r/SquaredCircle • • 22h ago

Max Caster Speaks on TNA Situation

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DebtTvcxupS/

Max put out a video on his Instagram speaking directly on the TNA situation this morning.

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u/MuptonBossman 22h ago

Max may be a shithead at times, but I don't really put the blame on him here... TNA should've known what they were getting into when they signed him, and I thought his rap was pretty tame, all things considered. I feel for him now, especially because he's going to have a hard time getting back to a major promotion.

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u/Wolfstigma Dragon screw that big bitch 22h ago

Guys look I bought a cool venom spitting cobra!

AH FUCK MY EYES

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u/nachoiskerka 22h ago

geez, santino's really upped the gimmick....

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u/4everdrowninginpools 21h ago

what gimmick? ....That wasn't an actual cobra in the ring!?

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u/ChaddestKroeger 21h ago

Fucking love that move, back when I played the WWE games it was always my finisher. Except for me I put a big goose on my arm and would shout HONK really loud whenever id hit it on my friends.

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u/Current_Poster 21h ago

"UNLEASH THE HONKAMETERRR!"

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u/ChaddestKroeger 21h ago

The only issue is if it was a multi-man match, one of my friends would always interrupt it. Just made those moments of hitting it so much sweeter

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u/WhaleYellM-E-Ydoncha 15h ago

“You have a big mouth John Chayna.”

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u/ManyOts 20h ago

THE HONKEY HONKEY MAN!!

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u/ChaddestKroeger 20h ago

Man, why did I never just steal the Honky Tonks look but keep my goose. If for some reason in our 30's me and my friends decide to pick it up again. I will 100% be bringing back the goose but in a honky tonk outfit. Thank you my friend.

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u/DealerTokes Follow the Buzzwords! 21h ago

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u/ChaddestKroeger 20h ago

I am confused, does this guy u/LastBlueHero want a Honk off? Because I will give him one. Its been a few years but the old girl still has some goose in her.

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u/DearestPalmcat 20h ago

the old girl still has some goose in her

i love you so fucking much for this

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u/Resident__Cat 19h ago edited 18h ago

Imagine Santino and his 'cobra' against Jake Roberts and his actual snake.

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u/quirkyblah38 22h ago

AH FUCK MY EYES

WHAT DO I SEE

A COBRA FUCKIN SPAT AT ME

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u/nerdgeekdorksports 20h ago

LIKE MUSSOLINI

OR KENNEDY

A COBRA FUCKIN SPAT AT MEEEEEEEE

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u/666-sharks 21h ago

You don't have, to, follow meeeee

Jesus Christ, I can not seeee 🎶

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u/rufus-shackleford 21h ago

I sang this in my head

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u/Wishpool 21h ago

I continued with the guitar too lmao

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u/Black_Metallic 20h ago

This is why I still enjoy Reddit.

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u/JohnnyAverageGamer 20h ago

In the words of Booker T: "can you trust a snake? Yes you can trust a snake! You can trust a snake to BITE YOU IN THE ASS MAN AHH YES VIC"

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u/hbkdinobot 22h ago

TNA literally promoted it on social media until all the “outrage” (aka TKO)

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u/stationagent 22h ago

Bingo. Can't upset the partners.

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u/NightFire45 21h ago

Those visit Riyadh ring mats were in jeopardy.

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u/DotComMoralist 22h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/sIlHfE2wu1xFS

You know who heard that bar and lost it

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u/Hydrus2CZ 21h ago

Probably not HHH but a TKO exec or some such.

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u/QuietSilentArachnid 21h ago

I don't think HHH would feel threatened by it lol

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u/HokageEzio 21h ago

Why would you possibly think Triple H cares about that?

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u/Imabuffguy95 18h ago

I don't think this is out of the ordinary. Social media team just wants to put clips out ASAP. It isn't until a higher up sees the show and goes "wait what the fuck did he just say?" do they go to the social media team and tell them to take it all down.

