This is true

[u/mustu04]

[u/Antique-Branch340]

I actually do believe they are talking about it, just blaming the girl and echoing the same sentiments that Megyn Kelly has been spewing. It’s really disgusting, repulsive, and representative of the kind of people they are

[u/Extension_Area6176 → u/Antique-Branch340]

the "it was wrong BUT why was she drinking and doing drugs and wearing such clothes and partying and existing and breathing" crowd?

[u/heybigbuddy → u/[deleted]]

The irony of your name, seeing as how your position depends entirely on reading and understanding nothing but instead shouting that you’re the only one who has.

This degree of lying and misinformation is shameful. You should feel ashamed, all the time.

[u/NocturnalVina → u/[deleted]]

You do realize consent can withdrawn at any point, right? Regardless of whether she did or not during or after the fact, it's still rape because she was heavily under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

[u/THRlLL-HO → u/NocturnalVina]

That’s absolutely insane.

Sure consent get be withdrawn before or during the act. But saying you can withdraw at any point including after the fact makes you and anyone supporting you look insane

[u/RedScarffedPrinny → u/NocturnalVina]

If consent can be revoked after the fact then consent literally becomes meaningless.

Thats like having medical insurance the day you need surgery and then 6 months later the insurance company calls you and tells you that you need to pay the full amount because your coverage was revoked after the fact.

Your argument makes zero sense.

[u/Western-Willow-9496 → u/NocturnalVina]

Consent cannot, as a matter of law, be withdrawn after the fact. Accused were also under the influence, that’s why one(so far) of the men has filed a counter claim.

[u/NoBowler9340 → u/NocturnalVina]

They were too, so she also raped them?

[u/Imjusasqurrl → u/NoBowler9340]

Under New York law and Title IX regulations, a person who is incapacitated by drugs or alcohol cannot legally give consent.

However, social media discourse frequently misconstrues mutual drug consumption at a party as invalidating one side's claim of non-consent or shifts blame onto the environment rather than distinct actions

Also, Critics online have sometimes used these evidentiary grey areas to spin hyperbolic or counter-accusatory narratives

Nice try though. I'm just surprised that you guys are willing to announce so loudly that you are also a scumbag.

[u/sarahbagel → u/[deleted]]

1) This was before the group messages (where Newall and Ingalls coordinated the gang rape) were exposed to her, so she had initially though that all of the other guys were there against Newall & Ingall’s will as well

2) Even in those texts, she specifically only says the threesome was consentual, and explicitly expresses frustration toward everyone else that came in

3) by “their jurisdiction” she’s talking about people gossiping on campus. That’s not her making an assessment on whether or not anything falls under police jurisdiction

The crux of this case is that Ingalls and Newall essentially tricked/coerced Doe into taking ket, drinking a ton, and having sex with them under the condition that it was a threesome, only to then actively invite the rest of their fraternity into the room to partake at their will. That completely disintegrates any grounds they had to call it consentual, as consent under false pretenses is not consent, it is rape. And then on top of that, everything the other Cornell boys in the room did was rape/sexual assault by virtue of there explitly being no consent at any point

I know you know deep down the Cornell 7 are disgusting, vile rapists/predators. I know you know you’re just trying to make excuses for them, because you want rape to be something excusable, for whatever disgusting reason you freaks want that. Don’t play dumb

[u/Guderian12 → u/Extension_Area6176]

Right why was she snorting lines of K off men’s junk? Why did she try and arrange another visit…why did she only complain once they ghosted her from the next big party…or whatever else you were saying

[u/Imjusasqurrl → u/Guderian12]

Please look up the "perfect victim"

Here you go: "the perfect victim"----a harmful cultural and legal myth that describes the narrow, unrealistic set of traits society expects a genuine sexual assault survivor to have.

In other words- a woman is allowed to dress slutty, enGage in gAngbAngs, drink under age and even do drugs and that does not mean she deserved to be raped or isn't able to withdraw consent.

