Or they could just go out for a jog without the fucking flag and wouldnāt need protection. Not that they should need protection anyways, but when you make yourself a target, donāt be surprised when you get attacked.
Of course it is. And I clearly said they shouldnāt be attacked regardless. And you know what making yourself a target in this scenario means. Feelings about the actions of the Israeli government are strong right now, and running around with a flag draped over you - in a country that flag doesnāt belong to - you serves no purpose other than to draw attention.
No, because they arenāt the same thing. These two know exactly how people feel about the actions of their government, and yet choose to make a scene anyways. And waste government resources in the process.
A better comparison would be running around a safari route with meat tied to you, like they don't need to be doing that and they're actively making life harder for themselves to make a point
My point is that wearing a skirt isn't a political statement, wearing an Israeli flag while out jogging absolutely is. I'm not saying they can't do it, clearly they're able to do exactly what they want, I'm saying that they're very aware that they're being controversial.
Skirts aren't a national symbol or a call for division. National flags are national symbols, and the only reason to parade yours around in another country during heightened international tensions surrounding your country's leadership... is that you want to provoke people, hence the police escort.
It'd be something else if it were a sporting event where Israel was participating, but it's not.
Its literally not comparable at all you dolt. The Israeli flag stands for apartheid and genocide, a skirt does not, hope i sorted out that confusion for you.
You can be proud of being israeli without agreeing with the genocide. Just like you can be proud american without agreeing with donald trump.
People in this thread, that say that if you wear an israeli flag you make yourself a target for violence and compare them to neonazies are the reason there is police presense around anyhing israeli in europe.
So if you wish to for police to stop protecting random israeli civilians, stop threatning them and focus your anger on people in charge in israel.
Approval ratings for the genocide in Israel are high.
They are not unwilling bystanders, they are proud supporters.
I would bet money that the person running in the video would confirm his support for the genocide, blame Hamas or something.
Yeah like whatās the go, do they call the police and request this? Are they just two completely random people? Is it some kind of protest jog or something? Like surely you canāt just call up and be like āyo Iām going to the shops and wearing my Israeli flag today, please send 5 cruisers to accompany meā
Fuck that, just do it with a Palestinian flag on that very same street in Germany and see how long it takes for those very same police officers to assault and arrest you.Ā
NZ doesn't kowtow as much as it's neighbour does but it hasn't recognized The State of Palestine and there was the ousting of Chlƶe Swarbrick. Every country does a balancing act - probably more to avoid repercussions from the US. But the UK, Australia and Canada certainly have been wholly owned subsideries of the US based Zionism R US for decades if not generations.
I envy you. Meanwhile in the rest of the UK we have to follow the ākayfabeā that if you donāt wholeheartedly support the genocide then you are antisemitic.
Iām not suggesting that Israel doesnāt hate the Irish people for their defence of Palestine, but the Irish state has deep economic ties to Israel, and has continued to be one of their primary trading partners throughout the war, including duel use military technologies. The idea that Ireland is free from Israeli influence is delusional and undermines your own position.
We don't fire people from journalism, universities, schools, tech companies, hospitals etc for criticizing Israel or for supporting BDS. Try saying that about any other English speaking western country.
ya next theyll say zionisfs have outsized media control or something, or maybe that there are many american zionists who seem more concerned with another state's welfare, or...yknow what nm
Maybe don't equate Zionism to Judaism and Israel with the country of every Jewish person out there. It is factual that antisemitism is on the rise again and that is something that requires action to be taken against but at the same time Zionism is rampant as well. Israel and Mossad are proven to have used false flags on many occasions and the connection to Epstein although not fully proven and the genocidal and apartheid nature of the Israeli Government and perhaps even State are rightfully so open to criticism and equating that criticism to antisemitism is wrong and not helping victims of antisemitic actions in countries that aren't Israel.
No that's just a convenient story for their media. The truth is that even most antisemites are extremely pro Zionism because wanting Jews to migrate out of Europe is seen a huge win for them.
And if they massacre millions of Arabs while doing so, that's even better in the eyes of Nazis.
Have these two by any chance registered a demonstration?
I mean they could do that. They would probably get assigned protection during that time, because even if you dislike what they are doing, they have a right to not be harmed for merely running around with a flag on their back.
Based on the way the person who is recording is speaking, I do assume they are walking through a financially weaker neighbourhood, likely inhabited by a not-insignificant muslim population. So that would probably explain why the police is there.
Edit: Why am I being downvoted? I am just guessing what is happening here, because yall are suprised. Bruh.
Someone in a community im in recently did a bike ride across Ukraine to spread awareness. Just him. Nothing grand. Just riding his bike and sharing it. That persons guess isnt unreasonable.
The way that the German state, government, media and social elite are uncritically enabling all of Israels bullshit just gets more and more frustrating. The rhetoric used in the media is maddening. I don't even live there anymore. Can't imagine how i would feel if i still was.
That seems to be Kottbusser Damm in Berlin. That is where that Hayatra restaurant is located. BMW Berlin Marathon was on Sunday 27 September, and it ran along that street.Ā
Presumably this is related to the marathon. More context would be needed to determine whether this is something unusual, whether the security was specifically for the two Israelis here, and whether this proves that Israel is enacting supreme control over the state of Germany.