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u/Structure-These 22h ago

I feel like they have to have told him to do something edgy to get clicks and then they are playing dumb that he did something edgy

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u/notatrashperson 22h ago

It’s not even edgy! I feel like I’m losing my mind, like there wasn’t a song literally called bombs over Baghdad

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u/Frzzalor 21h ago

well, bombs over bagdad isn't a reference to a terrorist attack that happened a week ago

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u/Curious_Orange8592 21h ago

Right, this is comparable to the Muhammed Hassan situation right after 7/7

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u/Union_5-3992 20h ago

Yeah but Max made the rap after the attack. Didn't the Muhammed Hassan thing get taped prior to 7/7? Max was directly referencing a very recent incident.

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u/nunboi 17h ago

You mean like Stephanie's rah rah speech on the Smackdown after 9/11 with her grossly comparing the events to what her family went through during the steroid trial?

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u/Absolute--Batman 16h ago

One of the most disgusting things Stephanie has ever done and her list is endless!

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u/warmbutterydiapers 15h ago

Lmfao I had forgotten about that shit, these people are insane

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u/knf262 21h ago

It’s also an anti-war song.

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u/Mrcool20xx Everybody loves Raymond Mysterio 21h ago

Is it? It not even a war song in my opinion. The baghdad line a non sequitor, just something that Andre heard on the radio and liked the sound of.

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u/acekingoffsuit 21h ago

That Night in Hawaii When I Heard Someone Say "Bombs Over Baghdad" on the Radio and I Started Making These Low Register Purring Tones That I Couldn't Control ... Sh¥t Was Wild

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u/notatrashperson 20h ago

No…it’s not? Like what war do you think it’s in opposition to? The one that ended 7 years before it came out or the one that started 3 years later?

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u/marciii1986 Better Than Perfect 20h ago

Because anti war songs only take position oppose to wars that are happening at the moment and not in general.

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u/notatrashperson 19h ago

Can you quote the lines in the song that are about being anti war? Is it the ones about sitting in a drop top soaking wet? Or maybe the one that’s like we get crunk stay drunk at the club?

Or is it maybe that the song is basically your standard OutKast song and “bombs over Baghdad” is just a line that they thought sounded cool

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u/RanchPonyPizza Where else would one hear voices? 20h ago

Here are the lyrics, all of 'em. I don't think there's any combat subtext to the song.

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u/AnimalCrackBox 21h ago

WWE continued a show after a man died at ringside. Cena announced the US military killing bin Laden on live TV. AEW plays a theme song with “why is nobody killing the rich in their homes, is your hate pretend?” Every week and has done spots involving hanging from a chain, plastic bag attempted murder etc.

Death violence and destruction is part of the DNA of wrestling but we are going to pretend it’s a problem now because it happened to reference the guys cutting TKOs paychecks.

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u/Structure-These 21h ago

I don’t think everything needs to be so black and white. It’s ok to just say it’s in poor taste to make light of a terror attack that took place a few days ago but the promotion probably should take some responsibility for this too

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u/NightFire45 20h ago

It's very black and white. He fucked with the money. Those visit Riyadh ring mats were in jeopardy. I'm sure if he'd said bombing Sanaa I'd be okay. Hell if he'd made a line about killing Ansar Allah he'd be on the WWE main roster now.

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u/funfun151 21h ago

Prototheme really is lyrically wild.

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u/WearingABear 20h ago

"Would you die for your job now?" is a line that hits so hard for literally everybody but a professional wrestler, whose answer I just have to assume is a simple yes.

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u/SomedudecalledDan 21h ago

A daily listen for me, its such a fun song with some very... interesting lyrics.

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u/mayoconquest 21h ago

WWE deserves a ton more flak than they ever got for what they did after Owen's death. Max Caster also deserves flak for his insensitive rap right after an airport bombing.

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u/kabent01 21h ago

The show continuing after the death of Owen Hart is generally seen as bad move. It was a real tragedy that happened right in front of the audience and pretending it didn't happen was and is seen as disrespectful to trauma of those who witnessed it and disrespectful to Owen.

Pro wrestling is generally a melodramatic performance of conflict. It's escapism. Normal social rules do not apply. But when real tragedies are referenced within the parameters of wrestling's kayfabe it needs to be handled with concern for those effected. You wouldn't walk into your friend's mother's funeral and start cracking "Your Mama..." jokes, would you?