She can even be a stripper or a sex worker *shock\*

How do you guys not realize that your desperate attempts to legitimize what thes Cornell scumbags did- just makes you look like a fellow scumbag

[u/QuestioningHuman_api → u/Guderian12]

Who cares? You don’t get to rape someone because you don’t agree with their life.

[u/Extension_Area6176 → u/Guderian12]

I sincerely hope no victim ever has to have the misfortune of opening up to people like you

[u/hotviolets → u/Extension_Area6176]

He’s probably made victims

[u/MelissaOfTroy → u/Guderian12]

Exactly! People like you. You know, the reason victims don’t report.

[u/taki_flame_butt → u/Antique-Branch340]

According to Megyn Karen Kelly, fat people can't be raped.

[u/mowtowcow]

Some are. Megyn Kelley actually blamed the girl for being unattractive and probably liking it.

[u/Additional-Leg-1539 → u/mowtowcow]

Saw that. That woman is insane. Like even ignoring the opinion. Why was she writing like fanfiction about this real life act of cruelty?

[u/FlashyNeedleworker66]

Aren't the republicans the abstinence only folks?

Weird how they have all this sympathy for frat boys in a murky situation who got drunk and (in their excuse view) had group sex, isn't it?

No judgy "well that's what happens when you...", no 1 man 1 woman, just a bunch of sympathy for the frat boys

Weird, almost like they are full of shit or something

[u/EnvironmentNeith2017 → u/[deleted]]

Yep, protect them from everybody but white men

[u/tydavid28]

It’s because they’re a bunch of pedophiles and rapists

[u/Head-Contract9734]

Because it was never about safety or protection, it was targeting a group to direct hate towards to rile up the magat base. 

[u/ViviKumaDesu]

they're talking about it, they're just on the side of the rapist and don't care for their own hypocrisy

[u/Mmm_lemon_cakes → u/ViviKumaDesu]

I came here to make this comment. It’s become weirdly political. Like, people think it’s a good thing to side with the guys in this chat? You think these are upstanding young men? Do you really want your daughters around guys like this?

[u/LarianDivinityBG3]

Those girls and women need protection from them.

[u/Erin_Derrick_Art]

No they're talking about it- they're just saying she agreed to it.

[u/Inevitibility → u/Erin_Derrick_Art]

Didn’t she say she agreed to it too

[u/Possible-Archer → u/Inevitibility]

Yes, but the point of contention is continued consent after the drugs.

[u/mike74911 → u/Inevitibility]

Yes, she agreed to 3 different 3somes, told one guy not to a 4some so he left, and she was coming back for another 3some and more drugs at Halloween but when she was banned from coming she claimed rape even after telling them nothing was illegal, she wanted more, and that she loved 2 of them.

[u/Morgannin09]

No, those guys are expressing sympathy for the perpetrators.

[u/stwabewwie]

Because it’s all about turning victims into perpetrators and perpetrators into victims.

To these people? Women are only victims when there’s a minority to blame and an agenda to push. Transgender people will never be the threat, it will always be men in power.

[u/BrainOnVacay22]

Just said this to my sister yesterday

[u/throwawaydanc3rrr → u/[deleted]]

Sir, this is Reddit.

[u/HawgChuggins]

Well yeah, they don't actually give a damn about protecting women or women's sports. What's the joke? "Whats the best way to circumcise a Republican? Kick his sister in the jaw", not to mention these Republican shit holes have bill boards reminding not to rape their daughters. To say nothing of the higher rates of physical, mental, and sexual violence experienced in Republican shit holes.

[u/ThelIIusion0fSeIf → u/[deleted]]

Why? If you want to take a moral stance on protecting women as the primary reason for obsessing over transgendered people (as opposed to admitting to outright bigotry) then there is no room for hypocrisy here. If this had been a transgendered teenager playing women's softball on a junior high team in the middle of nowhere Fox News would be screaming about it from the rafters. When it comes to something like this they stay suspiciously silent or take the opposing side. It's the same as calling out the POTUS - Obama wears a tan suit and conservatives lose their minds. Trump threatens to use nukes on our allies and suddenly they have nothing to say.

[u/thricedice88 → u/[deleted]]

Palestine cheerleader vibes.

