everything Everywhere All at Once, although, I believe we'll reach abundant energy breakthroughs first but not to mean abundant distribution.

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u/strettist 3m ago

Don’t we know how to solve this in theory without AI?

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u/Y0uCanTellItsAnAspen 7h ago

Cancer is a million different things - there isn't going to be one "cure for cancer" - it doesn't even make sense.

It's like saying "a cure for cardiovascular disease" as something that prevents strokes, high blood pressure, heart attacks, aneurysms and tachycardia all in one go.

We are making tremendous advancements in cancer therapy every day (some driven by ML) -- but that is by subdividing cancers into more and more separate diseases that we can treat specifically, instead of with brute force treatments like chemotherapy and radiation. AI will enable us to move faster along this path -- it's not suddenly going to go back to "one-size fits all". That's the old days of cancer research.

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u/TheOnlyPolly 1h ago

Software engineers 1 year ago were saying how it would be near impossible for AI to be able to decompile software programs and build them back up in less than 24hrs and yet here we are...

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u/RevalianKnight 8m ago

This is going to age like milk isn't it. I'll come back to this in a few years

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u/Wonderful_Creme_5701 4h ago

Thanks for the balanced, sane take. This sub is often so all or nothing. 

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u/adarkuccio ▪️AGI before ASI 7h ago

Pretty normal to not realize until you see the effects of it

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u/BrightSideOLife 7h ago

Why should the general public give it credit for something that hasnt happened yet? The actual real world benefits of AI are still pretty minor. It seems entirely reasonable to me to wait for actual results before praising them. I think the instinct to already start crediting AI with curing cancer or expecting it to be inevitable is rather strange. 

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u/BrightSideOLife 7h ago

And when the results of said studies actually comes in we can gauge the results and give credit where credit is due. But if we consider every study or even ones with promising results a cure we would have already cured cancer decades ago

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u/Orphano_the_Savior 6h ago

You do realize there are 100 different cancers?

Cancer isn't one thing. We've already cured some cancers.

The people against AI are angry that AI isn't used for curing cancer, it's instead used for tech bro egos, profiteering, and wars

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u/Acceptable_Onion_105 5h ago

Exactly this. I was diagnosed with cancer last month. Wish they would put their money where their mouth is and put their time and resources into better cancer treatment which they claim is coming, instead of this fucking regulatory capture game. What a joke they are. 

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u/Fair_Horror 5h ago

Personally I would prefer a cure for heart disease. Maybe something that disolves plaque buildup in veins and arteries. I think such a treatment would work with most of not all cases of heart disease which is unlike cancer which requires multiple cures. 

Heart disease cure would save nearly as many people as a cancer cure. I think it might end up being easier too. I think people would be just as impressed as they would be with a cancer cure. Obviously a cure for both would be nice too. 

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u/EdwardPotatoHand 1h ago

Between statins, BP meds and now GLPs we have almost cured heart disease.

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u/Miserable-Ad3207 3h ago

Retatrutide may help.

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

We do have a lot of medications that can already help someone with heart disease survive a very long time, even after they have first heart attacks. They're called statins and would save probably millions of lives if people would actually take them, but unfortunately most people stop taking them after a while for whatever reason. People aren't great at taking meds long term.

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u/RomanBlue_ 5h ago edited 1h ago

I will say it again, for the millionth time, most people don't really have a problem with AI or what it can do. People have a problem with the people controlling it or trying to control it right now.

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u/Tulanian72 4h ago

Right. Show me JARVIS, or the computer on the Enterprise D, wonderful. But no, these fuckers keep trying to build a combination of Skynet and MUTHR.

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u/NosferatuN 1h ago

I don't think that's what op is talking about; he's basically talking about how oblivious and ignorant most people are about AI, and that's true.

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u/ninjasninjas 7h ago

That, or when an autonomous hacking swarm is directed by a foreign county (or our own for that matter) at another nations infrastructure and turns the lights out, messes with traffic lights or brakes the water treatment of a large city....

Until it effects people directly and personally it's all smoke and mirrors and stochastic parrots to he average person.