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u/Briak You are all constipated! 18h ago

Cena announced the US military killing catching and compromising to a permanent end bin Laden on live TV

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u/Structure-These 21h ago

It was edgy and in poor taste, but we’re talking pro wrestling here. A bunch of people died in a terror attack and it’s probably better to just shy away from that topic in general, again its pro wrestling and folks aren’t big on nuance in this little weird slice of a hobby

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u/repoman042 21h ago

ya ever.. listened to that song? What a stupid comparison

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u/heartbreakhill Alexa, play Superman by Goldfinger 18h ago

Tyler the Creator fucking killed that song at the RnRHOF if you haven’t seen it

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u/Environmental_Lie478 22h ago

They did know what they were getting. They even promoted what they were getting on their socials. It was all good until they were told differently. Really lame of them to say yeah we're happy to go with this, and then when it backfires they just fire Max as if they had zero blame.

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u/MARKYMARK_MARK 22h ago

Tna deserves a good share of the blame but Max is a grown man that has had this issue a few times already. He knows the risks of his actions.

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u/HartfordWhalers123 21h ago edited 20h ago

Yeah like TNA was dumb to trust Max with rapping.

But I don’t think people realize that Max is also a 37 year old man.

He isn’t some newbie and he’s been through this many times where he’s gotten in trouble for it in AEW.

It’s hard to feel bad for him when he’s been warned and even banned from rapping so many times. He’s been given so many chances.

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u/theredditbandid_ 20h ago

He’s been given so many chances.

But also, what do you want him to do? Go out there and rap sterile shit that is guaranteed to never ever offend someone?

Yes, bro made his bed and he is fully taking responsibility and not playing victim.. but that's his character. Someone who pushes the envelope. 

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u/Drama79 Guess I'm back 17h ago

I think there’s shades of grey - you could argue MJF used to call everyone a cuck and was colossally offensive, and tuned it to never punch down, take it back a hair but still have it be his schtick.

I think Max knows what gets him booked, but can’t adjust it in a way that feels credible to him.

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u/Such_Independent2426 19h ago

Any halfway competent company hiring Max Caster of all people would full well know his history of pushing the line and have him run his script by them first. This is 95% on TNA being incompetent if they really didn't know

More likely, they knew and just didn't care until WWE came crying

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u/UsidoreTheLightBlue 21h ago

Eh.

Its both.

Max should have never said what he said, it was stupid. I get "THE HEAT" or whatever but it was fucking stupid on his part.

TNA also should have known better. Its already been an issue with Max in the past and they should have asked what he planned to say before he walked out.

In the end max said the words, he should have known better. I don't think you can absolve him at all.

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u/Volt-Ikazuchi 21h ago

That's the worst part. What heat? Did the crowd even react?

Riyadh is very, very far away from the US and mostly disconnected from the fans in general, so it wouldn't get a split-second reaction as if he said that the local sports team bombed instead.

Just a stupid move across the board. High-risk, low reward.

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u/SpartanXIII Are you ready to enter hell? 20h ago

as if he said that the local sports team bombed instead

Mass booing "I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE HARLEY JARVIS"

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u/RossTheLionTamer 21h ago

I say this sincerely, if Saudis weren't rich, he'd be given a slap on the wrist and everyone would move on.

That said, i think Max should get out of the mindset of using real life events as his inspiration. It's the cheaper way to be 'cool'

He should focus on insulting his opponents instead

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u/Final-Read-3589 18h ago

This is even anything to do with Saudis’ more that he made an line about a recent attack on their airport.

A bit like when 7/7 happened

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u/mariogolf 22h ago

mlw will sign him. they would love this kind of pr.

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u/ThatKehdRiley 22h ago

this is far from the first time hes gotten in trouble for his raps, hard for me to feel bad for the guy at this point.

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u/Obvious_Feedback_894 22h ago

So what I'm hearing is TNA should've been clearly aware of who they were hiring and what his schtick is.

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u/arabian-nightmare9 19h ago

It’s not tame; actual people have died

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u/BZGames 22h ago

NWA would definitely take him, and he’d be in me of their biggest names so they’d kinda have to push him as well. No way he can get anything that pays as well as TNA or AEW.

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u/wxursa 22h ago

does TNA actually pay these days? MLP might pay more.

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u/BZGames 21h ago

I mean I’m assuming that TNA pays more than NWA, not more than AEW

MLP might pay more, but I doubt they’d sign Caster.

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u/LoudKingCrow 21h ago

Wouldn't MLP pay in Canadian dollars?

