r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 5d ago
Pouring Respect Remember when there used to be at least a modicum of decency and decorum?
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u/DrippyDogDix 5d ago
I actually thought this was gunna be a massive hit to his support. How naive of me. The redhats only pretend to care about our men and women that serve.
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u/big_rednexican_88 5d ago
There were many points during Trump's first campaign that i thought people were gonna abandon him. But alas, the racists and bigots in America voted him in.
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u/willinaustin 5d ago
That's how you know this weirdly charismatic POS started a cult with the dumbest/worst Americans. Politicians used to have their campaigns torpedoed because they said potato wrong, or cheered in a weird way at a rally, or had their picture taken while sitting in a tank.
Meanwhile, this vile creature breaks every social norm known to man, tramples on every ideal we Americans are supposed to hold dear, and it only made him MORE popular with those people. If Trump told his supporters to jump off cliffs en masse to own the libs they'd do it.
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u/PaupersSerenades 5d ago
He just asked Iran to nuke Camp Pendleton. I still don’t think that will sway the military block. They’re that entrenched.
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u/HandiCapableMuffin 5d ago
If they gave a shit they wouldn't be trying to send them to die in a desert somewhere on the other side of the world constantly.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
He's shat on veterans so many times, but those circlerjerkin dummies don't give a damn for some reason.
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u/Wonderful-Variation 5d ago
If John McCain had won the election, he wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Trump, no question about that. But that's a very low bar to clear.
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u/Dry_Counter533 5d ago edited 5d ago
Just broadly speaking … I don’t think it’s an accident that Trump happened right after the first black President.
Obama was so smart, so controlled, so disciplined, so competent … like this vision of what the world could be. It’s like white folks rejected it on a visceral level and chose chaos. We nuked our own futures rather than enjoy the dividends of black excellence. It was that threatening.
I’m not saying it right … you know how Jim Crow happened only after freed black men started to get elected to Congress after the Civil War? And the labor market distortions caused by coerced labor effectively blocked the south from innovating and industrializing? Centuries of economic degradation … shooting ourselves in the damn foot … is the price white folks are willing to pay to not have to think about black excellence, or black power. To put black power firmly in the rear-view. I kinda think of Trump like that.
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u/Dumptruck_Johnson 5d ago
Trump sucks for white people too, economically at least. But hey, got that green card to say racist shit and get a free pass. Win some, lose some.
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u/PaupersSerenades 5d ago
That’s the point of who you’re replying to.
They hate Black Americans so much they’d rather starve than see them as equal in any sense.
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u/MiI0rd 5d ago
In rallys, there were people who called Obama a foreigner etc. He corrected them and said he respected Obama. He was a real politician. Not one I supported, but he knew the word compromise
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u/TScottFitzgerald 5d ago
They called him an Ayrab to be specific. I also recall one guy calling him Barack Osama.
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 5d ago
To be clear, I agree he was better than today, but I will call out the way he addressed the claim.."He's an Arab." "No, he's a good family man." The implication being that Arabs aren't family men?
All that to say, I get where he was coming from and he wasn't trying to insult, but man it's not the BEST wording haha
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u/jsp06415 5d ago
I don’t disagree with you, but one has to go far afield to find a national leader worse than Trump. I can’t think of an American president that even comes close. Trump is fundamentally corrupt and incompetent and the regime is a direct threat to our democracy and democratic governments around the world. I’m in my 60s and a lifelong political observer. Nothing in our history approaches the staggering incompetence and monumental corruption of this clown
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u/Wray-Nerely 5d ago
I think McCain would have been a decent President, but Palin was not a good running mate
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u/Camper_102 5d ago
Palin sealed the election for Obama.
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
Tina Fey did that!
"I can see Russia from my house!"
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u/mightylordredbeard 5d ago
It’s hilarious how that quote from an SNL skit gets attributed as something she actually said lol I wonder if it annoys her? People believing she claimed to be able to see Russia from her house as opposed to commenting on how close Russia actually is to the US and how there is a part of Alaska where you can see Russian controlled land.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
Yeah he's still a Republican. Trump is just such a horrible person that we've forgotten what it used to be like. Republicans were always awful, they were just quiet about it.
