r/pcmasterrace • • 22h ago

News/Article “We didn’t ask for more Microslop”: Microsoft promised to fix Windows 11, then dropped 300 AI buzzwords at its big event

https://www.windowslatest.com/2026/10/12/we-didnt-ask-for-more-microslop-microsoft-promised-to-fix-windows-11-then-dropped-300-ai-buzzwords-at-its-big-event/
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u/omgaporksword 21h ago

Completely tone-deaf to what people actually want.

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u/AvilettaLuxe 9950X3D | 7900XTX | 96G@6000 | 4k240 OLED | Arch + Plasma 21h ago

Well, of course - Nutella only cares about his shareholders, then presidents of other teams need to back up on his claims, that they are working on Windows 11, or say better Xbox ecosystem, or whatever, and then Nutella goes on stage again and completely destroys all of these claims... but stock goes up...

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u/Aselleus 21h ago

I was so confused how or why Nutella was involved with Windows. Now I'm mad I can't download Nutella.

(I know it's autocorrect, but their name is Nadella)

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u/power899 20h ago

What do you mean? His name is Slopya Nutella.

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u/gaflar gaflar 20h ago

It's not autocorrect. You will see Slopya Nutella all over Reddit. It's quite intentional.

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u/Aselleus 20h ago

Ah my bad, I missed that apparently

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u/coukou76 21h ago

Since b2b is 90% of their revenue with the highest margin I guess that windows is just a small team at Microsoft at this point

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u/Yelebear 20h ago

Theres been claims from former ms employees, they said windows has been reduced to a lower priority team because 365 and azure are their main focus.

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u/floatingskillets 19h ago

As someone who has to deal with both Azure and 365 on a daily basis, the customer service and supposed dedication to bug fixing aint there either. They'll email you back to tell you what copilot said the fix to your problem was after 10 days though!

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u/hedoeswhathewants 16h ago

It's insane that a company with over 200,000 employees is juggling projects

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u/OneSkepticalOwl 16h ago

And yet, navigating Azure is still a mess. Correction: navigating Entra. It takes me to Azure at random times when trying to go back one page. Clicking the X instead does it randomly as well

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u/illuanonx1 17h ago

No user base, no b2b. MS needs to indoctrinate new users to their OS. Otherwise its game over.

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u/StrigidaeNinox 10h ago

Not even, B2B customers will stick around for no reason other than "we've always used Windows." I work in a corporate environment, and changing the UI even a little bit causes mayhem. When Salesforce changed from "Classic" to "Lightning Experience" it was months of bitching from everyone, including me.

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u/sips_white_monster 14h ago

Nvidia's gaming revenue is like margin of error now vs data center revenue lmao.

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u/DarkCapybara 20h ago

Wasn't that the case for a very long time? Just think back when they shoved Windows 10 and 11 in every shady, dark patterny way they could possibly think of. I wouldn't be surprised if someone brings up another example further from the past.

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u/SatisfactionActive86 16h ago

pretending people want what they’re selling is the operative part of the AI scam so AI companies can get insane valuations. the entire US economy is a fever dream built on vibes and desperation, not actual benefit.

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u/glytxh 14h ago

We aren’t the user base.

We’re the product.

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u/moldyjellybean 19h ago

Moved away from windows wish my family would too. Only good windows is windows 7 and if I need windows I use win7 in a virtual machine

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u/Potential-Winner4601 17h ago

Oh, would you like some more Copilot with that?

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u/hotdwag 12700k | RX-9070XT | 48GB DDR4 15h ago

Hey now, they’ll tell you what you want, don’t worry 😀

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u/Demistr 14h ago

Windows is a product for businesses, they don't care about customers.

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u/G-Litch 14h ago

Why would they care about what the users want when the shareholder(tm) wants more AI?

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u/southboundtracks 8h ago

I want to be as far from Microsoft (and the rest of big tech) as possible. 

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u/UnknownMyoux Potatoe Pc Masterrace 21h ago

Pretends to be shocked*

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u/Tactical-Donkey Threadripper Workstation 21h ago

Shocked Pikachu! 

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u/GuideUnable5049 7600. 9060 xt. 32gb. 21h ago

Their promises were… artificial.

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u/shinikahn 12h ago

"Super" according to some dummies

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u/spacestationkru 21h ago

Is it possible the Microsoft somehow ends up dead as a result of this? Like the "Microslop" era actually kicks off their real decline into irrelevance years down the line?

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u/HeadacheBird 21h ago

The problem at this stage is corporate use is still so completely dependent on windows. The personal user doesn't matter as much.

Moving to Linux in a corporate environment is much harder, when businesses will just live with any AI additions

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u/specter_in_the_conch PC Master Race 20h ago

Exactly, we might still have 20 or so years if not more until maybe some companies begin to move towards the penguin.

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u/ireallylovedeer 14h ago

I am doubtful that any large business will pivot to using Linux outside of IT and Software Engineering. Microsoft has done a very good job of making the windows platform secure, easy to use, retaining familiar UX components for decades, and maintaining legacy software.