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u/TheAccursedHamster 19h ago

They're both to blame. Both should have known better.

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u/TLKv3 Fantasy Book For ^Vote 21h ago

I hope Max can find a way to iterate on his rap gimmick so he tones down the edginess and gets more creative with insulting his opponents' characters more than pop culture.

Save those lines for PPV entrances or really big moments.

That being said, I hope he can find somewhere that'll let him be his gimmick without fear. But at this point I don't think there's any major promotions that will risk it anymore.

Could see him maybe landing in MLP though.

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u/CorpseGirl_UwU 16h ago

Save those lines for PPV entrances

This was a ppv

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u/Necessary-Safe-2802 19h ago

Downside of having a edgy teenager gimmick into your 40s,

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u/Tornado31619 22h ago

TL;DW: Caster apologised for letting his peers down and understands why he was let go. He doesn't apologise for people being offended though, and says he normally perceives any attention as good, but he gets that there are consequences.

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u/StylishMrTrix 22h ago

Which makes sense from a wrestling heel, as that's what they are meant to do

Hell look back at some of the best heels, they've said worse stuff that's personal to their opponents or the town they are in

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u/supergooduser 20h ago

Roddy Piper was in Mexico City and said he was going to play the Mexican National Anthem on the bag pipes and proceeded to play La Cucaracha and nearly caused a riot.

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u/Ochovarium There's no fucking Leap Year?! 20h ago

Absolute legend.

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u/Artistic_Ask_2282 20h ago

Modern fans are such pussies they would’ve got the vapors over it.

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u/BobbyBruceBanner 17h ago

I mean, he got fired because TNA ostensibly still has a relationship with WWE, not because fans were especially pissed off, I think.

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u/Jakefmerch 16h ago

100% and they don't even really have much of a relationship anymore. Just WWE exerting control.

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u/JonasAlbert84 Just remember ALL CAPS 18h ago

Shit he also said Mr T wore more chains than his ancestors.

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u/JadrianInc 19h ago

Double J threw tortillas into the crowd.

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u/Ohellmotel 11h ago

In his defense(?), he was also absolutely shitfaced.

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u/SomeCountryFriedBS 17h ago

Roddy was very, very comfortable using race for heat.

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u/drinfernodds 69 me, Don! 19h ago

Steve Corino called Tajiri a racial slur to his face during an ECW show before getting kicked in the head.

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u/RA576 21h ago

CM Punk kayfabe covered himself in Paul Bearer's ashes after William Moody died.

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u/TheSpiritualAgnostic 17h ago

Heels aka villains are characters in a story you root against and cheer for the face/hero to defeat.

If they're saying and/or doing something that makes the audience angry/upset, that means they're being effective.

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u/TrillerVerse 22h ago

Would caveat that he said it’s never his intention to upset anyone. I think, although he’s not said sorry to those hurt by this, he’s just reiterating that Max Caster the wrestler is a character that he wants to be entertaining not hurtful.

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u/TheGentlemanBeast 16h ago

I don't think anyone was hurt by this. I think it's just more bot farm, rage culture, bull shit.

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u/ThrillWalton 22h ago

I don't think he really apologized, it really just seemed like a "You pay me to do what I do and I did what I did." It came off more as an accepting of accountability, which credit to him for doing versus throwing anyone under the bus. But I also could see how someone in TNA or someone who vouched for him would be like, "Come on man."

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u/Conspiranoid Enjoy a pro wrestle! 21h ago

Also, he didn't do it to offend, he never does it to offend, but won't apologise for offending.

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u/Worth-Chemistry5253 ❤️🐾Perros Del Mal🐾❤️ 22h ago

Tna will probably bring him back when it all dies down…it’s tna they brought back Tessa and didn’t fully shut down the idea of bringing back Masha. At least he apologized Unlike the previous two 

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u/wxursa 22h ago

Doubtful. Plenty of folks at the level of Max around. That said, Max is gonna be fine, plenty of feds at the level of TNA, and Max from a rich family and made good bank in AEW.

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u/Easy_Action_1380 21h ago

Plenty of feds at the level of TNA

Name one. Cause all the other American promotions I can think of are not close to even TNA's level.