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u/asminaut 5d ago
He would have appointed the same extremist Supreme Court Justices.
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u/DyingSunSeverian 5d ago
I don’t think they understand what the Republican Party in this country is.
I’ve seen people try to rehabilitate the Bush administration for fuck’s sake.
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u/big_rednexican_88 5d ago
I always wondered if John McCain had won the election in 2008, would Trump have still ran for president in 2016?
Without Trump's birther movement with Obama losing the presidency, he probably wouldn't have been glorified by the racists in America. In turn, there wouldn't be the MAGA movement either.
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u/Pristine-Bite2768 5d ago
I'm convinced Trump only won as a response to there being a black president. Republicans could not stand that. Now if there was a woman black president the republicans would run a KKK grand wizard and they would win.
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u/aCellForCitters 5d ago
John McCain never saw a middle eastern country he where didn't want to kill ever man, woman, and child. I really hate that people try to praise him. If hell exists, he's fucking burning
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u/Opposite_Pension_807 5d ago
I'm a Democrat and I had a lot of respect for Senator McCain! Sometimes I believed in some of the things he fought for. But what I really liked about him was he always tried to talk and try to find a compromise!
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u/ActiveReporter9964 5d ago
He is also the one that called out torture in the Bush Administration. I would have voted for him had he run again sans Palin.
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u/rpick6714 5d ago
McCain was a war monger. Just like all Republicans. Reason why I wouldn't vote for him. But yeh, he stood his ground against many Republican agendas.
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u/Obvious-Muffin2787 5d ago
Republicans have always been monstrous. John McCain voted against federalizing MLK Day, and he also refused to endorse Hillary Clinton in 2016 - back when there was a chance to stop it. Also unleashed Sarah Palin on the world. I could go on.
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u/CraftyFloor4684 5d ago
but obama took those hits and thousands more and kept walking. obama initiated healthcare reforms. the fact is that Obama was amazing and this guy was just enough of a gentleman to respect that. but he didn't do a thing as a senator. he's not a good man. he's just okay. obama is incredible!!
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u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire 5d ago
I'm not saying Obama isn't. Personally he's the best president we've had in the past 30 years. I'm saying I miss the days when there was an actual election between individuals that didn't devolve into the complete farce and circus that things have become with MAGA. Hell, even Romney was a much better opponent than Trump, JD, Rubio, and the like. I might not agree with McCain's or Romney's policies, and didn't vote for them, but you have to at least admit they were better than the conservative alternatives we currently have.
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u/epinkston 5d ago
The republican party died with him. There is no such party anymore. It is a Neo-Republican nationalist party convincing its uneducated and uninformed base that they are still republican.
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u/Still-Set-1234 5d ago
McCain still supported all of the terrible republican policies that led us to this point
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
Amen!
But that truly happened with the pardon of Nixon and the election of Reagan.
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u/Similar_Builder9358 5d ago
I disagreed with McCain on a lot of political things, but I still respected the guy.
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u/BassesNBikes 5d ago
I remember when he foisted Sarah Palin on the nation, providing the proof-of-concept for the Trump 2016 scampaign.
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u/outside_cat 5d ago
Thomas Massie has been pushing back. I'm not nominating him for sainthood but I give him credit where it's due.
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u/_Vinsanity_ 5d ago
Ok, I get it. But you have to understand that all republican policy since Regan has been engineered to stoke racial grievances and destroy the working class in favor of transferring wealth to rich and corporations. Decorum was lost 50 years ago because the rich realized they could propagandize a vast majority of the country as the fairness doctrine was done away with. Roger Ailes realized the GOP would proactively destroy the country perniciously because Regan’s presidency removed the guardrails. The Oligarch owned Media has enabled the rich to turbocharge this with minimal impact because they own the distribution of information. Now all these tech giants are poisoning your mind with reckless abandon. It’s very bad guys, i think it’s a wrap.
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u/Kind_Fix7025 5d ago
McCain deserves the respect. I didn't agree with his views on a lot of subjects, but he was a man of character and served his country and never whined about it. Today's republican party specifically Trump could learn a lot from a guy like McCain. Like being fair, decent and human. End of rant
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u/Glum_Comparison6523 5d ago
That's a real hero and a good man right there. Something the Republicans nowadays lack.