Windows also does not play nicely with many standards that Unix or Linux operating systems use, intentionally. Microsoft makes it difficult to make these operating systems talk to each other, ensuring that you use their product over competitors. Things like file permissions, user groups, and file systems are notoriously a pain in the ass to maintain across systems.

There are solutions to each of the problems introduced by switching operating systems, but most of the time its cheapest and easiest to just use the operating system the computer ships with or pay Microsoft the extra $100 for a license. At the end of the day, the best choice of operating system for an organization is the one their employees understand and can use effectively.

This is by no means an endorsement of microsoft or their shitty operating system.

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u/nullptr777 Linux 11h ago

Microsoft has done a very good job of making the windows platform secure

Microslop doesn't know the meaning of the word secure. Never have.

They regularly ignore security researchers, and build atrocious things that never should've existed.

https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/29/microsoft-under-fire-for-threatening-security-researcher-with-criminal-investigation/

To be very clear, the reason Nightmare Eclipse posted these vulnerabilities publicly is because he tried to report them to Microslop, and they repeatedly ignored him, and then banned him. So he said "fuck it" and posted them publicly to force their hand into fixing the problems. They then threatened to sue and/or prosecute him, because they're a bunch of little bitches who don't understand or give a shit about security. Some of these exploits were already being leveraged by hacker groups as well.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-entra-id-flaw-allowed-hijacking-any-companys-tenant/

I'm not sure how well you understand the specifics of this article, but it's bad. Like really, really, really fucking bad. They're lucky this was found by a white hat hacker, because it could've been the largest security breach in history.

Anybody competent in security should have legit zero respect for that company at this point.

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u/TonyWhoop 15h ago

pengling

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u/KevinIsADork 14h ago

Either redhat or some similar enterprise distro would have to come out and actually have the backing to create a real support system for it. 

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u/boersc 20h ago

Even better, corporations embrace ai in Windows as it makes a lot of tedious work a lot easier/accurate. Like it or not, ai has a place in the world and won't go away.

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u/w1n5t0nM1k3y 10h ago

So many employees are just stuck on a browser for most of their day anyway. I'm sure most employees wouldn't notice if you switch them out to Linux with a Windows look alike skin.

The real problem is that the IT department needs to upgrade all the processes for managing Linux desktops.

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u/Wipfmetz 20h ago

Like in the near future? No, business relies on MS, and that's slow moving. MS is today where IBM was in the 80s.

But mid and distant future? Sure, business can and will likely move on. IBM was in in the 80s where MS is today.

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u/Lashay_Sombra 18h ago

No chance of Microsoft being dead in our lifetime

Most people don't realise the dominance of MS in business plus the ecosystem of software built around that (both by MS and other companies) pretty much guarantees Microsoft survival no matter how much they screw up

And despite all the news articles and predictions by fan boys (30+ years worth), Linux is not going to replace MS any time soon

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u/BrokenPickle7 17h ago

As a Linux loving system administrator for a large corporation you are right. Windows server and backend isn't going anywhere. I wish it would disappear, half of my job is fixing shit with the servers that wouldn't be a problem on Linux.

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u/Professional_Two563 || 5700X | 32GB DDR4 | RX 9070XT || CACHYOS 15h ago edited 15h ago

I can't even count how many times windows updates corrupted the config files for a third party software that we use.

I have to deal with this shit daily recently since the workstations go on rotation on when windows fucks it all up again. They don't update around the same time since some of them had to get paused updates at differnt times because updates corrupted printer drivers, which was fun trying to wrap my head around why the drivers aren't working after a set time after reinstalling, or even resetting the pc.

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u/Mario583a 6h ago

Is it actually fixing shit with the servers or incompetent IT staff?

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u/BrokenPickle7 6h ago

A bit of both but not so much with the servers, we only let a small handful of people that have access to all servers. What breaks most is usually compatibility with older software or updates that decide to go sideways.

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u/VisitOk621 13h ago

Let a man dream

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u/b1argg Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 | 32GB | 1440p144 20h ago

MS has massive amounts of money they can burn for a long time, as long as they keep shareholders happy with the latest buzzwords. They are also very ingrained in the business world, and that won't be ending anytime soon. Although an increasing number of foreign governments, and to a lesser extent businesses, are setting goals of reducing or eliminating dependence on American tech companies. For example, the French government is working on building their own Linux distro for government systems.  

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u/chipface Nobara | Ryzen 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 6000 | 9070 XT 19h ago

The Dutch government too. The targeting of ICC officials probably has them spooked.

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u/Tango00090 19h ago

That’s why they had to raise 85b? The cash flow from 2024 is gone, they are running negative as any other tech company now

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u/Char_Ell 14h ago

How did you determine Microsoft is "running negative?"

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u/Araragi-shi 32 GB DDR5 RYZEN 5 7600X RX 9070XT 11h ago

vibes

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u/Keening99 20h ago

Can just buy and shut down competition. Disgusting behaviour, but still allowed I suppose.

