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Stephanie Vaquer responds to a new interview of her jailed abuser, El Cuatrero

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u/Mud-Bray 9h ago

Still crazy that her and La Hiedra are both technically employed by the same company.

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u/JoseNEO Rey de Plata y Oro 8h ago

and Flammer and many other people who are supportive of him

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u/AtlasAir_ 7h ago

Jesus, there were more of that? I thought it was La Hiedra. Awful.

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u/JoseNEO Rey de Plata y Oro 6h ago

it's so many people in the industry flammer, hiedra, wagners, parks,

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u/CaptainBuzzKillton 6h ago

Same. Lost respect for Flammer now

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u/AtlasAir_ 6h ago

I remember Rush was supportive of the guy and that made me look at him differently. Now I’m not surprised his brother liked the petitions

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u/Foxcooler 8h ago

I guess that’s why she doesn’t go to AAA

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 2m ago

WWE still made her stand there with the other Hispanics when they announced they’d bought AAA.

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u/pUmKinBoM 9h ago

I hope you can see why that is still weird though. Like both companies should probably come to a joint decision on this one.

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u/Tornado31619 9h ago

It would seem they have.

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u/pUmKinBoM 8h ago

Contracts can be weird and if it is a situation where they maybe come out ahead with a terminated contract that I can understand keeping them on the payroll but Id still make sure they arent getting used in AAA or WWE. It's just hard to give WWE the benefit of the doubt in these situations.

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u/Baratheoncook250 8h ago

I can see AAA keeping Faby Apache

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u/CaptainBuzzKillton 6h ago

Faby is a legend, so wouldn't be surprising

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u/Tyranitardis 5h ago

And Dragon Lee.

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u/Simptimus042 9h ago

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u/daprice82 REWINDERMAN 7h ago

That last line is a bar

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u/ReallyUnlikable 7h ago

Especially considering she has to see the man who almost killed her treated like a hero.

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u/Kenmisterio 9h ago

It's crazy to me that after being found guilty a lot of luchadores are on Cuatrero's side

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u/jaypenn3 8h ago

Big Damo Quote

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u/Martel1234 If you remember Bael, comment “B” 7h ago

Witty response about big damo also being stupid

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u/WinSomeWheat 7h ago

Wait is big damo stupid? What'd he do

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u/Derexise 6h ago

Defended Joe Coffey getting bookings after he was mentioned in the Speaking Out movement a few years ago.

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u/muckymann 6h ago

Had a podcast episode or something with Marty Scurrl.

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u/Tyranitardis 5h ago

Married an anti-vaxxer.

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u/SpiritualAd9102 5h ago

Nikki Cross is anti vax?

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u/RexxGunn 5h ago

I think he's confusing Damo with Erik. Unless Nikki has been really good at keeping secrets.

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u/fridchikn24 Take it. Take the fish. 3h ago

Erik is married to Sarah Logan

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u/Tyranitardis 5h ago

She isn't keeping any secret it's been well-known for years lol.

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u/Over_Introduction490 5h ago

i thought it was sarah logan that was anti-vax? never heard that about nikki

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u/Infamous-Lab-8136 5h ago

I can't find any record of Nikki Cross making anti-vax statements, unlike Sarah Lorgan who is well known for it

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u/iguanamac 4h ago

You’re just making shit up.

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u/TheDanquah 1h ago

Made its Sarah Logan you are talking about. :)

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u/NeonChampion2099 8h ago

Like Dragon Lee

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u/J_NewCastle 8h ago

And Rush

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u/Necessary_Badger_658 8h ago

Source on this? Dralistico and Rush both publicly supported him, but Dragon Lee hasn't to my knowledge.

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u/blacksoxing 8h ago

Everyone in a family doesn't vote together or even pray together (if they pray). Dragon Lee, whatever his real name is, may NOT agree with what his other brothers may agree upon. Nonetheless, it amazes me how us humans can know something happened and still go "....BUT...."

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u/NeonChampion2099 7h ago

He posted about the protest on his storied back then, and when his brother said "the whole family is with Cuatrero", Lee didn't deny it.

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u/Necessary_Badger_658 7h ago edited 31m ago

A) it's not necessarily Lee's job to be accountable for or acknowledge everything his family says

B) You reference a post I've never seen or heard of before without evidence. I think you're mistaken.

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u/Tyranitardis 5h ago

Dragon Lee actually showed up to those dumbass protests. Rush didn't.

