[NO SPOILERS] Confusion in family tree of House Targaryen

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

I've just finished Game of Thrones and started watching A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, and the names of House Targaryen members, is so confusing i can't watch AKotSK properly...and i haven't watched House of Dragons as well...so if there is someone who can help me out with the Targaryen family, It'd be a great favor.

[u/KausGo]

Its pretty long and complicated. Did you have a specific question in mind or were you looking for a general order of succession?

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/KausGo]

about the aegons, aemons, and many names that seems very similar, and just confused me, like they called Jon as aegon, that seems okay cuz lyanna named it, but then when i asked Chatgpt about it, i got confused between elia and lyanna's kids, and then there were many aegons as well, like when today i watched AKotSK's first eps, there was Egg, which seems to be aegon as welllll
sorry if i am confusing you as well🙂🙂

[u/KausGo → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

Ok - so there are 5 Aegons in total to keep track of, with the possible 6th being Jon Snow or Rhaegar's other son, depending on whether you follow the book or the show.

Aegon I was the conqurer - the guy who took the 6 kingdoms (all except Dorne) with his 2 sister-wives and 3 dragons. He had 2 sons from each sister-wife - Aenys and Maegor.

Aenys I succeeded Aegon, but he was a weak king. He had many kids, but ended up dying of stress because people kept rebelling under him.

Maegor the Cruel, Aenys' younger brother, usurped the crown after his death. Killed a bunch of his nephews and nieces, but never had kids of his own. Turned a whole bunch of people against him with his tyranny and was found dead on the throne.

Jaehaerys I was one of Aenys' sons who took the throne from Maegor. By all accounts, the best king Westeros has ever had. Ruled long and well, but ended up outliving his sons who were supposed to rule after him. He wanted a peaceful transition of power, so he let the people choose his successor - they chose his grandson by the younger son instead of granddaughter by his older one.

Viserys I, Jahaerys' grandson became king after him. Also ruled long, but picked his elder daughter Rhaenyra to succeed him instead of his younger son by second marriage, Aegon II.

This brings us to the Dance of dragons (House of Dragon timeline) - Targaryen civil war. Rhaenyra and Aegon II duked it out in a huge war that killed all the dragons and most of the Targaryens. The survivors were Rhaenyra's youngest sons Aegon III and Viserys II.

Aegon III took the throne. Ruled fine. Left it to his son Daeron I.

Daeron I conquered Dorne, but died when they rebelled and murdered him during peace talks. Throne passed to his younger brother Baelor.

Baelor the Blessed was a religious nutjob. Built the Sept of Baelor (the one Cersei blows up). Died childless after fasting because he thought sex was a sin.

With Aegon III's male line gone, throne passed to the uncle, Viserys II. He ruled for a short time and died, leaving it to his son, another Aegon.

Brings us to Aegon IV - called the Unworthy and the worst king Westeros has ever had. Like Robert Baratheon, but stupider and more spiteful. Had a whole lot of bastards and 1 legitimate son. And out of pure spite legitimized all his bastards on his deathbed.

Next comes Daeron II, the Good. Married a Dornish princess, married his sister to a Dornish prince and finally added Dorne to the realm. But his problem was his bastard half-brothers that his dad had legitimized before dying. and 3 of those are significant.

a) Daemon Blackfyre - older bastard half-brother who figured he should be king and rebelled. And his sons and their sons went on to have 5 more rebellions trying to take the throne.

b) Bittersteel - another bastard who supported Blackfyre and went into exile, supporting their cause.

and most importantly c) Bloodraven - bastard who was Bittersteel's rival and supported Daeron. Eventually ended up at Nightwatch and then north of the Wall where he became the old man in the tree who trains Bran.

Getting back to the line of kings:

Daeron II had 4 sons who play a role in the Knight of Seven Kingdoms. Eldest died and so did his line, so after Daeron, the second one took the throne.

Aerys I - nerd's nerd who'd rather take a book to bed instead of his wife. Came after Daeron, but died without kids.

Third brother was nuts, so the crown passed to the 4th - Maekar I - father of "Egg". Ruled fine, but died putting down a rebellion.

Maekar had 4 sons too, but 1st died getting drunk, 2nd was a psycho-nutjob, 3rd was already a maester, so the crown went to the 4th - Egg, or Aegon V, the Unlikely

Bunch of relevant characters related to Aegon V:

Tywin Lannister was his cupbearer.