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u/Teriyaki-Tenders 19h ago

That's all big tech.

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u/Strange-Scarcity 14h ago

Much of and potentially all of Europe is scooting toward Linux.

China? I don't believe that they use Windows either.

There could be a point in time, where Microslop, only has a portion of the United States market, maybe some South American nations and a handful of other very tiny markets around the world.

It could happen over the course of the next five to ten years.

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u/b1argg Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 | 32GB | 1440p144 12h ago

That sounds like where American car companies are headed, with most of the world pivoting hard toward smaller EVs and hybrids, while they focus on gas guzzling trucks and large SUVs. 

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u/deviant324 6h ago

I vaguely remember the state of bavaria very recently had a thing where they wanted a new software solution for something and instead of actually putting it out there and getting offers or whatever, they just tailored the whole thing so that only microsoft could actually fulfill what they were asking

I mean it is the dumbest state in our failing country of corrupt morons, this isn’t the only place where politics is committed to fucking us over by choosing the worst option because they get the greatest kickbacks, but it’s very symbolic on where we’re going over here (headon into a wall, debating on who gets their turn at trying to remove the steering wheel)

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u/Shalashaska87B 21h ago

Unlikely. Too many people rely on Microsoft, be it Windows or Office.

Unless AI elements become "mandatory", most people won't even bother.

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u/b1argg Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 | 32GB | 1440p144 20h ago

And MS will always be sure to give enterprise customers more control over the OS, including disabling or restricting AI features. 

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u/vulveveloutee 16h ago

Wich is why I think you're dumb if you're not using such a version of Windows 11 lol

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u/kejok GTX 1660, i7-8700, 16GB 3200 MHz 19h ago

Windows is only fraction of their income revenue. Their most profitable business is in enterprise such as server and cloud computing. Windows and Office practically just their side quest now

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u/HotNeon Desktop 20h ago

No. Microsoft isn't windows. Even without windows it's cloud business would be enormous (although not the largest by any means) it prints money and has a very healthy revenue pipeline.

Windows might drop it's market share over the years and decades but truth be told, it's not the best way to make money these days anyway

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u/Disastrous_Olive_920 20h ago

maybe not very likely but it definitely can happen. Some EU countries already started migrating their administration's software to Linux and I recently heard the same about China with their own linux distro. And I imagine if the government adopt it, corporate will follow soon.

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u/mountainyoo 13700K | RTX 5090 | 32GB DDR5-6400 18h ago

Nope lol

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u/PartialChicken_Wing R7 5700x3d | RTX 4080S | 64GB DDR4 18h ago

The enterprise is where they make the big bucks

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u/Potential-Winner4601 17h ago

Please let this happen

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u/RiftHunter4 16h ago

I used to think that Microsoft would survive the Ai era but it seems like they over-invested. They are barely functioning anymore. Diverting money from hiring to Ai was a huge mistake.

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u/listeningtorainfall AMD 9700X / 32GB / 5070 16h ago edited 16h ago

As long as corporate America (and other countries) exist, they are keeping MS alive mostly since they’re kinda stuck in their ecosystem. Personal use and PC gamers will flock away from MS though in decent numbers in the coming years once SteamOS gets more adapted and grows better, like for me once it gets Nvidia support, I’m fine fully ditching Windows to go on SteamOS and use my MacBook for daily stuff. I work in IT and I personally think MS is too far gone on their plot, Windows for personal use is just in a shit state as 11 is just bloatware with AI and other garbage slowing down performance and they’ll keep corporate users suffering with their expensive subscription models because they know it’s too expensive and time consuming for companies to merge away from the MS ecosystem. I even tell friends and family members if they’re looking for a new computer to give macOS a try if they’re fine learning a new OS for a bit, they’ll be better off hardware reliability wise and dealing with a less shitty OS.

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u/rmpumper 3900X | 32GB | 5070 | 1TB 970 + 2TB 990 + 2x1TB 840 14h ago

Some analysts are considering microslop going bankrupt because of over-investment in this crap. Which is kind of insane for a corpo this size, but it just goes to show you how bad the bubble has gotten.

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u/OSS-Corpo-Shit 8h ago

No. Windows is basically none of their business. As an OS, windows may die from becoming too shit. Maybe. Depends where gaming and productivity goes tbh. As of now, both are firmly entrenched on windows. 

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u/specter_in_the_conch PC Master Race 20h ago

If the keep going this road, yah most likely. Iv been using Linux since early this year and only left a small partition because Adobe and the many years of projects that I have. With the recent art craft release... I can't wait to format that drive clean. Once they ahieve After Effects project opening it's going to be a blast.

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u/I_have_questions_ppl 16h ago

Theyre going to really regret the ai push when people will manage to vibe-code and reverse engineer the Windows OS thanks to ai. Not saying its good but they did bring it on themselves.

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u/TheOneWhoKnocks003 16h ago

We don't even need that, Linux based desktop OSes are already better.