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u/Odd-Promise2661 8h ago

I'm gonna be honest, I don't seem his entire family supporting and going to protests and him just going "ah no, I don't support him!" plus iirc he posted about the protest of his arrest on his instagram story

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u/AnxiousSolution2563 8h ago

Not every family is an echo chamber. Most aren't 

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u/CommunityFan_LJ 8h ago edited 3h ago

All 3 are brothers, trust us bro

Edit: I didn't think /s was needed

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u/Flanagan26866 7h ago

Albert Goring, brother of Hermann Goring, was a known nazi oppositor and saved many people

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u/muckymann 6h ago

There are zero tweets of him distancing himself from his brother. 

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u/No-One7813 6h ago

Damn, thats a shame. I bet 1930s Twitter was lit

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u/HowTingz 4h ago

That made my head hurt because while being their chauffeur, I was victim to my kids' deep conversation about what the internet must've been like during WW2 and what it must've been like to see the atrocities on youtube or facebook. My son... my dear son. The fruit of my very loins gon open his mouth and say "Facebook wasn't even a thing back then... Dad! What kind of social media were people using back then?"

I thought long and hard, but ultimately decided not to drop them home and drive off a cliff.

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u/Odd-Promise2661 8h ago

Like dude's entire family is in on it but people still try and say that he's on the opposite end of this lmao just cope

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u/mjac1090 7h ago

It's not cope, it's don't assume he's a scumbag purely because his brothers are. If you don't know what a person believes there's no reason to have an opinion on their hypothetical beliefs

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u/nWo1997 nwo 8h ago

Also asking for a source for Lee specifically. Because the main source I've found of Dragon Lee's support is that post of RUSH saying that all the family was with Cuatrero, and people saying "well, Dragon is RUSH's brother, so that means Dragon is also supporting him."

Which takes RUSH's words at face value and doesn't take into account how much less supportive "almost all the family is with you, Cuatrero" sounds.

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u/NeonChampion2099 7h ago

If that was the case, wouldn't Dragon Lee have come out and publically stated otherwise?

I mean, if it was me, I would have said "all the family but not me!" 

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u/nWo1997 nwo 7h ago

Perhaps he didn't think that was something that needed clarification? If he's even aware of the post

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u/Wolfpac187 3h ago

If he doesn’t agree and the people closest to him know that why should he give a shit about making sure random weirdos on the internet know

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u/jmspinafore 8h ago

Denial that someone could be nice to them and evil to someone else, most likely. It's common to assume that an abuser is a monster to everyone all the time, so if you have a positive interaction with someone accused, the victim must be lying.

Or shame that they were bamboozled by a bad person.

Or they are equally awful and see nothing wrong with what he did.

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u/evieka The best Mariah 6h ago

Denial that someone could be nice to them and evil to someone else, most likely.

Also just misogyny

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u/TheWumboligist 8h ago

Theres the obvious political example,but also we can look at someone like Deshaun Watson. Don't remember if he was officially found guilty or civilly liable or anything like that but 27 sexual assault cases and was suspended by the NFL along with just kinda being an asshole in general , yet so many other athletes and NFL players still love him

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u/smsrmdlol 6h ago

Unfortunately lots of people don’t care what you do, as long as you don’t do it to them

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u/Odd-Promise2661 8h ago

The fact that there's literally not just La Hiedra being pushed in AAA despite the restraining order, Cuatrero's brother is still in AAA as well, plus Dragon Lee (and a rumored Dralistico joining him) on the same roster as her

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u/Wolfpac187 3h ago

I don’t believe people should be punished just because of who they’re related to

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u/AwfulAdjacentGoose 7h ago

Lot of toxic machismo. Grew up with that and seen dudes just utterly dehumanize women. It's not only crazy, but these guys will never see themselves as being on the wrong side here. Shit is sad.

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u/pm-me-ur-kittens-thx 5h ago

That's machismo for you 🤷🏽‍♀️

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u/AnfowleaAnima 4h ago edited 2h ago

Crazy? it shouldn't be. I don't think it's a secret Mexico can be very conservative.

People should know that machismo in Spanish is used as a word for misogyny, not "being manly" as well.

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u/SpaceGooV 8h ago

He's from a Lucha family and you'll see lots of the supporters are from Lucha families or partners of people from those families.

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u/Velvet-Nomad2615 9h ago

His 2 bothers and his brothers wife and the entire Muñoz family apart from Dragon Lee tried to lead mass movement to ban her from wrestling, threatened her through other means....and somehow all of them are employed with AAA still and Dralistico is on his way to WWE ....smh

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u/Odd-Promise2661 8h ago

Konnan literally went on his podcast calling Stephanie a crazy woke woman who was trying to cancel a good man and he was literally all over AAA until his health issues recently, including at the WWE HOF for Rey

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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 0m ago

Konnan is little gossipy bitch.

