r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • • Sep 13 '26

Meme needing explanation Peta?

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u/acceptbellybuttonpic Sep 13 '26

Oil is more profitable than solar. Well, in the short term. Once the planet becomes unlivable and the consumer market severely diminished, oil is going to be much less profitable.

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u/Prestigious-Pace1500 Sep 13 '26

Solar is actually more profitable these days, though the switch happened very recently. Makes you wonder

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u/acceptbellybuttonpic Sep 13 '26

It's more affordable thanks to grants and production and installation provide a lot of jobs, but it's less profitable for the comically wealthy. Good for the economy though. You don't have monopoly giants moving mass profits around like a shell game through shipping, refining, drilling, the list goes on. In time solar may generate its own barrons that play that game but it's not the tycoon industry like oil is.

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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 Sep 13 '26

This is just not true. Solar became cheaper per watt around 2019/2020.

This is from a pure cost analysis standpoint so money from grants arent included.

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u/Prestigious_Aerie219 29d ago

I thought this thread was about how profitable it is for the 1%. The guy you replied literally agreed it's more affordable already.

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u/Sensitive_Bat_9211 29d ago

He specifically said its more profitable because its subsidized.

Ignoring that fossil fuels are also subsidized, solar outcompetes all fossil fuels including coal and natural gas on an even playing field

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u/Zestyclose-One9041 29d ago

It amazes me that you idiots are able to tie your shoes in the morning holy

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u/Dustfinger4268 29d ago

Solar is cheaper per watt, but it's pretty much a one time investment. Buy the panels and you get the energy. With oil, you get to continually make money by controlling its flow

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u/Fragglepusss 26d ago

Energy economists call it VALCOE. Even when adding transmission upgrades and storage, the full system cost rarely exceeds $70-80/MWh. Nuclear is usually $120-150/MWh.

The issue is, that's only if solar comprises the minority of energy production. If renewables comprised >50% of the energy supplied to the grid, then we would need to switch from short-term to long-term battery storage and overbuild transmission and storage capacity to account for seasonal fluctuations in generation (e.g. winter storms), which would push the VALCOE of renewables over those of fossil fuels and nuclear. So even though renewables are now technically cheaper, they can never be the backbone of the grid barring a major innovation in battery technology.

There are simultaneously misconceptions that solar/renewables are cheaper and more expensive than fossil fuels. Both are kind of true. Energy is complicated, so not easy to talk about in a would where 1-sentence hyperbole is the discourse.

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u/acceptbellybuttonpic Sep 13 '26

...so it's not true as long as you don't take reality into account? What's your point here? Are we disagreeing anywhere?

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u/Accomplished_Fly2720 29d ago edited 29d ago

Them: "Solar is cheaper than oil now"

You: "Well it's cheap because of subsidies"

Them: "Even accounting for that, solar is cheaper than oil"

You: <cringe snarky comment>

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u/Puzzled-Party-2089 29d ago

They're saying it's cheaper than oil even without the subsidies lol so it's even cheaper with them?