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u/I_have_questions_ppl 16h ago

Oh I agree. I use Kubuntu myself. Im just saying ai can reverse-engineer windows and they should be shitting their pants. And thats a good thing.

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u/Latitude-dimension Ryzen 7 9800X3D RTX 5080 15h ago

I've read on forums about people trying to reverse engineer windows defender to blow it wide open so there's that part of it too.

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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 14h ago

Why use kubuntu? there are so many better options. joke , Kubuntu is the best choice out there.

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u/Araragi-shi 32 GB DDR5 RYZEN 5 7600X RX 9070XT 11h ago

i also love linux but in what way is linux better than windows

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u/999happyhants 11h ago

It’s not, just different. There’s better things and worse things. Saying other wise is fanboyism.

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u/stevecrox0914 10h ago edited 10h ago

My partner was moaning recently about no knowing how to fix our sons Linux desktop, its Debian with KDE.

In this case his microphone wasn't working on Firefox tutoring session.

I pointed her at the speaker widget in the corner, listing active devices in one tab and applications in anouther.

In doing that she saw he had muted his microphone for Firefox.

Then I showed her System setting where every possible setting lives and it has a search bar if you put 'sound' in filters all the options to every setting relating to 'sound'. 

Here a big sidebar option of 'Sound Devices' showed us a much more comprehensive listing of that information, along with theme controls on seperate sidebar options.

Putting 'microphone' filtered the Sound devices tab to only microphone entries and removed the other sidebar options.

Every setting has been rewritten to appear in system settings, using the same UI toolkit, with the same level of labelling.

Last time I used Windows you could still find Windows XP setting menus behind Windows 8 Metro from Windows 11 theming and there is no comparible screen.

If you open the start menu (kickoff) or Krunner tools and put in 'control panel', System settings is the only option returned, same with 'system preferences' and 'control centre'.

Linux is only hard because people decide it is and don't try.

Windows 10 to 11 is a far bigger shift and more complicated than 10 to KDE 6.x

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u/sarcasticphobia 10h ago

No ads, no bloat, no telemetry, basically no viruses, faster, less space use, more stable, free, customizable, lets the user be in control.

Downsides are mainly software compatibility but thats either solved with open source alternatives, web based software or emulation like wine. Gaming has been pretty much solved with steam proton.

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u/Strange-Scarcity 14h ago

Just need reengineering of Windows Calls, so that ANY Windows App will seamlessly and flawlessly operate on Linux.

FAR better than the best branches of WINE currently allow.

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u/the_bananalord 12h ago

"just" is doing some tremendously heavy lifting in this sentence

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u/Strange-Scarcity 12h ago

WINE is already a pretty good re-engineering of many Windows libraries, and calls. It's gotten better and better in recent years too.

It would be great to have the entire Windows "secrets" broken and sussed out so that any Windows application can JUST be installed by clicking on the executable and there's no problem or even minor work needed to be done to configure anything for the application to "just work".

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u/the_bananalord 12h ago

A problem so simple and legally straightforward that we've been solving it for 30 years

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u/Strange-Scarcity 12h ago

Not perfectly.

That’s been the problem.

Can’t run a large slew of engineering CAD applications that have large installed user bases on Linux, for example.

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u/KaseyTheJackal 9950X3D, 128GB of RAM, RX 9070 XT, 2x 4TB NVMe SSD, 2x 24TB HDD 12h ago

Go on, get them running then

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u/the_bananalord 9h ago

Hence why "just do it" is doing heavy lifting

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u/icedcoffeeyumm 15h ago

What we need to do is reverse engineer Windows only software, not the other way around.

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u/RegretFree7723 13h ago

Naah quando il software migrera con la gente

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u/Mathisbuilder75 PC Master Race 5h ago

People are already running the latest Photoshop and even started running Microsoft 365 apps on Wine.

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u/Paradox711 PC Master Race 21h ago

I swear to Christ. Every single update that “fixes” something, breaks something else worse than the last one

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u/Left-Push2440 22h ago

all this "hybrid intelligence routing" just means theyre offloading your telemetry Azure twice as fast while thread scheduling still struggles.

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u/Necessary-Mix-56 21h ago

I imagine someone will reverse engineering Windows soon with AI and we will have free open sorce functional system without bullshit all on completely different code and algorithms - so Microslop end is closer everyday.

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u/Lmaoboobs i9 13900k, 32GB 6000Mhz, RTX 4090 20h ago

Win32 and other frame works are so old and convoluted that I seriously doubt anyone else could meaningfully make the OS more functional if it went open-source tomorrow.

Windows is held together with technical debt.

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u/ProfessionalHefty349 15h ago

Removing technical debt from enormous software systems is exactly where coding AI can be most useful right now.

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u/OSS-Corpo-Shit 7h ago

Windows tech debt can hardly be addressed. Doing so would break backwards compatibility. 

You don’t give businesses a reason to evaluate their relationship with you. 

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u/analogkid01 17h ago

free open source functional system

You mean Linux?