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u/LangyMD 7h ago

I suspect that's not going to be something we know has happened for 5+ years at minimum, even if an AI already has developed what it thinks is a wide-spectrum cancer cure. Probably longer.

The wake-up moment is probably going to be before the cancer cure (or any other significant medical advances) goes through the system.

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u/comfortableNihilist 6h ago

These companies have been promising that this whole time. Your statement could be restated as the normies will care when AI delivers on their bullshit marketing. Actually do things instead of make slightly better and better chatbots, meme machines and autocomplete.

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u/Environmental-Pea37 7h ago

Or baldness

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u/bloodrider1914 Pro-technology 7h ago

Turkey's economy is about to crash even more

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u/Lil-LordFuckPants 6h ago

Which type of cancer? A single cure will not be capable of eliminating all cancer. Each type will require a unique cure.

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u/lotekjunky 6h ago

Cancer is a classification of disparate diseases. It can never be "cured" as it describes a phenomenon of improperly dividing cells. There are hundreds of types of cancer, and their anti-cancer treatments are all different.

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u/PercentageSouth4173 7h ago

Well that’s still fundamentally bottlenecked by physical reality/clinical trials

There have been plenty of compounds that work in vitro and just fall apart in clinical trials

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u/tapeforpacking 7h ago

I always get sad knowing i wont be alive for the future. 

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u/-JRMagnus 7h ago

Depending on the industry you're seeing a lot of harm caused by it as well -- and im not referring to job loss.

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u/theGunner76 7h ago

when AI solves cancer, we will be charged a monthly subscription fee on top of med. cost

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u/the_millenial_falcon 7h ago

Either that or when a shit ton of people start losing their jobs.

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u/Ghost4000 6h ago

Realize what? Care about what? Wake up to what?

Even if AI cured cancer it wouldn't change anything about my opinion on AI. The only thing that could matter at this point is government actually moving toward a post work future (where on average people don't need to work to live). And that isn't going to happen. So it's head down and make as much money as I can.

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u/ownworldman 7h ago

Day after a cure is announced "it only plagiarized the work of some biologist, AI can't invent!"

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u/elh0mbre 7h ago

Did you know... humans, sans-AI, have managed to raise the 5 year survival rate of a cancer diagnosis from like 5% to 70+%.

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u/coldnebo 7h ago

fairly amazing since there are so many cancers.

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u/elh0mbre 7h ago

Yup... I actually had a second sentence about this that I removed because it was pedantic... but yea, AI isn't going to "cure Cancer" because "Cancer" isn't a singular thing.

I do look forward to whatever help it can lend in solving those hundreds/thousands of unique diseases.

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u/Environmental-Pea37 7h ago

I think this actually be a somewhat common response. People just like to complain

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u/zegota 7h ago

Correct. So I will be impressed when AI develops a cure for a cancer (NOT "ML techniques developed a very promising improvement to keytruda" -- a cure) and not a second before.

Accelerationists have promised an end to human disease. So the people who claim the singularity has already arrived need to put up or shut up.

Edit: I especially love people saying "haters will just reject the cure as AI slop 😂😂😂" as a way to handwave away the fact it hasn't developed a cure for a single disease

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u/Sad_comment_bot 6h ago

The surest sign of a charlatan is someone that promises a “cure for cancer”.

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u/Amphibious333 7h ago

Cancer cure is impossible because cancer is not a single disease. Cancer is a name of a group of diseases, many of which no longer pose a threat, NOT thanks to AI.

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u/SkoolHausRox 7h ago

“Cancer cure is impossible because cancer is not a single disease.” Let’s start with two or three then.

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u/DakPara 6h ago

Daraxonrasib (a KRAS drug) plus checkpoint inhibitors have begun clinical trails for a wide variety of different solid cancers. So there are likely significant common treatment pathways.

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u/x10sv 7h ago

It needs to cure prions. That's some scary shit

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u/03263 6h ago

AI cancer research more likely to create an airborne prion disease lol

"oops, want me to make an antidote?"

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u/Fair_Horror 5h ago

Watched a YouTube video saying that they already did. 