[u/Same_Veterinarian544 → u/[deleted]]

They’re upset that some people won’t jump to the exact same conclusions they did

[u/Jedi_Blight858 → u/[deleted]]

Dumb like the maga trans position?

[u/BeneficialOstrich770]

Nah, they talking…they say, “she’s a liar”:

[u/blu453]

They're too busy worshipping male-centered deities and drinking the koolaid to actually give af about protecting women.

[u/wallace321 → u/blu453]

How do we protect women from themselves and poor decision making?

By the way, I'm here, I'm talking about this, everybody is talking about this. this post is bullshit.

(oh right, "Ban frats" - that's where we are going with this - not that that is the actual problem...)

[u/blu453 → u/wallace321]

Gtfoh with your sexism. The world centers men and coddles them about s3xually assaulting women and girls but I absolutely will not.

[u/Guderian12 → u/blu453]

As this proves everyone is talking about it completely negating your point…which is what again? Oh yeah men are bad but not when in the locker room with you and your daughter or something like that

[u/HookerWhale → u/blu453]

She raped one of the boys, she also admitted in her own texts that it was a gangbang, and instigated it.

[u/jakeklampstar → u/blu453]

Women rape men all the time.

[u/scottyjrules → u/jakeklampstar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yt9DTQeflOUA8

[u/Humble-Start-3958 → u/scottyjrules]

Weird how this is a joke that we laugh about

[u/BlueRemake → u/scottyjrules]

Plenty of female teachers banging underage students.

[u/scottyjrules → u/BlueRemake]

And they’re still statistically in the minority. Men account for the overwhelming majority of rapists.

[u/ummmwhaaa → u/blu453]

It does center around men, that's why the left celebrates a man in a dress and welcomes him into women's bathrooms and sports.

[u/Possible-Archer → u/blu453]

Not even close dude, like so far off the mark

[u/BogeyGolfer5656]

This is SO dumb. The girl admitted that she consented. What is going on here?

[u/brainlessfire → u/BogeyGolfer5656]

We live in an us-versus-them time. Logic doesn't matter anymore.

[u/Diemond71]

Yeah smart people wait to get all the facts right not just jump to their own conclusions.

[u/visionsofreptar]

This just isn’t true. Those people are actually performing complicated mental gymnastics to explain why Jane Doe is the villain in their twisted minds

[u/Notmikeyouidiot]

GIrls: We know clancy said she killed her kids but it wasnt her!!

also same girls: We know the girl said it was consensual, enjoyed it, asked for more, but it was rape!!!

[u/Weak-Load5553]

The past few years has told us all that justice isn’t a thing in the states. Who cares if you bomb a country? Who cares if you rape someone? Here LOOK a shiny hat. Now hate immigrants.

[u/Parking_Alive]

maybe because her own texts admit it was consensual…

[u/ExtendedMacaroni]

Why would they talk about a drug fueled college orgy? This whole nonsense is just man hating feminists using this story as an example to push their narrative. Pathetic actually

[u/Solondthewookiee → u/ExtendedMacaroni]

They're so obsessed what's going on in everyone else's pants, why stop now?

[u/Refuse-Admirable → u/ExtendedMacaroni]

It’s kinda hard to defend them when the evidence is there bub, it’s really pathetic defending rapists.

[u/ExtendedMacaroni → u/Refuse-Admirable]

Don’t know what evidence you looking at but it’s most likely fake. I would start by trying to find some more reliable sources when trying to understand a situation. Otherwise, you’re just someone who is weirdly obsessed with what college kids do for fun. Try to better next time.

[u/nainrouge2015 → u/ExtendedMacaroni]

You’re actually failing to grasp the inferred meaning and the context. It’s a very common thing for people who haven’t trained their critical thinking skills.

A lot of the rhetoric against trans folks is about protecting women. A lot of the anti trans folks have been pretty quiet on this subject - an instance where a woman was literally put into danger and SURPRISE the individuals involved were not trans.

[u/deadlyvagina → u/nainrouge2015]

She willingly and voluntarily participated. Then asked to do it again just without the ketamine.