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u/Tiamat2625 i5 12600k - RTX 3080 12GB - 32GB 3600MHz - 1440p165hz 16h ago

No, they said functional

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u/Not_a_question- 15h ago

No, they said functional

Given that linux functions as the backend of the internet, I'm not sure what would be functional according to you.

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u/slickyeat 7800X3D | RTX 4090 | 32GB 21h ago

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u/BigOlFortune 21h ago

Hmm, barely, but kind of, but not really, but sometimes. It's not really that, but it's kind of a thing, but it kind of doesn't, but it's not really what you think it is, but it kind of is. Huh.

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u/b1argg Ryzen 5 5600X | RTX 3070 | 32GB | 1440p144 18h ago

Maybe AI could be used to improve wine

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u/stein89jp 21h ago

Switched to Linux like 2 months ago. Microslop can go slop themselves.

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u/Blze001 PC go 'brrrrrr' 18h ago

About 2-ish years ago for me. I had tried a few times going back to 2008 (aww, I just reminded myself how old I am), but getting games to work was pulling teeth out. Now with Proton 90% of games just... work. Install and play. So nice.

I will say modding can be a bit of a faff still, with how Proton runs everything in a little container, but still.

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u/grilled_pc 21h ago

a 16 months ago for me. People need to stop making excuses and just get it done.

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u/stein89jp 21h ago

Yeah it's so quiet without any ads or Microslop nagging about something to me.

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u/seeliger 21h ago

Which distros are you guys using?

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u/afiefh 21h ago

Been on Linux since mid 2000s (Windows Vista). Here's the reality: grab any big distro like Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint, Arch...etc and you'll be happy. For someone new to Linux it's much more important to figure out which Desktop environment (gnome, KDE plasma, cosmic...etc) works best for you than to quibble over the minute differences between distros.

Once you're comfortable with Linux and know what the different pieces are, and which pieces don't work for you, that's the time to go crazy and figure out if you want an immutable distro, or a different package manager, or rolling release/stable...

Don't let picking the perfect distro prevent you from the obvious improvement. Just grab one you like, dual boot it, and see what works.

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u/the_web_dev 16h ago

It's dishonest telling a non-technical user they'll be happy on linux without also saying they may have to be comfortable with a level of debugging that doesn't happen on windows.

Especially if they're running older hardware, or doing anything like mods over proton etc.

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u/stuzor66 13h ago

Usually the issues come with newer hardware where the drivers and patches haven't been added to the main kernel. Older hardware (unless so old it's been dropped) is usually well supported.

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u/the_web_dev 12h ago

Even you had to add the word "Usually" because you know all kinds of weird shit can happen at the same time.

Two things can be true at the same time. We can praise linux and OSS developers for the amazing and selfless work they do, and we can point out that there are issues that cause even average users to drop into the command line, or look for help on forums, that they would not have had to do on Windows.

Its exactly this "never criticize linux and market it as a drop-in windows replacement" attitude that prevents a large number of issues to go under validated to the ultimate detriment of the platform.

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u/stuzor66 12h ago

I don't speak in absolutes as a general rule of thumb. I was just correcting your statement about older hardware.

Not sure this comment is geared towards me but you sure do seem triggered. Run whatever OS you want. I mean it's a choice of operating system after all. There is much more important things in the world to be getting mad over than this.

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u/simagus 21h ago

Tried most of the main ones and Mint with Cinnamon is my preference.

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u/solarwindfox 21h ago

I use Mint with Cinnamon as my daily driver, and is the distro I would recommend to any Nvidia user with a pre-Turing GPU (e.g. GTX 1080 or earlier, Quadro P-series or earlier) as using those GPUs with any Arch distro is a nightmare these days.

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u/simagus 6h ago

Good point. Didn't think about gen of GPU. ty

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u/Mors_Umbra 5700X3D | RTX 3080 | 32 GB DDR4-3600 MHz 21h ago

I settled on CachyOS with KDE Plasma. Mint with Cinnamon was the runner up of the distros I tried.

If a person is more adverse to tinkering and just want something that works I would go Mint (Ubuntu based) over CachyOS (Arch based).

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u/PsyTripper i7 14700K | ROG RTX4080 OC | 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz 21h ago

This is the reason I'm still on windows 10. I just want to play games, and not try different distros and fiddle with settings. Everygame I tried to play the last 10 years, just boot up no hassle no fuzz. SteamOS is doing there best to be that, but Nvidia support still sucks and I need to be able to play games from outside of steam, like battlenet or a stand alone launcher for like Guild Wars 2 (3 later).

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u/BingpotStudio RTX 4090 | 5800X3D | 32GB Ram 20h ago

I only load my windows machine to play games. I hate using it for anything else.

Mac is a dream to use for day to day.

Linux for my server.

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u/PsyTripper i7 14700K | ROG RTX4080 OC | 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz 20h ago

I only load my windows machine to play games.

Yeah, but for me that would be like 90% of the time. And I'm not fucking around with Linux and dual boot, just to watch Youtube on another OS.