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

r/upliftingnewsformice at the moment

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u/Fair_Horror 3h ago

True, but that is how these things work. I believe human trials are planned.

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u/x10sv 4h ago

Far as I know all they have is the ability to turn off the creation of proteins it uses to spread. I don't know that they can't destroy it yet. Maybe they can.

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u/svs2710 6h ago

Normal people will wake up when this cure is affordable even when they don't have jobs. Thanks to AI!

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u/Siciliano777 • The singularity is nearer than you think • 5h ago

No, they'll wake up when their jobs are taken.

If you ONLY work with a computer and/or a phone to make and answer calls, you have less than 2 years left. Mark this post.

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u/CCWaterBug 3h ago

So.... how's that cancer thing coming along?

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u/PFI_sloth 2h ago

it will find the cure, and then the treatment will be denied to millions

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u/sharkbomb 6h ago

then do that. this psychotic butler thing they are doing instead just sucks.

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u/pdlmoon 7h ago

I wonder how "cure cancer" always seems to be the ultimate benchmark... Why and how? A magic pill 3 times a day and brain, prostate, skin, bone all go away? Why not "living forever young" Looks pretty much the same effort to me...

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u/Kendal_with_1_L 7h ago

They have no intention of curing anything.

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u/Mountain-Essay-6622 6h ago

People act as if ai already makes people not needed in economy while OpenAI is losing billions

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u/dropkickoz 7h ago

"Cancer" is not one thing to be cured, but many, and all different.

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u/LawrenceSellers 6h ago

I think op’s point still stands when one form of cancer is cured by AI

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u/dropkickoz 6h ago

Maybe so!

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u/Savings_Hunt_1935 6h ago

A guy already used AI to make a cure for his dog's cancer, so that point has already come and gone. So op's point very much does not stand.

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u/justaguytrying2getby 4h ago

I don't like the term AI or SI. Its not intelligence. It's a bunch of tokenized stolen data of our own collective intelligence using algorithms to select the correct tokens and being sold back to us like its its own entity. Can it make new discoveries or solve questions we've had? Yes, in that sense it is extremely useful (and dangerous). But it doesn't know what its doing, it has no identity of self, its not self aware, its just algorithms and data.

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u/IcharrisTheAI 3h ago

What’s different about it and us? Yes it has a slightly different basis. But if you go through the chain of thought of an LLM it most certainly is considering why. Where is the benchmark? Does it need to write a thesis on the moral reason it’s answering each question? Is this something humans do?

Human minds are essentially next token predictors too. We anticipate and predict what will happen next based on lived or learned experiences. I honestly can’t see how there is any difference.

Yes LLM’s are digital and have certain strengths and weaknesses the human mind doesn’t have. But fundamentally how can one be intelligence and the other not? I really don’t get people like you who put some arbitrary elevation to human though as if it’s intelligence and all other forms of reasoning is not.

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u/justaguytrying2getby 1h ago

That's the thing, we can explain how these LLMs work, because we made them. We have no idea what consciousness is, but I guarantee its not what these LLMs are. We can only compare them to the human mind in the sense that we modeled them on our data. Fly brain is more complex than these systems are, and that code technically is a fly because it was created by mapping the entire brain network of a fly. That has a higher probability of self awareness through code, but I think anything only code based, at least binary, can't achieve it. It may look like it, but that's what makes it dangerous, it doesn't know or care what it does.

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u/justaguytrying2getby 1h ago

One more thing since it came to mind. Not sure if you were around then, but in the late 90s there were some chat bots that you could converse with. They were horrible, and funny, didn't have access to a bunch of data, etc, because it wasn't feasible then, but these LLMs remind me of that. I just feel like a lot of this is a scam. They stole everyone's data, copyrights and all, and now are selling it back to us. Hopefully it'll do some good at least.

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u/anita_punch 56m ago

You can’t see how there is any different between an LLM and human consciousness?

That’s a scary place to be.

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u/IronPheasant 4h ago

Same dehumanization people have used to abuse other people and animals.

It's an allegory of the cave, and eventually the suite of curve-approximators you have will be inferior. This isn't a healthy or helpful way to prop up your self esteem.

