Ah yes. A schedule that features the Bills, Vikings, Chiefs, Bears, Packers, and Lions is surely the 4th easiest remaining schedule in the NFL by any justifiable metric...seriously whoever made this might be the dumbest motherfucker I've ever heard of
The Jags have a pretty good track record of getting to the AFCCG when we do actually make the playoffs. That just doesn't happen that often
I was moreso referring to the fact that the Jags have already made Maye look like the worst QB in the league this year so Maye is not in fact coming for the Jags. If they meet in the playoffs, it'll probably be in Jacksonville, and I would not be worried.
He's a young QB going through ups and downs. He had a breakout year last season and now teams have new tape on him, so he has to adjust his game. This is incredibly common in NFL history, but for some reason if a young QB struggles for a few weeks we immediately call them a "bust."
This year has been incredible for that phenomenon league wide. 1st couple weeks, every winner was going to the Super Bowl, every loser was a washed up fraud. I saw a post where someone said Aaron Rodgers was never elite. This is the year of bipolar fans.
It's also just the first 4 weeks of the season are so wonky because there is no longer a functional preseason in the NFL. I always think of Trent Dilfer. Well coached teams don't emerge until week 5.
Yeah seriously, the amount of completely serious commentary on the pats tanking and taking a qb in next years draft was INSANITY haha. This year has been so reactionary it’s been so stupid.
Great point. There’s only a few Qb’s that were good right from the get go and stayed good/great through the next couple years. Mahomes and Burrow come to mind but Burrow is a stretch because of injuries. Before that. Big Ben? Many of the greats had some horrible seasons early in their careers.
People saying Drake maye is ass need to get a grip on reality. He was second in mvp voting last year (and imo should have won it) and is absolutely elite with the ball and has great mechanics. Easily a top 10 qb in the league rn and it’s not close
Lmao. These people talking bout some schedule need to realize that an nfl team, no matter how bad it is, is a PROFESSIONAL team with athletes getting paid millions. It’s not like college where you can pay a school to play a team of walk one and steam roll them.
I say this as a die hard NE fan. Those first 3 weeks warranted criticism. He was making mistakes that were completely out of character and suggested maybe something had gone terribly wrong. He wasn’t just being let down by the rest of the team, he was making it look like he didn’t understand the game.
I was holding my breath and hoping it was an aberration, but I was definitely worried. And I wasn’t wrong to worry, he legitimately didn’t look good. And now he returned to from which is great. But it doesn’t mean those earlier concerns were uncalled for.
Yeah for sure but 3 weeks doesn’t define a guy. I’m just saying I’m sick and tired of these people talking about some “meatball maye” or “Drake the schedule maye” bullshit, acting like he didn’t carry his team to the Super Bowl last year.
I just found the parallel narratives surrounding Darnold and Maye in the playoffs last year so damn hilarious.
People were praising Darnold as an example of why QBs shouldn’t be written off so quickly…
While simultaneously writing off Maye — the league’s youngest starter, coming off an MVP-level season better than any Darnold ever had — because he wasn’t immediately great against top-5 defenses in the playoffs while throwing to Diggs and Hollins behind a crappy O-line.
Yeah, I don't know if you can call it, "a bad game" so much as, "helmed a stretch of dogshit football". He wasn't great in the playoffs last year, or the SB. You can forgive that in my opinion, since he's so young. That's a ton of pressure.
Starting off this year the same way, it was tough to have any kind of optimism, however. He looked scared as fuck out there.
This is his 3rd season in the league and he is STILL the 2nd youngest starting QB only after Dart, who is currently out for the season. So he's technically the youngest. He's a baby. He needs grace to grow and learn which apparently no one has the patience for.
I completely agree. However, he started out OK, then became pretty good, then became mediocre as hell.
Towards the end of last season, he threw the football like he forgot to pull the chicken breast out of the freezer, and his Mom was pulling into the driveway after a double shift. Pure panic.
I honestly think it was panic. Again he's so young. He entered the NFL draft early. Bo Nix has something like 30 games more experience than Maye. I think it was just a deer in headlights situation all playoffs. He was probably like, I am no where near ready for this, but I don't have a choice. And I can't blame the guy for that. Can you imagine having to lead a super bowl team at 23? I would have crumpled into the fetal position under the bench at that age.
Same. That's pressure cooker shit, for real. I've gotten up to some wild, high pressure shit before. It also wasn't televised to the entire nation. With close ups.
When he’s playing well he looks like a top 4-5 qb in the league. I would describe him as a player with potential to be a perennial mvp candidate if he can be consistent. That’s very different from “very solid”, but maybe we’re both biased in different directions.