[u/DeterminedJew → u/nainrouge2015]

I think you're just chronically online, alot of people actually having various opinions than just the one = bad other = good.

[u/ExtendedMacaroni → u/nainrouge2015]

“Dangerous situation” lol

This is why nobody takes yall seriously

[u/mike74911 → u/ExtendedMacaroni]

It wasn’t an orgy, she had 3 separate 3somes. It was never more than her and 2 guys having sex and when one of the guys passed out she found another to replace him.

[u/Soulcontusion]

That's because it's about control and never about protecting anyone.

[u/feethotterthanbewbz]

This is Clancy Cult behavior. Not only was it demonstrated that these men didn't break the law , but the woman actually anally raped at least one of the men she accused. It doesn't how much a woman victimizes other she's still a victim and empowered hero at the same time.

[u/Same_Veterinarian544]

These people have been talking about it. They’ve stated that sexual assault is wrong but we should wait for due process instead of people deciding guilt based off personal feelings

[u/Outrageous-Record691 → u/Same_Veterinarian544]

They've been defending while ignoring evidence just like you are

[u/tolgren]

Nope. We're all aware of the story and are pointing out that literally everything was consensual, according to Jane Doe herself. It's a nothingburger. She's crying rape because she was uninvited from the Halloween party. She made a bad decision and regrets it.

[u/CriticismFree2900]

Well yea she already admitted that she didn't get raped and simply back stepped due to the outrage of her doing disgusting things 

[u/greyone75]

Everybody is talking about it.

[u/Dar8878]

Are any of you keeping up on this story? 

[u/LoanRunna]

In reserving my judgement until the facts are clearly articulated and argued. But yes let’s protect women’s restrooms too.

[u/chothar]

we will wait for this to be adjudicated like we did with the Duke lacrosse team

[u/Famous_Phase_7829]

I hate these tweets and comments so fucking much. How does this man know who is and isn't talking about anything!? Does this dude have a list of ALL the fucking people who has ever made a comment about women's sports? Now does he know everyone who's commented on the Cornel 7? Bruh, STFU

[u/ChutneyWhatney]

DIFFERENT ISSUES, Einstein.

[u/FlashyNeedleworker66 → u/ChutneyWhatney]

Yes, the frat boys actually were rapists, it is different

[u/DemandEvery3377]

FALSE. the entire doj are sexual predators. You need to learn how to read

[u/Sgt_Blutwurst]

You know who has jumped on the bandwagon? The same people who dumped on the Duke Lacrosse team and bought every word of the Rolling Stone debacle.

[u/ass-gas-hotbox → u/Sgt_Blutwurst]

you act like bandwagons full of idiots are a one-sided thing.

[u/coporate → u/Sgt_Blutwurst]

And none of them will ever apologize to the men and boys it harms, then they’ll question why they look up to a feminist like Andrew Tate.

[u/ProfessionalOil2014 → u/[deleted]]

it's insane how transphobic stuff like this is allowed. This is vile.

[u/PoursTea-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Please comment only regarding the topic under discussion. Banned.

[u/PoursTea-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Banned

[u/Discussion-is-good → u/[deleted]]

Theyre not exactly the same, but I can see how someone in the middle sees it that way.

[u/Theseus_geckity → u/[deleted]]

No not that one. That one is a made up situation in your head.

[u/BitterResearch983 → u/Theseus_geckity]

Ah, I must be thinking of something else then. I’ve seen some evidence from some Cornell student who said she consented to quite a bit of sexual activity. It’s common place now. My body my choice. And even said the guys who were involved were quite respectful as she “ok’d” some actions and “declined” others.

Oh, and one of the accused gentlemen also accuses her of raping him. #believeallvictims am I right!?

Edit: she seems to remember a lot of the night and details play by plays in her texts. Not looking good for her. Honestly, the more that comes out, I hope she gets jail time for massive defamation and false accusations. Seems like a gross person in all honesty.

[u/SkynBonce]

Why would they speak out. They don't mind as long as it's the right ones raping women.