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
He was a Republican at a time when we knew the party was Racist towards Obama, had a racist history of culture wars from Reagan and his 80's racist welfare queens policy. He was still a Republican after we knew the Republican party had lied to get us into a war in Iraq, killing millions of innocent civilians.
McCain might have done something noble once in 1971 by staying in that prison camp, instead of letting his Admiral Father get him out, but I'd argue he was always a POS worthy of the trash bin, snd the real reason he stayed in that camp was because of his interpersonal relationship with said Admiral Father, wanting to prove he was a man, make his father proud, while at the same time punishing his father with mental and emotional abuse unknowing his sons condition.
Fuck McCain. He just wasn't brave enough to show the true face of the party he supported, and arguably on a different day, would have acted differently.
Fuck Republicans. And everyone who supports them.
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u/freedom_french_fries 5d ago
Thank you. So sick of milquetoast "they go low we go high" liberals going to all these lengths rehabbing the images of ghouls like him and George W.
And the big impressive evidence of his character is him saying, "No, no ma'am, he's not a Muslim. He's a good man." Then he sang a funny ditty about bombing Iran.
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u/Fit-Upstairs-5363 5d ago
He was not a good man. This is such a bullshit altering of history. He cheated on his first wife with his second one, and was also part of the Keating Five, among many other scandals. He's just another piece of shit grifting republican.
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u/heyhayyhay 5d ago
He was probably the last decent republican. There certainly aren't any left.
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u/Power_Blaster 5d ago
Good man? I'm guessing all you know is that he was captured in Vietnam and he said one thing nice about Obama once. That about right?
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u/PoolGuyUnfiltered 5d ago
I didn't agree with his politics, but he was a decent man with more spine than the entire current GOP combined.
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u/Fun-Heron-7609 5d ago
Not just courage, integrity. Rivalry was policy difference, not a personal hatred.
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u/Admirable-Voice 5d ago
I remember when a McCain campaign surrogate popularized saying Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and when that was interrogated, he disingenuously started saying "George Walker Bush" and "George Herbert Walker Bush," which then stuck. It used to be "George Bush" and "George W. Bush," but now...
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u/iceColdCocaCola 5d ago
Simpler times when people just had “different opinions on what’s best” and genuinely wanted what’s best for the country. Now decisions are fueled on hate, revenge, jealousy, etc.
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u/Simple-Okra-4826 5d ago
And this is exactly when MAGA started to rise and decent conservatives started to be rinos. Conservatives lost their way and many of us along with the BS when this started. There was a time not one conservative liked or backed Trump until they realized all of their base was total a holes like Trump.
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u/dumbboyhappydude44 5d ago
Too bad he was convinced to have as his running mate that idiot from Alaska—a terrible example of his first big presidential decision. A good man.
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u/Leonardo_50 5d ago
Rush Limbaugh was the advocate for Sarah Palin. Let’s not forget his contribution to this insanity
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u/BadHombre91 5d ago
This guy was wildly racist and bloodthirsty. Even in that statement he insinuated you couldn’t be an Arab and a good person.
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
He was a POS!
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
He put on a kind and civil face, but that's how politics were back then. They shook hands and said good luck and laughed with each other, and then they went and bombed some brown people and unleashed crack on the ghettos.
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
That doesn't make him a hero, a good American, someone to vote for. He was always a POS!
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
Yup. Same with every single Republican. Every one of them has decided that the GOP's crimes, their lies, their racism, hatred, and disdain for everyone who isn't filthy rich and filling their pockets were the way to go. And yeah Dems suck in a lot of ways too but if anyone thinks they're at all the same.. boy are they severely uneducated.
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u/paolilon 5d ago
The biggest trick MAGA ever pulled was convincing Republicans to drop their ideals and good character
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u/Worried-Ebb-1699 5d ago
McCain is the only republican in my eligible voter age lifetime I’d ever vote for
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u/joesaysso 5d ago
I do remember this incident with John McCain. Honestly, it felt like a normal and expected response from him back then. But watch the video of it today, it can be found on YouTube, and my take away is different now. Today, my take away is that MAGA has been here the whole time. They are like worms. Trump just managed to get them all up on the surface at once, but they were always there down in the dirt. You'd occasionally see one or two of them if you moved a few rocks.