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u/g-breh 21h ago

I wouldn't say it's on the same level, but GCW isn't too far behind them, if only in terms of popularity. Obviously there is still a fairly large gap between the two, via global reach, TV deals, partnerships, etc.

I thought Max at TNA would be the perfect place for him to shine, but MLW is probably gonna be his destination now.

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u/wxursa 21h ago

MLW/NWA are close to TNA's level.

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u/ze1and0nly 20h ago

They are definitely not. Tna is definitely a distant third, but there's a large distance to anyone else after that. No other company has a national TV deal on a major network besides the big 2 and TNA . 

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u/DevelopmentLegal8312 20h ago

MLW and NWA are def not close to TNA’s level.

TNA has a national TV deal, bunch of big sponsors, and bigger names.

MLW has no national TV deal and NWA has one with a bad timeslot. Both don’t get as much attention as TNA does and it ain’t like TNA gets massive amount of attention. I say that as TNA fan.

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u/CanIGetANootNoot 18h ago

It's a smaller audience but TSN airs MLP in Canada, that's another option for him.

Obviously not on the same level as TNA

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u/nunboi 17h ago

Interestingly MLP would assume that Max left AEW in their good graces considering how close those two companies are.

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u/judesantos 20h ago

MLW does not have a national TV deal. Sure there's Comet for NWA but that's not a much attention

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u/SailorMooonsault 21h ago

"Plenty of feds at the level of TNA" I'm curious - which? MLW and GCW?

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u/SternSternButFair Shut the fuck up 21h ago

Not as long as TNA is cucked by WWE and WWE is cucked by the saudi blood money

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u/FabulousFlavio 21h ago

I could see him going to MLW. But I doubt he'll go back to TNA, was anyone even actually mad? I don't think I saw anything... I just assumed WWE told TNA to get rid of him because they're "partners" and WWE is close with Saudi

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u/Worth-Chemistry5253 ❤️🐾Perros Del Mal🐾❤️ 21h ago

It wasn’t WWE. It was another partner of theirs. Some company in Qatar 

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u/Nice-Chart-6749 20h ago

They’ve a partnership with a promotion in Qatar. 

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u/DublinDown . 21h ago

The story that I heard was that TNA was getting a bunch of angry replies on Twitter about it from upset Saudis. I don't know.... seems like a stretch.

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u/Intrepid-Product-367 22h ago

TNA should really be getting more blowback over this. We'll probably never know for sure if they approved the line, if he told them in advance, if he went off script... Whatever. It doesn't even matter that "Max is known for controversy, they should have known". All of that is to the side.

What we do know is they went out of their way to promote this on socials - showing absolutely zero problem with it - and then dropped his ass like a hot potato once the international calls started coming in. Pretty ridiculous that they get to have it both ways.

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u/Ferahgost Please Somebody Hinder Jinder 22h ago

TNA is already considered a joke, not much that can really blowback on them at this point.

Like, were you surprised this happened in the first place? Of course not, cause TNA gonna TNA

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u/Illuminati_Shill_AMA That's so Taven! 19h ago

"Ugh my party was ruined. I invited Floor Shitter Johnny and he shit in my living room floor."

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u/heartbreakhill Alexa, play Superman by Goldfinger 18h ago

The Browns is The Browns

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u/Horror_Sail 20h ago

We'll probably never know for sure if they approved the line

We already know. Max Caster did that rap at, what 7pm on the 11th? For a live PPV on which surely everyone running TNA is either in gorilla or in the suite. They post it to every social media page they have. It suddenly gets pulled at like 10-11am the next morning.

WWE's faster about erasing embarrassing segments (see: Joe Hendry concert). Netflix is faster about censoring nothingburgers. TNA was completely fine with it until somebody with money told them they had to pull it

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u/LilyWhiteClaw 21h ago

You're probably right. But they are suffering from all the attention from Bound for Glory going to this rather than Leon Slater becoming their youngest world champion ever

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u/EndOfDays2525 22h ago edited 21h ago

Felt like a genuine apology. He owned up to it, understood why he was let go and made it clear he wasnt trying to hurt anyone. That his raps are just for entertainment and getting a response out of people. It appears he understands its not up to him whether it offends someone in the process. I was really rooting for Max, as I was someone who still saw a ton of potential in a longer Acclaimed run. Hope he lands on his feet.