[u/IronmanGooner]

If you keep up with the news you’ll know all this outrage was misplaced, no rape occurred only consensual sex.

[u/KesslerTheBeast]

Her texts confirmed she was okay with getting gang banged.

[u/concussive → u/KesslerTheBeast]

No her text confirmed male 1 and male 2. NOT male 3-?

[u/yaknostoyok]

It is weird that an orgy/gangbang whatever is just evil in this performance of purity and chastity, UNLESS she was drunk, drugged and you raped her with your friends. THEN you did nothing wrong

[u/Texas-Couple]

I'm not sure what the point here is supposed to be. Are you under the impression that conservatives support such violent acts?  Are you perhaps unaware of what typical conservative views are against this kind of assault?  At the risk of stating the obvious I can tell you they're opposed to it. You won't find a conservative person who won't say That individuals who commit crimes should be punished for them.  But one thing is for certain If under normal circumstances there is the potential for bad behavior, you certainly don't create the ideal circumstances for said bad behavior. 

[u/scottyjrules → u/Texas-Couple]

Conservatives literally voted three times for a known rapist for President

[u/DefiantlyConformist]

We don't protect false rape allegations 

[u/RelevantSoftware8283 → u/DefiantlyConformist]

Well that's pretty easy for you guys when you choose not to believe any even when they're proven in court.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/RelevantSoftware8283]

Her text lay down pretty everything that happened. She says she was too drunk to consent, but then she gave a blow job to a guy who was also too drunk to consent. So is she a rapist too?

[u/RelevantSoftware8283 → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

I'm just pointing out that even if she proved it in court you still wouldn't believe her.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/RelevantSoftware8283]

The whole point which people seem to miss, is that sex happens behind closed doors. So unless you've been abducted and detained, if you're behind closed doors and you don't like what's going on, you just leave.

And the issue of closed doors, is that it's inevitably a "he said she said" situation. So by definition she will not be able to defend her accusation. Unless she says that she was forcefully detained, which is extremely unlikely at this point.

If a woman isn't capable of doing stuff behind closed doors, she shouldn't expose herself to such situations.

It's like working for someone without a contract, then suing them for not having been paid.

[u/Guderian12 → u/RelevantSoftware8283]

Why don’t you believe women? She admitted it was her body her choice…she admitted blowing someone who couldn’t consent…she admitted she wanted to do it again..but yet you know everything even the outcome of a fantasy you made up.

[u/DefiantlyConformist → u/Guderian12]

It's Lindsey Clancy all over again. Her "I did it" The defense "She did it" Reddit "She dindu nothin!"

[u/SchemeOne2145]

oh they might be talking about them, and saying they did nothing wrong!

[u/zombiepire]

People like her support child murderers

[u/cykoTom3]

You'd think they'd be all over this. Liberal universities want to rape your daughters or some such

[u/turdbugulars]

How many times can this be posted? Still get 2000 votes?

[u/mais-garde-des-don → u/turdbugulars]

Bots. That’s how

[u/ZealousidealHome7854]

Yeah, they most definitely are. Making shit up and posting it because you think it sounds good seems to work on people who don't think to hard, so keep on keeping on, I guess. 

[u/No-Contribution-6150 → u/ZealousidealHome7854]

This vague, unidentifiable perceived group of people, who I personally, and conveniently, have a grievance with, are doing something I Beleive is immoral.

I believe this because I made it the fuck up. Now please, everyone, join me in grieving this group of boogeymen.

[u/scavengercat]

"This is true" and it's something that no one in any way could ever come close to proving true. Who are these "same ones"? What facts is this based on? This is pure fantasy. Focus your energy on the pieces of shit that did this, not some dreamed up scenario.

[u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958]

I have seen the information that has been released.

She is a discusting humans, the men are discusting humans. However, nothing illegal happened. It was retaliation for her reputation being destroyed.

She only got upset when the president he doesn't think she should come back. The whole situation was a bunch of intoxicated people being discusting and nothing illegal happened.

Well, aside from the K-Holes they went down, that was illegal.