There are peopling hanging out palestinian flags out of their windows and nothing happens. If you would do that with an Israeli flag, some people would attack your homeā¦
sorry, I meant i got you... american English slang for i understand... but it probably came off like "ha, gotcha!" That's my fault. Sorry for the misunderstanding
Our problem is not two people running around with the flag of a state, that behaves more than questionable. Our problem is, that there are people out there, who would attack them. We need to get rid of these people, not the ones carrying the flag. I expect everyone to be able to roam around Western Europe with any (legal) flag of choice. And I expect everyone thrown out of the country, who cannot accept that.
They let them walk around. The Palestinian flag is not forbidden in Western European countries. Why should authorities care? You can see lots of Palestinian flags all across Europe, no one cares.
Well here in France, a lot of people associate the palestinian flag with POS terrorists from Hamas. People are arrested daily for there support for the palestinian cause. Iām not even exagerating
Can you provide one serious source for people peacefully waiving a Palestinian flag getting arrested?
My experience is, that there are a lot of idiots among people supporting Palestine (same as for people supporting Israel), means they tend to do things, that are just forbidden (antisemitism, vandalising, fighting authorities,...)
Darmanin even went as far as saying Benzema was a muslim brother because of a tweet against the Genocide in Gaza. The same benzema who, maybe a pos in his own rights, lives in Saudi where being affiliated with the muslim brotherhood is a capital crime.
And those are just a few cases i can think of while taking a smoke break at work.
If you're talking about the Havara agreement, more "moderate Nazis" (as crazy as that sounds) saw that as a solution for the "Jewish problem" but they never supported Zionism as well. Besides, the main reason for the agreement was an economic one anyway, and it was hugely unpopular among Nazi inner circles (and Hitler himself was pretty iffy about it). Hence why they switched to the extermination of Jews instead. Hence why they would loathe the current Israeli state since they project power into the world.
Literally nothing in the article disagrees with what I just wrote. I would actually engage in discussion instead of trying to rattle of talking points, just a suggestion.
Calling them Nazis for supporting a colonialist supremacist ethno apartheid state committing genocide would be pretty 'history repeating itself' though. Germany together with the US and UK are the Trifecta of Genocide Facilitation.
you keep saying "Jewish state" uppercase "J", lowercase "s"... in case you missed the memo, it's 2026 and we don't do that shit anymore. Please evolve.
??? Subject doesn't mean "written with a capital letter". Languages, nationalities and religions are capitalized. It's not the "canadian state" it's the "Canadian state"; it's not the "catholic church", it's the "Catholic church"; it's not the "dutch language" it's the "Dutch language". This is simply grammar.
Well, stop attacking random israelis, and this will stop. Although I dont think this was a normal run.
Either this is a race of some kind or they are idiots wanting attention.
Seen plenty of videos of Israeli tourists being denied services or just generally harassed just because they're from the country, not even displaying any kind of pride or flag. Bad actors will always take advantage of a situation
No it's not. The police are there to protect those two, it's their job. We all know these two would get attacked on sight running around with that. Is walking around with an Israeli flag these days absolutely stupid? Yes it is, but also irrelevant to those policemen.
Their job is to protect Israelisā¦ having a jog? I wish I had access to any form of protection when Iām assaulted or my house is broken into, I must be from the wrong country for the police work package though!
It's probably an approved demonstration, not just two Israelis jogging about randomly having an Israeli flag. Since it's an approved demonstration they need police protection.
It seems nuts to me that most of the countries with ties to Israel have the right wing crazies on the rise. I understand (donāt agree with) the U.S. and its āneedā for Israel as a power in the area to āstabilizeā the Middle East, but even thatās a joke otherwise the orange blumpkin who should have been swallowed would be fucking with Iran and the Straight of Hormuz.
What stake do other countries have with Israel having any amount of power?
They have to have something on the big countries that the general masses aren't privvy to. It cannot be just about religion or reparations at this point.
Honestly I think people underestimate how bad the Holocaust was and how much guilt a lot of countries carry for allowing it to go on for as long as it did.
Iām pretty sure they straight up killed 40% of all the Jews in the world during World War 2. Thatās a crazy number of people.
For reference only 4% of Gazaās total population was killed during the last few years of the Gaza War. Itās all tragic but I think people have a hard time comprehending the scale of things.
This is the failure of wider society where just professing your faith and political opinions is dangerous, your agreement or disagreement is not relevant
They arenāt expressing their faith. There is nothing about religion here. Theyāre draping themselves in the flag of a country committing a horrific genocide in a sign of solidarity and support.
Germany should be especially aware of the dangers of allowing fascism under the guise of free political expression.
This isn't a person expressing their faith, it's a person supporting a genocide. It's antisemitic to assert that displaying an Israeli flag is a support of Judaism, as Israel does not speak for nor represent the Jewish community.
Would you consider it a failure of a society if someone has to be police protection because they go around boasting about their murderous friends back home and that gets them beat?
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The guy speaking is absolutely hilarious. āWhat IS this? Donāt you have anything better to do?ā