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u/Perfect-Zebra-3611 22h ago

Nah you can say whatever you want about edgelord comedian types and what not, but 9/10 this happens they scream and shout how they've been canceled and turn right wing and go crazy. Hell fuckin yeah Max stood on business and is respecting the consequences of his actions of being a edgy comedian. It happens but for him to take it on the chin like this makes my respect for him go through the roof.

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u/NYJetLegendEdReed 20h ago

I felt the same way. The fact he's just owning up to it all made me respect him a lot.

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u/FeniaBukharina Trans Rights 17h ago

Always loved Max, and honestly fuck with him even more for standing on business about this and not being a grifter chud about it.

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u/FMChainsawTeddy She's only 95 pounds! 22h ago

Completely reasonable follow-up response from him. Hope he does well.

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u/mrbubbamac 22h ago

Full transcript for those who don't have instagram or just want to read it.

Max: Just to address all the TNA stuff, I want to say thank you to Carlos Silva, I talked to him in person, he was very generous, very professional even after all this stuff happened and I understand why he did what he did. It's his show, he's gotta protect TNA , and uh, I went too far for him. I wanna apologize to him and everybody else in the office, I want to apologize to anyone who vouched for me to get that spot, I feel like I let those people down. Thank you to Moose for sharing your platform with me, and uh, I wish things didn't turn out the way they did, but i m proud of that match and I'm sorry for how things have ended up.

And for everyone who is offended, I just want everybody to know that when I do these raps, it's never to offend people, it's only to entertain. So in my mind, its entertainment value first. And then, if you're offended by it, that's your right. So, I can't apologize for anyone being offended, but just know that it's not my intention to make people upset. If it gets a reaction, I think I did my job. It's a very relevant part of the show, and highly talked about, so I feel good about that. But the consequences of everything, I'm accepting that. I can accept the facts of that. And then to anybody asking if I'm good, I'm good. I'm just embarrassed how all this happened, its, y'know, you don't want it to be one match and then you get fired. But again, that's the reality of the situation. I am accepting it, and uh, that's life. And in life, sometimes you gotta man up and just accept it and move on. So whatever's next, I don't know, but, we'll see. Thank you everybody who is reaching out and supporting me.

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u/NYJetLegendEdReed 22h ago

I don't really put all the fault on Max here. Like TNA knows his gimmick, they expected a rap. Not clearing anything beforehand seems like their responsibility. Max is a bonehead and has gotten in trouble in the past so I get that side of it, but I do feel bad for him in a way.

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u/EllieDai I didn't wait 10 years to lose to Dusty's kid. 22h ago

This is like hiring Steven King to write a short story and being annoyed he wrote a horror piece. That fuck did they think he was gonna do?

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u/ShoryukenFTW 22h ago

Shit, can't watch video right now but I'm really curious. Can anyone please give me the skinny?

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u/Lt_Jonson 22h ago

Thanks Carlos Silva for the opportunity, understands why they did what they did, apologizes to those that vouched for him and feels like he let them down, is proud of the match, says his raps are done for entertainment value and he doesn’t do it to offend people. Says he can’t apologize for people being upset because it’s their right, but he does it with entertainment first in mind and doesn’t intend to offend anyone, and he accepts the consequences of his actions. He’s good, but he’s embarrassed, and he doesn’t know what’s next for him.

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u/Longjumping-Crab-48 22h ago

He basically apologized to TNA, thanked them/Moose and said he was embarrassed it happened and accepting of the outcome.

He did add that he couldn't apologize to anyone that was offended by the rap, adding that his intention is to entertain and not offend, but he understands if people were offended

Said he was doing good despite being unhappy it was a 1 and done, apologized to those that vouched for him to get that spot, and doesn't know what's next at this time

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u/Werewolf-Jones 22h ago

TNA went way over the top by outright firing him for doing the thing he was obviously going to do. AEW reacted by suspending him a few times, getting him sensitivity training, and they have a much larger platform to worry about than fucking TNA does. I hope they take a step back and bring Max back on. His brand is to roll in battle rap type lines, things that make the crowd react with shock, and that's inherently going to cross the line here and there; there are better ways to handle that than immediately firing him after initially promoting the hell out of his rap on social media.

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u/rayquan36 20h ago

AEW has different "global partners" than TNA.