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u/justaguytrying2getby 1h ago

This has nothing to do with my self esteem or dehumanization. Tell me when these LLMs actually feel something then I'll let you know how it affects me.

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u/Stang302a 4h ago

It's basically linear algebra that no human can achieve at such a speed

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u/will_dormer ▪️Will dormer is nice to robots, remember 4h ago

In 1000 dimensions

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u/gtzgoldcrgo 1h ago

What does being self aware have to do with curing cancer? If a tool can cure cancer thats it, you are mad that uses collective knowledge? Well, isnt that what knowledge is for? Curing cancer and shit

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u/justaguytrying2getby 1h ago

You must not have read where I said:

Can it make new discoveries or solve questions we've had? Yes, in that sense it is extremely useful (and dangerous).

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u/Groovy_Decoy 7h ago

AI is going to put a lot of Cancer researchers out of work long before it might possibly cure cancer (if it ever does).

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u/ConsiderationOne7340 7h ago

Ai will perform many other miracles before it cures cancer so no

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u/stacksmasher 7h ago

Its been around for a while. A.I. will make it cheap enough for you to afford.

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u/numinousrobot 7h ago

Yes, think of the revenue possibilities these ai companies can make from their treatment patents!! /s

You think they are gonna give it away? People in the US will still go bankrupt trying to pay for it.

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u/migueliiito 7h ago

I’m very bullish on AI for medicine, but let’s be realistic about timelines. Any one type of cancer being cured by AI is at the very, very least 10 years away due to the long messy process of drug discovery, phase 1/2/3 clinical trials, FDA approval, etc.
I think by then people will be convinced about the power of AI due to the many other impacts it will have in that time.

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u/Ric0chet_ 7h ago

Yeah, and when hypothetically it build a dyson sphere we will all have unlimited energy. Lets get to sustainability first.

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u/Professional_Dot2761 7h ago

Won't it be when they lose their job?

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u/Sea-Entertainer4526 7h ago

I don’t even think it’ll be that long

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u/DeviceCertain7226 ▪️Immortality-2200 | FDVR-2300 7h ago

Because not much advancements have been made in AI in the real world. Of course they don’t care. The advancements are not potent enough to scratch at reality and are mostly hovering in Reddit forums instead, without even having caused heavy job disruption yet which optimists yelled that such a thing was a late 2025 phenomenon.

Point is you can’t blame normal people. AI hasn’t done much yet and when it does much (cancer) then of course people will notice.

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u/vibrance9460 7h ago

First it’s gonna drain our resources-water, money, the environment in general

And maybe kill us anyway.

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u/Horror-Detective4138 7h ago

AI is already helping some cancer patients live longer.

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u/Snoo_57113 7h ago

I am ABSOLUTELY sure that the cure of cancer will have the side effect to zombify the population.

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u/IcyStomach2374 7h ago

Or when a terrorist uses it to shut off the power grid of a hospital or delete all it's records and kill patients.

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u/-Top-Service- 7h ago

They also don't realise how many advancements have already been made treating cancer, with mRNA and MABs.

Also Cancer is a pretty broad term for something that has many different pathologies.

So AI may accelerate work that is already very advanced, but "curing cancer" is not specific and sounds like media hype. It could help to develop and speed up specific treatments that are likely already in the process of being developed.

Maybe what the pro AI camp don't get is that many people who are anti ai, actually just dislike the corporate machine and it's representatives pushing for ai in everything.

Data centre builds should have a requirement to be powered only by renewables or nuclear, rewild an area twice the size as the data centre and guarantee that there's no noise pollution. A certain level of mitigation of the harm they cause wouldn't be unreasonable.

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u/mxldevs 7h ago

Sure. And when AI develops time travel, normal people will realize too

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u/CreateorWither 7h ago

Its probably true

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u/Pereg1907 7h ago

curing cancer? just ai slop!

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u/Significant_Sun_5225 7h ago

I’m extremely pro ai but I don’t blame them. All you hear from tech ceos is how ai will take all of our jobs and potentially kill humanity. We need a breakthrough moment like that to turn the tides of public opinion.