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u/BingpotStudio RTX 4090 | 5800X3D | 32GB Ram 20h ago

Yeah I agree. I’d just use a Mac mini or MacBook instead for that. I don’t see Linux as a daily driver.

I even switched to Mac at work, it’s so much better at loading massive PowerPoints than windows laptops it’s embarrassing and thank god it’s Unix based for coding.

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u/aeline136 21h ago

If none of your games have anti cheats, Bazzite is excellent with my Nvidia cards (3060 12go and 2 old laptops with 1050 and 1080). I replaced windows with Bazzite on my laptops and dualboot Bazzite and W11 on my main computer. Steam games work out of the box, dvd games or pirated ones need to be installed with Lutris which is finicky but doable.

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u/PsyTripper i7 14700K | ROG RTX4080 OC | 64GB DDR5 6400Mhz 20h ago

- If you don't use anticheat

  • How is it running the new cards? 5080
  • dual boot
  • I don't pirate, but there is more out there than Steam (I specified this in my post).
  • Install with Lutris, Finicky but doable.

That is not what I call hassle free. Because on windows, I press install and then play the game. And until there is a linux that is exactly that, I will be on W10 and probably W11 when forced.
I only use my PC for gaming.

I also really don't understand Dual Boot, You still use W11... Just less...

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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS 16h ago

For various reasons, some programs just don't work on Linux even with Wine/Proton. Thus, a dual-boot Windows partition might be necessary specifically to run those programs.

For new Linux users, there's also the peace of mind knowing that ye olde comfortable Windows install is just a reboot away.

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u/aeline136 20h ago

For the newer cards I'm not really sure but when you download Bazzite you have to select which card you have so I assume they are supported as well.

For the dual boot it's only interesting if you have one or two programs that really need windows but you don't use often.

I use Bazzite a lot because there are a lot of tools and small apps that are super easy to install and have no annoying features (ads, bloat etc).

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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS 16h ago

CachyOS for me.

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u/siliconsoul_ 21h ago

Linux Mint (cinnamon) on my Laptop.

Might try Debian+KDE on my PC though, but it's rarely used these days. I turned it on 3 weeks ago to update, and shut it down afterwards.

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u/3PoundsOfFlax 21h ago

Fedora and CachyOS are the two best distros for Windows powerusers IMO. Once you become familiar with the Linux ecosystem, you can try vanilla Arch or my personal end game: NixOS

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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS 16h ago

CachyOS for me.

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u/stein89jp 21h ago

I'm using Arch(btw) with Niri as my DE.

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u/Diuranos 21h ago

dual boot windows only for multiplayer games and cachy os for rest of the games and still I will be using copilot and one drive for my needs, even on Linux.

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u/Tuomas90 18h ago

I switched 1.5 years ago and have no regrets. The performance of Win11 was unusable on old hardware.

It's funny: I bought a new computer 2 months ago and got used to booting into Windows because of gaming. I booted into Linux yesterday and it felt like coming home. It was SO nice! The UI, the UX. It just feels right. I really didn't expect that to happen. I thought it was a "whatever you are used to" kinda thing, but no. I realized: I just love Linux even with its little quirks.

Fuck Micro$lop!

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u/Imperial_Bloke69 Intel Atom N450 21h ago

Windblows 11 breaks more than arch, how ironic.

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u/Not_a_question- 15h ago

True bleeding edge

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u/Hooded_Spectre 17h ago

It's been 8 months for me using cachyos, and I couldn't be happier. Constantly reading about Win 11 issues in the news is really irritating!

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u/Not_a_question- 15h ago

5 months for me. Kubuntu made it so goddamn easy.

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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS 16h ago

Seems like Microslop still views Windows users as a captive audience with nowhere to go.

I encourage everyone to demonstrate how wrong they are.

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u/icedcoffeeyumm 15h ago

They aren't though.

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u/Limbowy 14h ago

So what, there are no other viable os available to people?

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u/AnarchBeetle 1h ago

There are no alternatives available to corporate, which is the customer base Microsoft care about.

Microsoft doesn’t care if gamers use Windows (which they didn’t pay for) or not.

But if corps start switching to Linux or macos en masse it will light a fire under Microsoft’s ass.

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u/CatatonicMan CachyOS 14h ago

The alternatives are there, work fine, and are getting better all the time. The problem is one of user complacency; they keep guzzling down the Microslop because it's the evil they know.

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u/Visara57 5070ti | 7600X | 32GB DDR5 CL28 16h ago

"Say what the customers want, do the opposite" is certainly a business strategy

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u/trollsmurf 14700KF | 32G | 5070 Ti | 2T | U27G4XM + 2x U2412M | Z906 21h ago

I'm wondering: At this point AI should still be a heavy cost for Microsoft, whatever provider they use. It's one thing to sell AI capacity in its cloud offerings. That's selling shovels to opportunists that will generally almost all fail in their endeavours, yet Microsoft gets revenue now. It's another thing to cram it into anything in the Windows and (what I still call) Office experience, that users don't want and is sloppily integrated anyway. Sure, you pay extra for AI in Office (yet many don't know there's an alternative), and you can get a Copilot subscription for corporate use, so in my laymanny opinion Microsoft should focus entirely on the business (including code) side of things and sell optional subscriptions of well-integrated AI assistants for its tools that really help users and not force feed AI. Well, unless of course it somehow is all a data gathering, advertising and surveillance scheme somehow.