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u/vhill944 5d ago
That’s because John McCain knew how to lead. There are no leaders left in the Republican Party. Sheep, lots of sheep.
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u/LunariSeraphi 5d ago
You know shit's dire when John McCain is looked back upon more fondly than our current occupation
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u/VermicelliOwn6502 5d ago
Fun fact: McCain lost the Republicsn primary to Bush because Karl Rove ran a smear campaign saying his adopted Bangladeshi daughter was actually his illegitimate black kid.
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u/WileEWeeble 5d ago
That was grandstanding to appeal to middle. McCain had infinity opportunities to shame and stop Fox and his VP from implying Obama was a “secret Muslim”…and that Muslims aren’t just automatically bad.
He didn’t. He made a conscious choice to not take a stand on that and allow the propaganda on his side sow the fear of the secret Muslim and get votes from it.
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u/Difficult-Mood-3211 5d ago
I’d always take a humble military veteran over a draft dodging con man.
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u/RilohKeen 5d ago
I mean, he was voting for the same conservative “give more money to rich people and fuck everyone else” bullshit, but yeah, at least McCain wasn’t a raging dickhead asshole about it.
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u/Ok_Helicopter4276 5d ago
He stood there at the front of the Senate chamber. Held his arm out wide (despite the old injuries as a POW). Paused for effect and hit them with the thumbs down.
I truly believe if they had given him the nomination over W. In 2000 the world would be a very different place. His platform was fiscal conservatism over tax cuts, broad immigration reforms to allow workers to become citizens more easily, and he wanted campaign finance reform that would have killed off Super PACs.
When he finally got the nod in 2008 it was too late. He’d lost a step and compromised his core values for party loyalty, Once the handlers forced the pick of Pali it was over before it started.
I liked him in 00 but couldn’t support him in 08.ince.
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u/E-2theRescue 5d ago
That's not "courage", that is human decency.
And basic human decency died in the Republican Party after Nixon was elected.
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u/DamperBritches 5d ago
Arizona was also the last state to recognize Martin Luther King Jr. day because of him pandering to his racist constituents
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u/PopBulky7023 5d ago
They've considered him a traitor for years. They wanted a confederate, but got an American.
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u/amicalg 5d ago
I would probably vote for him. As a republican myself i want my party to have balls and have healty debate for an healty gouvernment. Not the MAGA crap
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u/Clone_JS636 5d ago
My dad voted Republican every election until 2012. He liked Obama as a president even if he considered himself Republican leaning (more conservative, Christian, etc). With the way the party is now, he's a "vote blue no matter who" mindset, and he talks a lot about how he mourns what the party used to be.
I can't relate, but I can at least empathize with that.
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u/amicalg 5d ago
I liked Obama, he was a good president. But i didn't liked every thing he did. I also didn't voted for him. But that do not mean i hated him.
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u/MagReg2020 5d ago
A respectable position. I disliked George W Bush as a liberal, but I never agreed with the claims he was "killing for oil" or some kind of sociopathic monster. He was a good man, but very not-competent for the challenges he faced. Trump is basically Satan to my mind, didn't like Hillary much either. I think Obama's going to be the best president I'd lived to see in office.
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u/Complex_Lab_6876 5d ago
Republican=MAGA at this point. Yall try to separate yourselves but you support their same precedents which have led to project 2025 being implemented. Just like a cop who watches another cop beat someone and acts like it’s not their fault when they could have stopped them if they made the moral decision.
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u/Jaystorm_7 5d ago
Same here. Could never be garbage like them. But I genuinely miss what it once was.
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u/Wray-Nerely 5d ago
I'm sorry you're party sucks now.
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u/amicalg 5d ago
They truly do. But even as a republican, i voted for Biden and Harris in the last tow election. I saw quickly in 2016 that trump was too far from my value as republican.
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u/Wray-Nerely 5d ago
I considered Rubio when he ran. Didn't know he's turn out to be so spineless.