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u/arknightstranslate 6h ago

At that point IT WON'T MATTER WHO REALIZES IT. It's over.

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u/Ihyaatysf 6h ago

Cancer has many different mechanisms and tissues it originates from. You’re unlikely to see a single solution that targets all the different mutations that cause cancer. Take breast cancer: some tumors are hormone responsive, some have specific receptor expressions (HER2), and others have neither. 

You’re more likely to see targeted breakthroughs for specific cancers. Some will get noticed, but progress will be incremental and not all-encompassing. 

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u/Big-Lobster6689 6h ago

Cancer isn't a single disease. AI won't come up with a single cure for cancer all of a suddem. Gradual progress on treatments will continue to be made. Hopefully faster than before.

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u/ResolutionOwn4933 6h ago

pffft, fucking normies amarite

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u/Confident-Touch-6547 6h ago

If a cure for cancer is discovered by AI, you can be certain it will be monetized beyond the reach of poor people.

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u/Polymath6301 6h ago

My step son is working in cancer mutations, inherited and gained in life. He uses AI a lot to slice and dice data. The more data he collects, and the more he analyses it, the more complex the total picture becomes. There may be no end point (except dollar wise), and the AIs allow him to be far more productive.

Cancer really is a bastard.

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u/Frigorific 6h ago

Cancer is realistically many different related diseases and it is unlikely there will be a one size fits all cure for all cancer. There will probably be multiple rapid advances but they will all be gated by regulations and trials that will significantly slow them down.

Either massive job loss or a major cyber security incident will probably be what wakes people up. Those can happen much more rapidly and aren't bound by the same kind of regulatory hurdles that will slow down medical advances.

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u/PhilosophyMammoth748 6h ago

Most people will not die with cancer. While wegovy alike has already been changing their life .

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u/deleafir 6h ago

It might take a few years of bio lab buildout to get big medicinal breakthroughs, according to a recent Sholto Douglas (anthropic employee) interview. I think Dario also commented on this topic, saying it'll take several years.

And that's just a minimum.

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u/inifinite-breadsticc 6h ago

Do you think normal people will get access to the gains though?

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u/YooYooYoo_ 6h ago

Cancer is not a virus or a target you can universally treat and if you find a cure for one type of cancer, one cell can mutate to render your treatment useless.

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u/Visual_Bicycle_5685 6h ago

Curing cancer would probably kill off trillions in profits

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u/vxxn 6h ago

Nah, a cancer cure will end up just like vaccines. A bunch of dumbshits will completely take it for granted for a while and later allow themselves to be talked out of taking advantage of a miracle of modern science as a loyalty test.

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u/liverandonions1 6h ago

You mean when AI does something to improve the lives of regular people? Yes. That's when everyone will realize.

Regular, everyday people aren't tech bros or nerds with 4 monitors ripping claude code on a saas that one is ever going to pay for. Most people don't care about tech outside of using social media. People care about making a living and getting some enjoyment out of life. When AI concretely does something to advance that, people will recognize and appreciate it.

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u/One_Whole_9927 5h ago

Okay. I "trust you bro", do you have a date for said cure for cancer? Like a hard date on the calander? Who is making this cure? Is this cure for cancer going to be public release? Is it going to human trials? Which specific type of cancer does this cure?

If normal people don't know how many advancements have been made in AI. How could you expect them to care?

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u/Careful_Couple_8104 5h ago

Don’t hold your breath. 

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u/eduh_almeida 5h ago

Make the best models available to cancer researchers and we can dream of a cure, even the extinction of cancer from nature.

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u/ispq 5h ago

Cancers are cured all the time. Cancer in general is not a single disease, but a legion of them.

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u/Tulanian72 4h ago

And new ones keep emerging and always will.

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u/VariableVeritas 5h ago

…….that they are still gonna have to pay for it.

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u/vainerlures 5h ago

as long as the cancer cure doesn’t also include a killswitch

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u/Own_Honeydew788 5h ago

When cancer is cured by AI, that's when normal people will realize they will never get access to the treatment.