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u/radyoaktif__kunefe 19h ago

Wish I could play all of my beloved online games on Linux so i wouldn't have looked back.

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u/Lune_Moooon 15h ago

so is anyone actually expecting for a company that produces AI hardware and software to stop pushing AI into their own OS?

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u/Hot-Government823 16h ago

And then Satya said "it's sloppin' time" and slopped all over the slopping slop

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u/TheDevilsAdvokaat 16h ago

A few days ago I tried to use word online...and it took me to a copilot chat window instead.

I then asked copilot how to access word online..followed the instructions. and yet ANOTHER copilot chat window opened. Even copilot seemed nonplussed by this!

In the end I manage to get word online running, but only bu using the copilot chat. something I never wanted in the first place.

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u/Delta_Version AMD R5 5600H | RTX 3050 Ti 4GB | 32GB RAM DDR4 21h ago

they are not called microslop for nothing

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u/Rare-Industry-504 21h ago

Changed to Linux (Mint) this year because Microslop just can't get their shit together. 

It hasn't been a perfectly smooth transition, but by God is updating stuff easy. 

The update manager is so much nicer than the Microslop version, and you don't need to restart your PC every 5 minutes and watch the installing updates screen when (re)booting.

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u/Pandoras_Fox 7950X3D, RTX 3090, 64GB ram, 70TB storage cluster 8h ago

they'll never fix it as long as people stick to using it (while hoping that it'll get fixed).

just switch to linux already lol

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u/boenklon 7h ago

What distro?

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u/prophetofthepimps 5h ago

Manjaro KDE is dope

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u/Fancy_Awareness6896 4h ago

Mint is great if you don't have the luxury of spending a ton of time up front on a huge learning curve. It works out of the box and can be set up so the GUI is very similar to Windows so your workflow isn't disrupted as much. That does mean that in order to do anything deeper than web browsing and office work, you do need to research that on your own time though. Fortunately, it's based on Ubuntu, which is one of the more beginner-friendly distros (but with some questionable proprietary elements so it's not usually recommended), so there's lots of support.

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u/Ordinary-Cake8510 Intel 14900K | 5060 | 64gb DDR5 7h ago

Switched 58 days ago and will not go back. Other than gaming, I just watch YouTube so, I can do that on anything.

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u/arethesegaythoughts 7h ago

How's the gaming going? This has been my main concern specifically. Also, what distro are you using?

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u/Ordinary-Cake8510 Intel 14900K | 5060 | 64gb DDR5 7h ago

I’m running CachyOS. Gaming has been pretty painless. Only game that I was running that gave me issues was The First Descendant but, was able to figure it out. I use the Cachy Proton and games have run well. I have a 5060 in my new build and loving it even though of course, my 3080 is better. Sucks not being able to run Warzone with my little brother and buddy but, whatever. Halo MCC runs campaign but, I always get kicked as soon as the game starts and have not found a fix. Just installed Halo Project Reclaimer and runs like a dream though so, I’ll get my fix there.

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u/AnythingOk5 21h ago

The event was about the new architecture for chips with unified memory. It's done for local agents. Idk why people had other expectations.

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u/Shezzofreen 21h ago

Well, if they promise i'm totaly on board... /s

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u/JesusDestroyedButt 20h ago

Microsoft don't give a fuck about what we ask tho. They can shove anything down our throats because they know pretty well we're doomed using their OS.

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u/CASpider Linux 17h ago

You don't have to take what Microslop shovels at you. There is another path...

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u/JesusDestroyedButt 16h ago

I dual boot Linux but can't leave Windows behind. And trust me, I'd love to.

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u/boersc 20h ago

Why do you think you're the intended audience for this event? You're not...

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u/Jaxxlack 14h ago

Okay hands up who believes any of these public PR stage talks after decades of open miced up lies?

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u/BirchyBaby 5900x, 3060ti FE, 32Gb @ 4000mhz 11h ago

What they have done to the Office package in the last 24 months will be studied at Grad-level for decades.

Catastrophic destruction of a once useful set of tools that many industries rely on. Slap it all online, make it largely incompatible with SharePoint, bang AI slop all over it, and charge a inflate the monthly fee for the privilege. Tossers.