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u/PuzzleheadedJob3047 5d ago
There are no reasonable republicans today. No John McCain types.
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u/AmericanCitizenry 5d ago
If you are STILL a Republican today, you are a fascist and i have no use for you. You'll be judged along with trump.
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u/External_Music_3927 5d ago
John McCain was a great American hero. It doesn’t matter what side of the aisle you’re on. He was a tremendous patriot.
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u/HoldItBetweenUrKnees 5d ago
I have a tremendous respect for all that serve, especially if they are deployed in a war zone. That said, McCain was not a good aviator. He was not a good midshipman at The Naval Academy. Read any biography about McCain. His fellow midshipmen said he was too hot-headed to be in a leadership roll. He finished 894th out of 899 graduating seniors in 1958. Everyone that knew him said that he did not possess the intelligence to fly. But when your father is an admiral in the Navy and Commander-in-Chief, Pacific Command, you get to fly anyway. Yes, he got shot down. Yes, he spent 5-1/2 years in a POW camp. Yes, he refused to be released early because of who his father was. If his father wasn’t in command at the time, McCain would not be allowed to pilot a plane. He wouldn’t have been shot down. If he were a more competent pilot, could he have been more reactive with counter-measures? Perhaps a better pilot, in the exact same situation, doesn’t get shot down. It’s like the morons that climb a peak that they are not qualified to climb and have to be air-lifted off the mountain. Are they brave for trying or stupid by placing themselves in the situation?
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u/OrganicHistorian2576 5d ago
I didn’t agree with him on much, but I could respect him as a human being.
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u/GreatService9515 5d ago
I voted for him. I used to mostly vote republican. When there were some worth voting for
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u/CourtneyStefin 5d ago
This is the worst result of orange fuckface, we have lost all decorum in our government and it actually relied on that to work properly. When people were decent first and could lose with character. Completely gone and it is spiraling out of control with these useful idiots in charge of the billionaires interests
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u/PapaGummy 5d ago
Courage ye, but even more - integrity. If any of the GOP had integrity, the courage would follow.
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u/Kannada-JohnnyJ 5d ago
Integrity in politics is a reflection of how they believe they need to act. If Fox News and social media is reacting positively to Trump, then that’s what they give us. In a way Fox News and social media created Trump
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u/Tasty_Orange_1714 5d ago
Honor is a thing of the past now, at least as far as the GOP are concerned.
Edit: Rest well Bro. McCain.
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u/fitzysbuna 5d ago
and he also stood up for Australia when trump and friends leaked a call about our Prime minister ! RIP American Hero John McCain !
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u/tschawartz12 5d ago
I remember him coming in off the top ropes with the 3am thumbs down vote that prevented Obama care from being repealed. Then Trump criticized the hell out of him and later on tried to take credit for saving it.
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u/Cyrano_Knows 5d ago
MAGA turned against Regan and or shoved their fingers in their ears and shouted FAKE NEWS FAKE NEWS at the concept that maybe Trump has tariffs wrong due to Reagan having once giving a very clear and concise speech about why he was against the idea of using them (too broadly or strongly).
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u/External_Music_3927 5d ago
McCain was a great man despite being a republican. His was the deciding vote to secure Obamacare for millions of people. He always treated his office with respect, dignity and integrity.
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u/Darkcwboy 5d ago
Thomas Massie is almost the only one I can think of that has courage to stand up against the stupidity. At least hes starting to call out shit more now thst he got voted out. Hes like 🤷🏻♂️ what do I have to loose now.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5d ago
I'll give him credit for that, but it's only because he's on his way out. He could've spoken up at any time before, but he didn't, because he knows if you speak against the king, he'll fund your opponents and demean you on Fox News and Truth Social and you'll lose.
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u/MaddyKet 5d ago
I firmly believe it was the fact that he had cancer and he saw first hand what happens (and realized he was lucky with US paying his healthcare) that made him vote thumbs down. Conservatives only care when it happens to them.
That being said, I don’t think he was a truly terrible guy like all republicans are now. He was definitely the last of his kind.
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u/MasterChiefette 5d ago
The difference between McCain and current MAGA/Republicans is McCain is a decent human being...they aren't.
