r/Nietzsche • u/Due_Juggernaut_6261 • 1d ago
Question Would it be Nietzschean to scream at women and call them foids?
I never read Nietzsche btw
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u/joker3015 1d ago
It’s not nietzschean to ask for permission
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u/Due_Juggernaut_6261 1d ago
Emergency gigaquote needed
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u/Orangebathroomtowel 1d ago
The Übermensch would make up his own derogatory terms instead of using foid
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u/Dark-Arts 1d ago
Hmm. So the Nietzsche reading club I joined is not a good place to meet women? That explains a few things.
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u/BetaMyrcene 1d ago
Women love to read Nietzsche we just do it in private because we don't need to be part of a herd.
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u/BackendofForever 1d ago
No in order for it to be true and real Nietzsche you have to find a way to call women foids poetically
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u/Parliament_Of_Daleks 19h ago
"The female contagion known as feminism is dripping in slave morality and desiring to make the whole equal in weaponized miscontent and helplessness"
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 17h ago edited 13h ago
Yeah, Nietzsche doesn't see woman as equal but higher. Fools (90% of retards in the Nietzscheans discord)
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u/Due_Juggernaut_6261 13h ago edited 13h ago
"The happiness of man is: I will. The happiness of woman is: he wills." - Friedrich Nietzsche https://imgur.com/a/O1qTIHz
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 13h ago edited 13h ago
But do you even know why Nietzsche details that? Look up Hath 415 Love...
Love was originally an intelligence device to gain power over men. Having grown accustomed to the exaggerated account and idealising of Love, women became ensared to the ideal. Thus being ensared, women now mold themselves to "Das weib". Aka mans conception of "Woman."
Which is why ....
Women still have impersonal scorn for "Woman" (BGE 86).
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u/Parliament_Of_Daleks 13h ago
Wittgenstein crying in his grave. Bro did you just not read the comment I was responding to. Also "superior"? I'm sorry did you not understand Nietzsche, the entire viewing of looking at what things are and talking about its dimensions and relationships to the worlds at the time? Like, you actually just proved my point by engaging in sheer slave morality becausr of my joke. Silly human, no wonder daleks are the superior race.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 13h ago edited 13h ago
Slave morality is a morality based out of denying the life values of others. Try reading Genealogy of Morals, specially 10 & 11 from the fiest essay.
Yes, for Nietzsche feminism is shit because "Woman comes DOWN from an ELEVATION to be with man." Also "The perfect woman is a higher type of humanity than the perfect man."
Why? Because as Nietzsche details: The noble man sees the eternally feminine as that which draws them aloft, where the noble woman sees its the eternally masculine that draws her aloft...
And there's supposed to be an s at the end of fools. Talking specifically about a ton of the retards in the "Nietzschean" discord who toss around the term foid. Sorry bout the misunderstanding.
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u/Parliament_Of_Daleks 13h ago
Slave morality is denial of life itself. Stoicism was slave morality and that wasn't denying the life values of others, only lessening life to its lowest value. Slave morality drips with resentment, and your comments are ringing with it. I make a joke and your trying to prove it statistics wrong with actual passages like it would change the bases of the arguement. Even is I say, fine we disagree with the definition of slave morality nothings changes with the sentiment itself. Also again, your quote missing the mark. Even if he was absolute in those ideals, he us talking about the highest percentage of men and women, ignoring that my comment is talking about the state of current womenhood, not the best. I don't even care about your gender war, I believe it for the lessers to care, those trapped by material conditions. Modern politics are below us was Nietzsche's mentality no? Regardless I know even this is just my slave morality wanting to "defend" my arguement. I write this and no more.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 13h ago edited 12h ago
Nothing for you to defend, when Nietzsche tells it straightforward. It's obvious you don't know what slave morality is.
The revolt of the slaves in morals begins in the very principle of resentment becoming creative and giving birth to values—a resentment experienced by creatures who, deprived as they are of the proper outlet of action, are forced to find their compensation in an imaginary revenge. While every aristocratic morality springs from a triumphant affirmation of its own demands, the slave morality says "no" from the very outset to what is "outside itself," "different from itself," and "not itself": and this "no" is its creative deed. This volte-face of the valuing standpoint—this inevitable gravitation to the objective instead of back to the subjective—is typical of "resentment": the slave-morality requires as the condition of its existence an external and objective world, to employ physiological terminology, it requires objective stimuli... [Pg 35]
You want to detail stoicism as slave morality because it suits you. But that's just you reifying Nietzsche's concepts because they're still too abstract for you even though he details precisely what slave morality is. And stoicism isn't a slave morality. Stoicism was a response to the drastically changing Greek culture which was rapidly adopting slave moralist values via dolts like Socrates.
There is no gender war dumbass ... lol, not woth Nietzsche.
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u/LibertyJ10 1d ago
While your question made me laugh, it does not matter if it is Nietzschean or not. You matter more than Nietzsche.
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u/Secure_Description92 1d ago
No he didn't, did you read any of his books?
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 17h ago
You're a dumbass because you don't know that Nietzsche isn't speaking about women when he talks about Das Weib... thats the non gend see red form of woman/women he's talking about mans conception of women which he calla "Das Weib."