[u/UarNotMe → u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958]

Are you spelling phonetically? When you say “disgusting” are you pronouncing it as dis-GUS-ting or do you actually say dis-CUSS-ting?

[u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958 → u/UarNotMe]

Disgusting, gross, nasty.

All of them participated in terroble and morally bankrupt behavior.

[u/concussive → u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958]

Your opinion is as shit as your grammar and spelling.

[u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958 → u/concussive]

Read all the information, including her own police report, what she said to ither men and those men and the other girls on campus. She also has a mentor lady that she also confided in.

Go READ the information.

[u/concussive → u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958]

I’ve read it and they’re very likely guilty. Can you link me where you get your information from?

Just the fact that a text was sent out advertising her is enough to know she didn’t consent. Let’s say guys 1-7 were consented too but then they text people after she’s on ketamine and drunk. She cannot consent to them. I await your brain dead take.

[u/Embarrassed-Pen-5958 → u/concussive]

If all parties are drunk and only the women can't consent, you are making a claim of inequality between the sexes.

Do you believe there is inherent inequality between the sexes just by existing? Or do you believe that men and women are equal?

That is the next step here.

[u/MostPeopleAreDumb1]

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/[deleted]]

Fraternities are, but it seems we may disagree fundamentally anyway lol

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

Frats allow it, that’s for sure. And that’s gross. But there are no sizable groups promoting it. It doesn’t mean the culture shouldn’t change, but vast majority of people agree - rape is wrong.

In other words, if there isn’t a group of people out there advocating for the Cornell 7.. it’s less likely people are going to feel the need to yell from the rooftops how wrong it is. You don’t really have too many people to convince that rape is bad..

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

This whole post is engagement bait so i feel silly but:

Fraternities have a long history of date rape and coercion culture, even long in the past there was a lot of colleges that encouraged the fraternities to prey on sororities. Alot of people know this, most people agree rape is wrong yah, alot of people, including in this thread have a really awful grasp of what constitutes rape.

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

They do.. and it is something a lot of colleges have worked to crack down harder on. I hope we continue to address the issue.

My point is, there really aren’t too many outspoken people saying the opposite. So, there just isn’t as much fighting over it.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

Scroll down a little then lol, even beyond that alot of grifters are pushing the narrative that this situation was "someone who had sex and then regretted it and is call it rape", idk it definitely seems as though there atleast a minority that is vocal enough and feels that way that we are having this conversation to begin with.

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

I see trolls, and people saying they’re waiting for a verdict. I think letting the justice system play out before being too vocal is fine.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

Whether you want to admit it or not theres plenty of people arguing if its even rape to begin with.

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

I saw one of those comments too. There have been cases, as rare as they are, where women have lied about not giving consent. I tend to believe the women, first. Then, wait for the facts to come out. Some will believe the men, and hopefully change their minds if the evidence proves them wrong.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

You acknowledged it atleast.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

Also I believe the point is if these people cared about women they would be advocating for the victim and charges/punishment for the 7 individuals who carried out the act, and a better response from the colleges/universities in general.

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

But, I can say that about anything. Have you been promoting equal rights for women in India? Or do you just not really care about women? People can only advocate for so much.

Just because the same crowd that is the loudest about women’s sport isn’t the loudest on every other women’s issue, doesn’t mean they don’t care.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

When its the only issue they get up in arms about...

[u/perpetual_homosexual → u/Available-Manner9506]

Fair. I guess I think you’re just painting with too broad a brush. There is nuance here, and there are groups of people who both believe women’s sports should be for cis women and are outspoken about situations like the Cornell 7. I do get your point though.

[u/Available-Manner9506 → u/perpetual_homosexual]

Have you seen any?

[u/Environmental-Grab0]

This is going to turn into another duke lacrosse team. It will just make it worse for women accusing actual rapists because every time new evidence comes out, it shows that she consented and if anything, the guys were more intoxicated than her.

and dont respond to this unless youve read her texts.

[u/Accomplished_Hat9619 → u/Environmental-Grab0]

Statistically probably not. But nice try incel.