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u/MeanCantaloupe69 5h ago

I mean that shouldn't be surprising with Dralistico considering WWE sucks Trump's dick.

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u/YearZero_97 8h ago

It's really fucking alarming how many of the carny and old school Lucha Libre guys take that near-murderers side. Oh and Rush' family along with Konnan. Makes me not feel bad for Konnan's karma catching up to him tbh. 

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u/Senorspeed 9h ago

Rot in jail

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u/TwistyBunny Brodie, Briscoe, Bray, Butch & Bastard Forever 8h ago

Get his ass, Stephanie.

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u/Terrible-Issue-4910 7h ago

It's so sad that she had to go through that and that she still has to go through this kind of bullshit but, looking at the somewhat bright spot on the other side of it all... It's amazing that she's so vocal about this. She's speaking for many women and she's making herself a great role model.

People like Cuatrero are protected by society too often, and it's important to speak out against it.

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u/MikeMakesRight82 7h ago

the thing that stands out in my mind is that it was the paramedics treating her who called the police because of how severe her injuries were

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u/OneOnionBhaji 8h ago

Cybernetico is now on my shit list. I was disappointed when I found out about La Hiedra's shitty actions!

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u/YearZero_97 8h ago

Sigh... I kind of expected him because of how carny he is. Any others from the 2000s era that support the abuser? 😭 I watched the era with prime El Mesias and Ciber. 

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u/Creepy_Pressure3004 8h ago

People really have no idea what she’s had to deal with. Imagine not keeping quiet about your attempted murder while the majority of the tribalistic lucha community rallies against you. Then the evidence supports your claim and the worst offenders that harassed you for years are spread out through all the various wrestling organizations and you just try your best to move past it and they keep spreading this bullshit. 

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u/nobody0350 7h ago

It still amazes me that when WWE announced that they had purchased AAA, they decided to have Stephanie Vaquer stand behind them alongside the other wrestlers even though she never once worked for Triple A and had restraining orders against some of the active wrestlers in Triple A after they harassed her and publicly showed their support to Cuatrero. It’s crazy to see how many people were defending and protecting this guy. Not only did many Triple A wrestlers hold marches throughout Mexico City to demand the release of Cuatrero, but some even went as far as organizing a whole wrestling show in the same prison Cuatrero was being held in to show their support for him and demand his release.

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u/CrimsonJoker13 6h ago

Given all of the people defending her abuser and that time a racist wrestler in Mexico attacked her, I am not surprised that her career trajectory was NJPW -> at an AEW Forbidden Door show -> WWE. I don't blame her at all for that. I don't know the situation in CMLL but if it's this prominent then Japan seemed like the smart move.

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u/nobody0350 4h ago edited 3h ago

She was working CMLL and NJPW simultaneously. She was only signed to CMLL, but she held a title in both promotions since both promotions were and still are close to one another and had already been partner promotions for many years. I don’t know if NJPW ever addressed what had happened to Stephanie, but I know CMLL always supported her and backed her throughout that whole ordeal. I remember reading a statement that CMLL put out when it happened where they defended Stephanie from all the hate that she somehow was receiving and said that they fully stood by her. A lot of the CMLL fans and fellow CMLL wrestlers like La Catalina also showed their support for Stephanie. But even with all that support, I can’t imagine it’s easy working in the same city that the prison that your domestic abuser is currently being held in is located. If he ever got released, it wouldn’t have been hard for him to find her. Also, just to clarify that racist attack happened to her on the indy scene shortly after she first arrived in Mexico. She was still new and hadn’t even been noticed by CMLL yet.

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u/CrimsonJoker13 3h ago

Okay then CMLL are awesome for that

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u/Ok-Original-0 3h ago

Justice for Stephanie and all those affected by this God awful human.

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u/OwnLightCSmooth 49m ago

Why do people always put their business online like Fools

https://giphy.com/gifs/7MDZS8zS1ixtJAUEul

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u/ProjectZephyr01 7h ago

It may be a case that they are supporting Cuatero to be better but not necessarily tolerating his mistake.

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u/Foxcooler 8h ago

I doubt she consulted with WWE/TKO before posting this, would be too out of character for them imo. I hope they don’t punisher her for that.

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u/FewElk6678 6h ago

Why would they punish her? Shes speaking out against a man that tried to kill her. If anything, it should be him punished even more.

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u/Foxcooler 6h ago

Welcome to corporate america. Big companies only give a shit about their own reputations and staying out of drama even if pertains the wellbeing of their own employees.

Not trying to be an activist or anything it's just the truth.

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