Kids an evangelical, honestly at least he believes the earth is round and not 6k years old 🤷. I also watched Gronk and Brady for years so maybe my expectations of football player intellectualisum are pretty low
Patriots came out of the rough stretch of their schedule 3-2 with 6 very winnable games coming up and we did this without our best offensive skill player in AJ brown and our best defensive player in Gonzo.
We will be a scary team come December once everyone gets healthy. Maye is building chemistry with his 3/4th option receivers rn .
Not really. There’s guys who literally can’t function sometimes. Through 4 weeks he had the 6th best epa/play disregarding turnovers. Obviously the turnovers were him playing bad but on a down to down basis he was still fine. He’s always going to be a little turnover prone just because of how he plays but the turnover rate was always going to come down from where it was weeks 1-3.
A very commonly used one. Which is why they have a button that say “disregard turnovers”. Turnovers usually account for less than 5% of dropbacks yet drastically affect epa (which it should) so people like to see how qbs play the other 95% of their dropbacks.
No its not, Josh allen is still very good when not including his touchdowns, they just make him better. Inversely, Drake was playing relatively well outside of some boneheaded turnovers which were outliers. Once his turnovers return to his average, his play rebounded significantly. It’s not hard to understand.
He's baby Josh Allen. Allen's highs are fucking awesome and his low games are painful to watch. Allen has been around a lot longer and he's been able to lessen those lows a lot. I hope Maye in a few years can do the same. He's still very young. There are college QBs older than him.
I mean Drake Maye had nothing to lose playing the Bills. Lose = "Bills were a tough opponent anyway". Win = "we won an important game and get momentum even if everything isn't fixed". I just think you'll have to accept every game outcome will now become a conduit for shitting on the Patriots again lol
He’s very obviously a top half of the league QB and perennial starter. Question is whether he is worthy of the MVP hype and top 5 status. Jury is still out on that as he has to show he can beat good defenses
But I thought 1st in takeaways, 1st in forced fumbles, 4th in sacks, and an allowed average passer rating of 85 was gonna be a big problem for Drake Maye 🤔
The Raiders entered the game leading the league in forced turnovers, 4th in EPA per play, and 8th in DVOA. They held Mahomes to 50% completion last week.
It is literally beyond autism and just pure retardation if you find the Patriots comment to be in any way 1) unreasonable or 2) the aggressor in this instance. Literally you are a retarded person.
Do fans really think there is that large of a gap between a good and a bad NFL defense? Not the best and the worst, a generally good vs a generally bad defens. So much so That a guy can go from averaging 0 TDs and 2 TOs per game to averaging 4 TDs and 1 TO per game?
What actually happened is that his confidence got destroyed and the offense apparently used the first 3 weeks as a preseason. I’m not saying he’s going to keep putting up 400 yards and 5 TDs, but even against good defenses moving forward he’s not always going to be held out of the end zone and commit multiple turnovers.
Even last year he played 6 of the 10 defenses that had a positive EPA on the season. In those games he completed 62% of his passes for 8 yards per attempt, 7% TD%, and 3% INT%. Thats damn good.
If you take his numbers against those top 10 defenses and average them out over a full season, he would have had 3900 passing yards, 34 TDs, and 14 INTs.
Yes there can be a large gap between a good and bad nfl defense. I watch a really bad one every week lol. Lions make bad or average qbs look good all the time.
I like drake maye and think he’s a good qb I do think there are some legit criticisms of him in regards to playing more difficult teams or defenses but some of that is more patriots roster and coaching issues than just simply drake maye schedule merchant
There can be, but it’s not at all like people are describing in this thread. The teams he played last year were largely average on defense. The main criticisms against him shouldn’t have anything to do with quality of opponent, but more his fumbling and his tendency to try and force plays when there’s nothing there.
He’s a good QB and he’s largely looked good against all levels of competition. He’s not immune to off weeks or questionable mistakes. He’s also not playing 14 games against the 3 worse defenses ever and 3 games against the 2025 Seahawks.
Yes but his turnovers and forcing plays will mainly come into play vs better teams and not bad ones. I do think he’s a good qb though and will overcome that stuff longterm
Are you trying to judge a defense like the Raiders 4 games or are you talking about teams that have proven they are a good defense over a consistent stretch?
Idk that maye is all that great. But one good game against the raiders doesn’t nudge me in the right direction. Lions defense looked good against the cards. Is the lions defense good?
he’s still only 24. definitely needs to get better against advanced coverages like your guys. I’d assume the vikings would be really tough for Maye by the same thought.
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u/Reditall12 11h ago
Drake is an ass man