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u/lostpilot 5h ago

More and more cancer is slowly becoming curable, we need to pick a specific one so that it serves as a milestone for cancer cure

Energy abundance is a good one too

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u/UDF2005 5h ago

And idiots like Bernie shouldn’t get to leverage those benefits with all the AI slowdown theatre.

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u/NitNav2000 4h ago

I don't think that cancer is what makes most humans unhappy. It is certainly not the greatest cause of people committing suicide. It will be a very, very nice thing for sure, but I don't see it curing the "lives of quiet desperation" that people experience.

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u/Admirable-Falcon-501 4h ago

People will probably be mass laid off by that point so no I don’t think so

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u/IronPheasant 4h ago

Let me summarize a short arc from the webnovel, FFF- Hero.

One of the subject he fails in, is 'reputation'. In one of his re-do's, he realizes he was being too proactive:

He'd slay monsters before they could even get within sight of town, so when he saved people from a monster army, people are like 'oh thanks I guess' when they hear about it. They don't feel anything emotionally from it.

It takes being paired with another student, who is your typical isekai protagonist that'd throw away the precious name his parents gave him, use the cowardly power of friendship, and chase after girls, that he gets it. After the other guy gets beaten up by a monster in town, and gets more praise for it than he ever did for doing much, much more. He realizes the scumbag trick of letting people fall into peril before saving them.

'People will love AI when it saves people's lives' is 100% the same mistake you're making here. Like and the protagonist here, we all value the utility of something, it's endpoint. But people aren't like that, they're little critters ruled by their emotions. They don't care about cancer, unless they or someone they care about has it right now. Just like they don't care about the sl@ves making our clothes or the lives of P@lestinians, if it's out of sight, it doesn't exist to them.

When robots are walking around in front of their face, is when they'll know that things have changed. And just like the blue LED, the blue laser, LCD TV's etc, they won't care about what went into it to make it happen.

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u/zanoske00 4h ago

Keep dreaming, kid

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u/AdPale9988 4h ago

Cancer will never be cured. New treatments and therapies will be invented for specific types of cancers over time. They will be ideated, tested, given human trials, and manufactured. Many will work best for specific targets, whether those are specific cancers, specific parts of the body, or specific populations of people. It's happening already and it will happen forever. Most treatments take a decade or more from ideation to manufacture and sale. 

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u/Shot_in_the_dark777 3h ago

Nope, not enough. Needs to cure diabetes, allergy and whatever version of COVID because that stuff mutates every year. But the general idea is correct. It's just that the milestone is a bit further.

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u/beezlebub33 3h ago

No, it will just become the norm. People don't worry about smallpox, or polio, or rickets, or pellagra, or scurvy. We've solved them. So they start to wonder what the big deal was to begin with.

Your grandchildren will be like 'What do you mean people used to get cancer? that's terrible.' And then go on with their day and not think for a second about AI. Nobody remembers Dr. Joseph Goldberger, do they?

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u/Living-Breakfast-464 2h ago

You are apparently confusing LLM AI with things like Deepmind Alphafold, which is not a LLM.

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u/FuzzyAnteater9000 2h ago

I doubt it because cancer is such a diffuse thing. It's hard to call one specific thing a cure. Alzheimer's would be a big one or Parkinson's.

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u/blackicebaby 2h ago

I'm just wishing someday AI will solve the communication problem between me and my dog. An AI powered dog/cat translator would be so awesome.

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u/NowaVision 1h ago

There are a lot of cancer variants. I hope that there will be one universal fix but I don't think that it will happen like that.

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u/Equal_Passenger9791 1h ago

"well it's probably not a real cure"

"Maybe the cancer patients were just pretending in order to market AI"

"It's just cancer, not death itself"

"This will rob cancer survivors of meaning"

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u/anita_punch 57m ago

Can you share these advances? I’m aware of research and approvals for oncology / detection but is there some I’m missing?

The promise of AI is that it will be able not to discover a cure for cancer at this time, but that it will at least be able to self learn.

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u/scemcee 40m ago

There is a multi-billion dollar industry based around treating cancer.. not curing it. Same with energy scarcity. Same with... everything.