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u/Tom1952Phx 5d ago
True and so Sad. John was a hero and more a Statesman and Man of Integrity Hegseth and Rubio along with Late Senator from South Carolina who used to learn from Senator McCain. But that golf game with Trump really got hom rattled
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u/Informal_Process2238 5d ago
McCain did the absolute minimum any decent person should have done in those situations he is only extraordinary compared to the dregs of society the average republican politician
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u/CasimirGabriev 5d ago
No, McCain was an asshole. "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." He used a slur against Vietnamese people in an interview.
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u/CyanLight9 5d ago
I remember when people pretended to be decent. Now they can't even bother with that.
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u/PaladinHan 5d ago
We need to stop romanticizing the pre-Trump GOP. MAGA didn’t come out of nowhere; it’s been building to this ever since the party realignment began in the 60s and 70s. Trump was the inevitable result of decades of anti-intellectualism and white supremacy wrapped up in nationalism. All he did was free them to say the quiet parts out loud.
The so-called “Never-Trumpers” still vote with him 95 percent of the time.
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u/shershae 5d ago
He lost because of this. Winning is more important than doing what is right in todays political climate. People will knowingly vote against their self interest to hurt the ones they hate.
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u/StevieTvboy 5d ago
They have traded in their morals and dignity in order to keep power. They are afraid of him and his followers coming to their houses
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u/FreshLiterature 5d ago
Because McCain lost and Republicans ALWAYS learn the wrong lesson when they lose.
The entire Party is optimized towards accumulating power. They suck at governing.
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u/mOOnKuLT 5d ago edited 5d ago
Nobody currently in the republican party spent 6 years in a Vietnamese POW prison camp during that war we should've have been in. Surely it gave him a slightly different perspective.
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u/Sir_thinksalot 5d ago
His daughter went all in on the anti-American pro-Trumpism once he died. It was very sad and made her look horrible.
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u/LazerWolfe53 5d ago
The guy was a honest class act and actually had honor.
However, does it bug anyone that he didn't bother addressing that the woman was calling Obama an Arab like it was an insult?
"He's an Arab!"
"No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man."
Imagine someone saying that about any other race "He's half white"
"No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man."
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u/Federal_Dependent296 5d ago
I disagreed with McCain/Republicans on everything, but at least him, you could have Respect for. I haven’t respected a Republican since. Honestly, since then, I consider most Republicans to be Traitors to the United States Of America!
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two7358 5d ago
I disagree with most of McCains policies and directions, however he at least had a belief system and integrity.
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u/retroplayer1990 5d ago
McCain was as conservative red party member as one can ever be. Yet, in comparison to many others now adays, the man had morals. Plus he was a patriot not a traitor.
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u/FlailingatLife62 5d ago
mccain wasn't perfect, but the dude had principals and morals and he had more backbone than any of the lowly worthless worms in the repub party now. this is a man who was given the chance to be released early from POW prison in Vietnam, and he refused because they wouldn't also let out his fellow prisoners at the same time. Dude had BALLS. Real ones.
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u/PeePeeKitties88 5d ago
Have you ever talked to a Muslim person about how they felt when McCain did that? He basically drew a line between being Muslim and being a decent person like he felt Obama was. And liberals everywhere rejoiced about how good a person McCain was by saying that Obama was not a Muslim because he was a decent person.
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u/jander05 Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup 🫖 5d ago
Or when it was understood that we are all on the same side. Its because McCain was one of the last real patriots in that party who put country first.
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u/Southpolarman 5d ago
I did not agree with John McCain's politics. I will also never say he did not have this country's best interest at heart. He was the last of the reasonable republicans who would talk and not use hyperbole and rhetoric constantly. Again he stood for what he believed in. Today's republicans stand for whatever the orange ballsac wants them to that day.
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u/whenisnowthen 5d ago
John McCain was a conservative, and did not pretend to be anything other than what he was. If you disagreed with his political views he would make his case and listen to yours. The fact that Donald Trump hated him so much says a great deal of positive things about John McCain. Senator McCain's strength of character and his intrinsic morality are characteristics that are no longer tolerated in the GOP.
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u/Jpatrickburns 5d ago
I have two words for you. Sarah Palin.