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u/Treinrukker 8h ago

They got to sell all that ai data center investment some way 🤣

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u/Hithrae 19h ago

I moved all my work stuff to Mac and gaming is looking more and more doable on Linux. One day I hope to fully shed Microslop from my life

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u/Impossible_Aioli3693 16h ago

my mind keeps seeing anything related copilot or ai as handicapped, like having the crapilot key handicaps you from using word delete easily and other rctrl uses, having the copilot running handicaps your ram and cpu giving you less performance, and waste of internet with updates installing more slog

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u/BubbleButtOdiyan 16h ago

Why not debloat and remap the key? I debloated 5 years ago and stuff still hasn't returned

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u/Impossible_Aioli3693 16h ago

remapping with powertoys is bandaid on the artificial issue caused by the idiots at microslop

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u/produit1 18h ago

Lets get to 30% Linux. Microslop is the worst choice imo. I’ve been on mac and linux at home and it couldn’t be more pleasant.

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u/Hrmerder It's Garuda btw 18h ago

Me at y’all who actually fell for Microsoft’s bullshit.

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u/numbplug 21h ago

Yeah right. Now fix win11 already.

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u/I-do-the-art 21h ago

Microslop at it again lmao

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u/owlexe23 21h ago

Out of touch, out of reality.

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u/JaggedMetalOs 19h ago

Hey vibe coding reverse engineers, can you make a good version of Windows next please? 

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u/Maleficent_Price_476 17h ago

At this point , I won't be surprised if we will be launching an desktop OS through a web browser on a android tablet come next year considering how fast we are getting this done by AI coding . ( GTA 5 on a web browser for instance )

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u/AgitatedStove01 17h ago

I’m a tech writer by trade and watching this was absolutely painful. Usually with events like this I have to watch them to prepare for whatever product is coming down the pipeline and translate the speak into something that the normal person would understand.

That being said, this felt like Microsoft attempting to be Apple. They had a bunch of information front loaded that literally burned folks out so quickly that I watched viewership decline in real time by the thousands.

After around 20 minutes of nonsense there was the reveal of the Surface Laptop Ultra and that was all of ten minutes. Then a fireside chat with a bunch of the shovel salesman going on about how the product and tech is wonderful.

Who was this event even for in the first place? It’s a consumer focused item and then they tailored the entire presentation to the biggest tech grift of all time! Abysmal presentation.

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u/Stiddles 17h ago

Microslop

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u/Former_Debt1106 17h ago

At this point, they are just burning money for the sake of it.

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u/Melikoth 16h ago

People: We didn't ask for more Microslop!

Microslop: Let me talk to Henry Ford about your new horse.

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u/Soleks2000 5700x3d/9070xt 15h ago

Microsoft pulling a jensen with most of their speeches are just ai buzzords

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u/ArmandvdM 15h ago

And all we really want is Outlook with a search engine that actually works…

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u/Zomunieo 14h ago

Steve Jobs has been dead for 15 years and Microsoft’s presentations still ape his format.

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u/overdosingOnPie1313 14h ago

You all are so cute and innocent. You really think that M$ simply not talking about LLMs means they're going to shove less LLMs in your face.

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u/SwiftGamez96 12h ago

Using your infuence to project interest to try to eatablish an appetite to the broader audience. Repitition is enough to convince the simple minded that it's good.

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u/lord_mercernary 10h ago

Wish they would add a better darker dark mode like windows 10 had

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u/Far-Hovercraft9471 7h ago

They’ll just say whatever so we shut up temporarily

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u/joeyat 7h ago

Where's Dave Cutler when you need him...

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u/mvw2 5h ago

I have never had a worse Windows experience than now. It's not just Windows either. It's other Microsoft software. Outlook has been wildly bad on many occasions to the point of literally not functioning. There have been several occasions where I had to go to Classic just to, you know, write an email because I actually couldn't do that for like a month on one release because the half screen for the new email was permanently minimized and could not be unminimized. Restarting the program, restarting the PC, didn't matter. That error last for weeks, literally couldn't perform half the function of a email program, lol.

I've used Outlook for 15 years. I have never seen such garbage come out of Microsoft before this last year. Holy hell, they're spewing out some real trash.

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u/Melodic_Crow_3409 4h ago

I feel the 90s through the end of the 2000s were the glory days to be working at Microsoft. Now, it would kind of suck since they are focused on nothing other than AI. I suppose pay and stock would be good.

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u/kabooozie i7 8700 | GTX 1080 | 8 GB 4h ago

Cachy OS, here I come.

Gaming was the only thing keeping me on windows. Goodbye microslop

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u/Relevant-Line-1690 3h ago

Windows 11 is absolute dog shit so many problems with it than any other os including vista

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u/0Tezorus0 42m ago

They just can't help themselves. They invested so much in ai that they need to try to pave something with it. It's absurd.

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u/Snotnarok AMD 9900x 64GB RTX4070ti Super 21h ago

"So we know AI hasn't been great for anyone and we know that the public objectively hates AI. But also that AI has made everyone's lives worse with increased hardware prices for PC, console, phones alike but also data centers makes peoples lives worse with severe noise, water usage and pollution but also increased power bills ( that Microsoft and other AI companies don't pay) But also we promised we'd do things to make our OS better. . .

Anyway AI will make your life better and - why are you booing? AI is good for you! Listen, turn on subtitles so you can hear us over the data center 3 towns over!

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