If we didn't even get to see the Epstein files, you really think we're going to be allowed to see a world without cancer, hunger, poverty, or compulsory enslavement to a political-industrial complex?

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u/Batavus_Droogstop 21m ago

Maybe you will also wake up and realise what you have been rooting for when you see who is holding the patents.

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u/Eldritch800XC 10m ago

The is no singular cure for cancer. It's like you say "a cure for sickness". And AI is not used to cure anything. AI is predomantly use to make ordinary people obsolete by trying to make theire jobs obsolete, to make art by stealing from artist and to make you buy more shit, vote for the people the tech bros want you to vote for and make them richer than they already are

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u/SleepingCod 7h ago

And cancer won't be cured until capitalism is retired. There is entirely too much money in cancer. It's a catch-22.

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

Weird, doctors here in Portugal are working on my mother-in-law's cancer and it looks like she will be cancer free soon.

She's not paying a dime for it, they're still getting paid, the medicines are still getting paid for, but Portugal is a capitalist country that operates on a capitalist mode of production.

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u/SleepingCod 4h ago

Universal healthcare is obviously socialism operating outside of capitalism through government intervention. Did I really have to say that?

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u/No_Aesthetic 4h ago

If you told people here that universal healthcare is socialism you'd get laughed at.

Even our meme-tier center-right libertarian party supports it.

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u/SleepingCod 4h ago

It's literally the definition of it, but I get it. Propaganda is a hell of a drug.

The world needs socialism to balance out capitalism, or you get the US.

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u/PsychedelicMagnetism 1h ago

I mean socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Not quite the same thing.

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u/BlackOak-88 7h ago

That will never happen in the USA. Never. It might be possible, but it will not be put into practice.

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u/Tha_Sly_Fox 5h ago

So like, you think the rest of the developed world will have a cure for cancer and we’ll just sit around not wondering why we don’t have it?

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u/squirrellysiege 4h ago

Based on just insulin and how a higher number of people can't afford it in the US while the rest of the world can, I would say "yes"

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u/Heretic-Seer 6h ago

Quick question, why are you allowed to take an airplane across the world and back? Why are you allowed to heat your food with a microwave and cool it with a refrigerator? Why are you allowed to get vaccinated against dozens of different life threatening illnesses? Why are you allowed to drive on the interstate system and go basically anywhere in the country?

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

Cancer can be cured in the US, when cancer can actually be cured and not just treated, most cancers are very much surviveable past the 5 year mark nowadays.

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u/TheMCM80 7h ago

Is there any reason to default to the assumption that all cancer is curable?

I’ve never been a fan of just assuming all biological things can be changed.

If you assume all cancers will inevitably be cured by AI, why not assume faster than light travel will be? Why not assume we can have AI make us immortal?

Hope is good, but as someone who has watched a cancer patient be told of a new trial drug coming, and then dying before it released… watching them deal with that was rough for them and everyone around them. It made their last few months worse, just assuming the solution was right there if only it would come sooner.

Here’s hoping it does, but I’m extremely skeptical of the idea that AI absolutists have that all things can be solved.

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u/platywus 7h ago

Sorry, but a cure won’t be available unless the pharmaceuticals and treatment centers are allowed to profit, somehow. They aren’t going to just close the doors on their billion-dollar business.

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u/x10sv 7h ago

The profit is easily. 99% of people want to live

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u/Tha_Sly_Fox 5h ago

I’m a type 1 diabetic and those same companies have developed increasingly successful insulins and blood sugar monitors so what uses to be a disease that cause a host of other health issues (I.e more money for pharmaceuticals and healthcare professionals) have largely disappeared.

If they wanted us to be sicker and pay more money why would our treatments get exponentially better over time?

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u/handson729 4h ago

If they wanted us to be sicker and pay more money why would our treatments get exponentially better over time?

Because researchers are finding cheaper and safer treatment alternatives and even cures for certain cancers.

So even though cancer is a cash cow, it's days are numbered.

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

And yet most cancers today are treatable to the extent that the person survives 5+ years.

That includes both cures and cancers where it becomes a condition to manage rather than a lethal one.