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u/cavegrind 21h ago

Suspended only once.

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u/mrbubbamac 22h ago

It's very refreshing to see someone on a social media post speak and act like an adult. Based on this post Max seems to have a solid life mindset

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u/josephus1811 22h ago

Valid logical response. I look forward to an emotionally intelligent response from the wrestling fandom and broader online community.

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u/imdatboy786 21h ago

Good response to the “controversy”. Understood why they “let him go” and took accountability for it.

First wrestler I’ve seen in years that understands being a heel too. It’s character work. You say shit so people dislike you. The internet dislikes him. Job done.

Internet fans are yet to understand a core foundation of the business lol, but that’s neither here nor there. Hope he rebounds at NWA or MLW, somewhere else that’s willing to fully take on Max Caster’s gimmick.

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u/kb1117 22h ago

Caster said something that seemingly ticked off TNA, its TV partners, business partners and based on Mustafa Ali's tweet, talent. Dude had no choice but to take it on the chin and apologize. I hope he's learned a lesson. Fightful's basically making it sound like he went rogue and didn't get the line cleared. Yes, TNA should have "known what they were getting" but Max also needs to have the maturity to go "you know, big opportunity for me, maybe I shouldn't rap about a bombing that happened yesterday."

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u/HarjivS 21h ago

did Max’s rap tick off TNA or did the backlash tick off TNA? I bet no one even said anything to him afterwards about it at the show, because they had no problem putting it all over their socials for 12+ hours. But once they get heat for it, it’s somehow a moral issue that raised eyebrows

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u/paitenanner 21h ago

I agree with this. This was a ESH situation, and I hope Max at least learns from it and grows.

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u/Smarkysmarkwahlberg 21h ago

Handled it perfectly imo

Didn't apologize to those he offended, but apologized to those he thought he let down. Props to him.

He'll be okay, somewhere will pick him up

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u/TheeIlliterati 22h ago

Basic TL;DR: He thanks Carlos Silva and Moose for the opportunity. Understands why TNA fired him. Says the rap wasn't intended to offend. Says he's okay.

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u/VanWylder 21h ago

WhatCulture: Max Caster SHOOTS on Carlos Silva, Moose, TNA, everyone who was offended, and his own mental health.

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u/DieFanboyDie 22h ago

He's not an idiot. But someday, SOMEDAY, wrestlers are going to learn that "getting heel heat" isn't a pass to do and say whatever you want. Pro wrestling is its own little world, but that little world still lives in the real world, and some things cut across the veil of performance, things like gravity, physics, and tragedy.

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u/AmountNew2152 22h ago

He’s could make money with the controversy but I don’t think he’s the CZW type.

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u/Lukexxxi 22h ago

Do CZW pay anyone "crazy money"?

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u/AmountNew2152 22h ago

hell they don’t even pay Crazy Bread money.

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u/nachoiskerka 22h ago

crazy bread? in this economy?

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u/DustyStar222 22h ago edited 22h ago

CZW was the first major promotion Caster worked for and he worked there for a while

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u/Mr_Bumple 22h ago

He’s got a proven history of getting things ove, and the indie scene is lacking in names who are in their prime. If he’s willing to grind then he could do very well.

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u/VampiresWontHurt 22h ago

Very measured, mature, and apologetic. 

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u/TrillerVerse 22h ago

He seems genuinely upset and embarrassed by the fiasco. I think he got it wrong; but I also don’t buy this ‘cancer’ talk. He seems to be popular/friendly with MJF and Statt and other wrestlers over the years, and the Bowens work has seemed to been overblown into people believing that Bowens dislikes Max. People have done a lot worse in the wrestling business, and I hope he can get another shot on national TV.

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u/rampagenumbers 21h ago

As is their cosmic want, WWE comes out looking worst in all of this. Firing him only further plants “don’t mess with our blood money” into the heads of fans, talent, staff and partners. They’re still hoping to put on a show in Riyadh weeks from now and are willing to put the roster at risk to do so. That is what they don’t want people thinking too hard about right now.

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u/FigureFourWoo Ric Flair was still cool when I chose this username. 20h ago

I’m sure it wasn’t his intention to offend anyone but it just shows poor judgment if he thought the minuscule heat or pop for that line would be worth it. 13 people just died and it’s still way too fresh to be cutting cheeky lines about it, especially when TNA is affiliated with the company Saudi Arabia is paying billions to for entertainment.