[u/Environmental-Grab0 → u/Accomplished_Hat9619]

so clearly youve read nothing on the case.

can you expalin why she told many people that it was consensual, and that people need to be more open to sexual stuff, and stop slut shaming her?
can you also tell me why she was upset that she wasnt allowed to go to that fraternity's Halloween party, and reported them right after she was banned?

[u/Accomplished_Hat9619 → u/Environmental-Grab0]

Not talking about the case. Women are constantly being abused by men. Through out history. It’s never crazy to believe women since stats matter.

[u/Environmental-Grab0 → u/Accomplished_Hat9619]

i do believe her. "none of the sex stuff was illegal" -jane doe

[u/Accomplished_Hat9619 → u/Environmental-Grab0]

And the boys texted “free pussy”. They are fucked in court.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/Accomplished_Hat9619]

Yeah, coz women never abuse men, right?

[u/AnalGlandSecretions → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

You need to look at per capita. Men abuse women far more than the opposite

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/AnalGlandSecretions]

I know. But men don't "constantly abuse women". It's just a myth. And an even bigger lie is that only women get abused.

[u/HPenguinB → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

Statistically, 1 time out of 10.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/HPenguinB]

No

34% of women apparently get abused, vs 17% of men. Hardly 1 out of 10

https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/media/pdfs/intimatepartnerviolence-brief.pdf

[u/HPenguinB → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

Sorry, I was looking at violent crime because people can be abused more than once.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/HPenguinB]

Women's overall annual rate is about 2.3x men's. The gap is narrower for physical violence (about 1.75x) and for psychological aggression (about 1.4x).

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/HPenguinB]

Read the story of Erin Pizzey who found out about men being abused, and got her life threatened because of it.

[u/Accomplished_Hat9619 → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

Not nearly at that same rate. Ask any cop. Stats and facts show that men are the biggest abusers by a lot.

[u/Proof-Pineapple69 → u/Accomplished_Hat9619]

Men are twice as likely to abuse a woman than vice versa. Not sure if that's considered a lot.

Either way the claim that men "constantly abuse women" is just a lie

[u/Accomplished_Hat9619 → u/Proof-Pineapple69]

That’s not accurate but even if it was it would still be way more. If you think that one out of every three sexual assaults is a women that you’re a incel weirdo.

[u/kon---]

Except, it's not true.

But wow, it sure is overused at this point.

[u/tiandrad]

Pretty sure everyone is talking about this, just not in the way they want. Lesson of the story is don’t jump to conclusions until you read all the facts.

[u/Sometimes_Stutters]

Would you like me to chime in on it?

[u/ToyshopASMR]

A girl must be Virgin Mary level of innocence for them to care even a little bit. But even then it’s a very narrow scope of care.

[u/Mysterious_Badger362]

Everyone is talking about it. It's sad those kids have to go through that simply because she didn't like that she was being made from of for instigating an orgy so she decided to claim it was rape years later.

[u/RalphDeLucca → u/[deleted]]

It’s so clearly a hoax

[u/Huntsman077 → u/RalphDeLucca]

Yeah the more I look into it the more I agree. Her lawsuit contradicts the original statement so much

[u/newalias_samemaleias]

It seems like a stretch to automatically compare trans people to accused rapists, but since it happened, I'll bite. How many trans athletes have been accused of gang raping a young woman in the US?

[u/blu453 → u/newalias_samemaleias]

That's not what they're doing here, they're saying all the people who were just oh so worried about protecting women from trans women don't actually give af at all about protecting women bc they're all super a-ok with SA of women as long as it's a cis man doing the r@ping bc they're all misogynistic, sexist, and transphobic.

[u/newalias_samemaleias → u/blu453]

You're right. That's my mistake.

[u/Texwarden → u/newalias_samemaleias]

That’s an interesting thought process. So, let’s say a trans athlete and a fellow female teammate consent to having sex and 3 weeks later, the female regrets consenting, would this be considered rape?

[u/DudeNougat]

nope we are too

[u/BernieF15]

You also don’t change your mind after 2 years and acknowledge it wasn’t rape either n consented.