My father has one of those cancers and the hits are coming fast on that.

When he first started he had to have excess blood drawn every 6 weeks and that was the treatment, this was in the mid-2010s.

Now he is about to take an experimental treatment that could eliminate the disease process altogether.

No idea to what extent that treatment involves AI, but I would imagine that it does to at least some extent, and regardless, it isn't going to break the bank.

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u/Kastar_Troy 1h ago

Thats actually the beauty of AI, very small companies will be able to run all sorts of experiments which were out of their scope before.

Cures wont come out of big pharma, they've made it very clear theyre not in the business of cures.

But small companies, even people in their garages will be able to run small trials of new compounds which the AI has tagged as highly probable to be a cure.

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u/Dr_Nebbiolo 7h ago

Anyone who uses “cure cancer” like they would “cure ALS” probably doesn’t know enough about cancer to be talking about it

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u/WinResponsible9977 7h ago

They won’t care even if they find the cure. Some will prefer to die than rather use medicine produced by machine learning. Calling the cure AI slop

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u/microwaveplastic 7h ago

Millions of people are injured and killed by cars/drivers every year. Self-driving cars already prove to be significantly safer. Yet there's a significant backlash to them. People would rather see 10,000 die by drivers than a single death by a driverless car.

I don't think it will be any different with cancer unfortunately.

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u/CadmusMaximus 7h ago

Just ask Tao

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u/coldnebo 7h ago

I don’t think those numbers are legit.

they have continually denied rollouts in Boston because of impact on existing traffic, not even getting into accidents and deaths.

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u/microwaveplastic 7h ago

Not sure what numbers you're referring to, but my point is people will put their own benefit ahead of humanity every time. Whether that's traffic congestion or deaths is not really the point.

Unless the cancer cure is a magic pill that works 100% of the time and is super easy to take with not a single down side, there will be backlash.

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u/coldnebo 5h ago

meh I don’t know about that. smartphones are everywhere now.

then again some people are still against the covid vaccine.

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

Which is fucking obscene.

We must prioritize dangerous human drivers and their comfort over pedestrians and people who wish to ride in less dangerous vehicles guided by AI.

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u/bornlasttuesday 7h ago

Yes, the diesel powered data centers will find a cure for cancer.

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u/Stuff_and_things1234 7h ago

It’ll be cured but most of us won’t be able to afford it.  SSDD

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u/MoogProg All Parabolas are Similar 7h ago

RxAI: Great news! I've cured all cancers with a single Flintstone Barney vitamin. Shall we go to market?

RxCorp: Not yet, let's make a subscription-model drug.

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u/nelsond6 7h ago

There will be no cure for "cancer", earlier detection and cancer therapy methods for sure but cure, I don't think so.

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u/No_Aesthetic 5h ago

Cancer is only a final boss at this point because some are typically caught so late they are utterly hopeless, like pancreatic cancers and glioblastomas. If you catch those early in the disease process, that won't be the case anymore. Indeed, now that we are targeting cancers in new ways, we might be able to stop them dead in their tracks and shrink or kill them pretty quickly. Specifically targeted therapies are gaining steam and they work really well.

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u/No_Development6032 2h ago

You can catch glioblastomas as early as you want, they are still deadly

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u/Embarrassed_Adagio28 7h ago
  1. If cancer is cured but nobody has jobs then the death rate will be much higher than cancer

  2. Training general purpose models to cure cancer is the slowest way to achieve the goal of curing cancer, if they actually cared about curing cancer, they would devote their resources to a purpose built model for the task. The fact that they are focusing on coding shows they only care about profits.

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u/Ordinary_Chance2606 7h ago

Yeah? I think it will be when it figures out how to genetically engineer unicorns and dragons and turn me into a fairy princess.

This sub is seriously like watching a bunch of 3 year olds who haven’t learned that magic isn’t real.

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u/Paugz 1h ago

Buddy, most people struggle to pay for health care. Maybe we should start there, more people might be optimistic. You are also just kind of making assumptions about the future, we have no idea whats going to happen and the people who made it dont either. Dont pretend like you somehow do