Have you read any?
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u/Secure_Description92 13h ago
That's very rude.
I was referring to the meme. I am not concerned with your argument.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 12h ago
That's the problem with so many readers of Nietzsche. They're just such poor readers. And simply do not understand why even rudeness is a necessity in terms of life affirmation.
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u/RaccoonLogical5906 1d ago
I do not know if it is Nietzschean or not. The Nietzsche I have read has tended to be dismissive of women but I have only read the Gay Science. I think it is important to find the good and important points thinkers have made and toss out the rest.
So, is it Nietzschean to scream at women and call them foids? I do not know.
But it certainly is one way to be a complete and utter dickhead.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 17h ago
You're a shit reader. The Dionysian is Woman.
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u/RaccoonLogical5906 16h ago
You're an angry commenter. Thanks for the tip.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 16h ago edited 16h ago
Nah, words make people feel all sorts of ways. Most people are shit readers.
- In the background of all their personal vanity, women themselves have still their impersonal scorn—for "woman".
Die Weiber selber haben im Hintergrunde aller persönlichen Eitelkeit immer noch ihre unpersönliche Verachtung - für das "Weib".
Learn German conjugation... or at least how Nietzsche uses the conjugations.
Die Weiber (Women) Ein Weib ( a Woman) Das Weib (Man's conception of Woman)
Or do you really think man created women from his rib?
Man created woman—out of what? Out of a rib of his god,—of his “ideal.”
Der Mann hat das Weib geschaffen - woraus doch? Aus einer Rippe seines Gottes, - seines "Ideals"…
It is men," he called out, "who corrupt women; and everything that women lack should be atoned for and improved in men—for man creates for himself the ideal of woman, and woman moulds herself according to this ideal."
"Die Männer sind es, rief er, welche die Weiber verderben: und Alles, was die Weiber fehlen, soll an den Männern gebüsst und gebessert werden, – denn der Mann macht sich das Bild des Weibes, und das Weib bildet sich nach diesem Bilde."
It's obvious you missed 68 Will and Willingness from Gay Science. Obviously you barely read Gay Science... rather you did a cursory skimming really.
Hence you're one of the many Nietzsche writes about here:
The Worst Readers. —The worst readers are those who act like plundering soldiers. They take out some things that they might use, cover the rest with filth and confusion, and blaspheme about the whole.
I changed worst to shit, because well... it makes worst readers feel some sorta way.
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u/RaccoonLogical5906 16h ago
Me not knowing German hasn't exactly helped, I'll grant you that.
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u/I-mmoral_I-mmortal Swohlgeraten 16h ago edited 16h ago
I'm trolling half the time I'm on here. Just trying to make it more enjoyable for me. But yeah, I do have a reputation for shit talking. But it's just that, a bogus judgement. But also, I tend to offer ragebait and some actual knowledge just to see how people respond. You handled yourself well. And it's a relatively harmless way of embracing the mischievous bullshit of human instincts.
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u/Born_Committee_6184 1d ago
No. Some of Nietzsche’s notions are messed up. There is silly thinking but anyone can do it.
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u/1nc0gn3eato 17h ago
Are there even any mods on this sub anymore? This place used to have some cool discussions now it’s just poop.
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u/Electronic-Bet-5106 1d ago
Nietzsche talks about this
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u/Nico_021896 1d ago
Nietzsche died in 1900, and "foid" is internet slang from the 21st century. So he clearly never used the word, and he couldn't have had a concept for something that didn't exist yet. Nietzsche held views many today would call sexist, but "foid" is a specific modern slur that dehumanizes women and has no equivalent in his vocabulary or way of thinking. Treating the two as the same thing blurs an important difference between condescending essentialism and outright dehumanization.
That said, Nietzsche did write some famously dismissive and provocative things about women, especially in Beyond Good and Evil and Thus Spoke Zarathustra. For example, he wrote, "You are going to women? Do not forget the whip!" He also suggested women aren't suited to certain kinds of intellectual work, and claimed that a man's happiness is "I will" while a woman's is "he wills." But we need to read these carefully. They aren't dehumanizing in the way "foid" is—that slur denies women's basic humanity, while Nietzsche's sexist remarks are condescending and essentialist but still treat women as human, just fundamentally different in nature and role. That's a different kind of sexism. His remarks are also often rhetorical and ironic; he frequently wrote provocatively to unsettle readers, and scholars debate how literally to take him. Some passages seem meant to mock the men around him rather than express his own settled view. Context matters too: his views were shaped by 19th-century European gender norms, and he had complicated relationships with several intellectual women, including Lou Salomé, Cosima Wagner, and his sister Elisabeth.
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u/Due_Juggernaut_6261 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nietzsche is a Bharat Ubermensch https://imgur.com/a/O1qTIHz
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u/BetaMyrcene 1d ago
The scolding humorless "person" you're replying to used AI lol.
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u/Due_Juggernaut_6261 1d ago
You didn’t just use AI—you transformed your explanation. 💖😌 And honestly? That’s growth. 🌱✨
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u/xelleseittaneu 1d ago
Schopenhauerian