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u/BantamsTravelling 22h ago

He'll be back in a few months time, with a watch my mouth kinda gimmick. Doors seem rarely shut for anyone with heat in TNA.

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u/Beach-Bumm 20h ago

This started well, but doubling down on saying the thing he shouldn’t have said is probably not the look to go for here!

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u/yarash wwfoldschool 22h ago

Sooo. GCW?

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u/Khaiweee_ 22h ago

People say this as a joke nowdays but i honestly hope he lands at MLW

I think he would be a solid addition to their roster

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u/TheJasonaut 22h ago

Say what you will, this was a pretty mature and rational response. I'm glad he addressed it, probably had to if he wanted a better chance to work elsewhere.

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u/Mick_E_Bobby 22h ago

This was a good statement. Hope he gets an opportunity down the road.

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u/JohnnyMayhem 21h ago

Bring him to GCW and let him do whatever he wants.

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u/buzzkill_ed 21h ago

Let's go Max you're the best wrestler alive let's go Max you're

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u/Fidel_Costco Fashion Icon 21h ago

I still like Max a lot. As much as I've been ragging on him, I hope he's successful.

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u/Status_Raise_9949 20h ago

Joke of a company.

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u/Starks NATTY ICE 19h ago

Apology was more for TNA. Riyadh and KSA was not included. Intentional?

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u/datamatr1x 16h ago

I love Max. I'll die on that hill. He did nothing wrong.

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u/meetatdawn 22h ago

Looks like Brian Myers helped him with a response finally. Both sides are really stupid.

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u/xychosis Bext In The World 22h ago

I’m surprised he took one for the team for TNA here tbh, I thought for sure maybe he might say something along the lines of “this was something I had the office cleared before I said it”, no, he’s just sorry for going too far.

I don’t really like Caster all that much these days, but that was rather professional of him. I also do understand why he didn’t apologize for the comment itself, just that it’s not a good look.

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u/sourfoot_sails 21h ago

Eddie’s in HELL

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u/Odd-Purchase-9711 21h ago

If notorious racist tessa Blanchard can be welcomed back with open arms to chants of "shes a racist" theres a chance we'll see Caster back again one day 

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u/Bchange51 21h ago

Yes max. I was very entertained by your line in your WRESTLING SHOW rap about 29 civilians dying in a couple of bombings

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u/mrtrickio 21h ago

Is there any evidence at all that Max was even signed to a TNA contract and that this wasn't just a one shot deal anyway... Are we all being worked?!

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u/dom_rep 21h ago

Apparently he was on a pay per appearance deal.

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u/MajorMilkyway 21h ago

He’s going to end up in NWA

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u/AC-Edits 21h ago

Nobody would have thought about that joke for one second after he said it if they hadn't made such a goddamn big deal about it.

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u/Quick_Opportunity782 19h ago

Kinda sad. And this is a shoot. In 2015 he stood at CAP with mjf bronson myers. And he said one of his goals was to work for TNA. He coulda picked wwe, NJPW anything but in a room of prospective students he chose TNA. He wanted this. Its rap. Yes he was foolish. I hope he bounces back. Hes way to talented. If i told you Caster was looked at as the top prospect over MJF would you believe me?

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u/irish0451 You know what that means. 18h ago

Pretty gracious response all things told. I'm sure in his position you don't want to burn any bridges you haven't already burned...but I'd have been tempted to ask Carlos how the boots taste now that he's thoroughly licked them.

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u/ZappBranniganBurner 17h ago

TNA couldn't survive 5 with the best wrestler alive!

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u/MadmanMarkMiller 12h ago

TNA aren't blameless in this, they posted this to their social media shit thinking it was fine but when there was push-back they threw Max under the bus and dusted their hands clean of responsibility.

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u/Morbid187 10h ago

This whole thing is pathetic but I can't help to laugh. Simply referencing the reality around all of us in a single rap lyric was enough to give Max Caster the TNA speedrun world record. Actually, I guess he's #2 because Sammy Guevara got fired before he even stepped through the curtain but I'll leave that up to the judges to decide. 

I have nothing but support for Max Caster BTW