His daughter married a Baratheon and became the grandmother of Robert Baratheon.

His older brother, Aemon, became a maester and went on to serve the Night's Watch - that's Maester Aemon on the show.

Anyway, Aegon V ruled fine and then came his son Jahaerys II

Short rule from that guy and then came his son Aerys II - the mad king

Aerys had 3 kids - Rhaegar, Viserys and Danaerys. You should know what happened to Viserys and Dany.

Rhaegar was the heir - married Dornish princess and had 2 kids, Rhaenys and Aegon VI. Then ran away with Lyanna and had another baby, Jon Snow.

First 2 kids were supposedly killed on Tywin's orders when Rhaegar died and if Jon's real name is Aegon, then that might make him Aegon VI. But if Rhaegar's son Elia by survived, he'd be Aegon VI.

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/KausGo]

That's where i was getting confused
between aegon v and aemon, and the egg timeline,
though i didn't know about bloodraven, that was fascinating as welll,
the story's written so good everything just comes to end at one point, connecting every dots,
thanks for this, it helped very much.
and one more question...
someone told me that Ned Stark named Jon Snow after Jon Arryn, is that true???

[u/KausGo → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

Quite likely. He also likely named Robb after his friend Robert, Bran after his brother Brandon and Rickon after his father Rickard.

[u/bandalstyle]

Well you have to drop a specific question
But anyways

-Aegon VI (Jon Snow) is Egg’s Great-Great Grandchild.
-Maekar is Aegon VI’s 3x grand father
-AKOTSK is set 70-80 years after HOTD. King Daeron II is Rhaenyra’s Great Grandchild through Aegon IV, Her grandson to Viserys II
-Egg Is the Future Aegon V And the Great Grand Father to Daenerys
-a small fact he was burnt alive trying to revive dragons

If you’re wondering why Aegg became king it’s because Valarr and Matarys died the same year as their grandad. And then His uncle Aerys (not shown in the series) Died without a child.
They passed on Rhaegel the third son and his children for Maekar. Then Maekar died Coouncil chooses Egg the only one who agreed to become king.

[u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 → u/bandalstyle]

If he hasn't watched a knight of the seven kingdoms , he probably doesn't know who Egg is

[u/bandalstyle → u/Advanced_Zucchini_45]

He said he had watched AKOTSK but doesn’t understand who is whom

[u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 → u/bandalstyle]

" I can't watch Akotsk properly and I haven't watched House of Dragons AS WELL".

I must have misunderstood. I took that as him saying that he can't watch it because he doesn't know who the characters are and that's why he hasn't watched house the dragons either.

He said he started watching the knights of the seven kingdom so I just took that as him watching the first episode or something and then giving up , because again he doesn't know who any of the characters are.

And thankfully , that show doesn't waste a lot of time explaining who characters are which I love.

[u/bandalstyle → u/Advanced_Zucchini_45]

ur right He probably have no idea who are these people in the AKOTSK. They barely mentioned them. Actually did they even mentioned that generation

[u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 → u/bandalstyle]

I think one of the reasons why I loved that one so much , and it's probably one of the most popular seasons in the entire game of thrones universe is because they don't waste a lot of time explaining who the characters are. They kind of have expectations that if you're watching this , you have some idea of what's going on and I love that.

I mean to me , one of the worst scenes in all of game of thrones is in the first episode where I think it's santa is explaining to aria off screen , who robert and the queen and all the people are.

Exposition for the audience , because they think we're too stupid to figure it out

[u/bandalstyle → u/Advanced_Zucchini_45]

Ohh yess.. that scene. It wasn’t really that hard for me since I have a few knowledge about GOT before watching the shows. But I like the fact they just casually introduced them

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/bandalstyle]

i think...i should also watch House of dragons to really understand all of it....

[u/bandalstyle → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

Not really. When you finally understand the lore of the whole ASOIAF you’ll realize that not all of this matters. Just Check AWOIAF page since ai isn’t always accurate

[u/Stenric → u/bandalstyle]

Jon/Aegon isn't VI, as he is never king of the Seven Kingdoms.

If you're counting Aegon Targaryens, Jon/Aegon is Aegon X.

[u/goodmorningohio → u/bandalstyle]

Aegon vi 💀 holy larp

[u/vinny424]

I mean there are family trees online.

[u/Killpop582014]

Google has family trees. I mean it’s more a trunk cuz they’re all making babies with family members. It’s a long, thick ass trunk of incest. Lol

[u/dmurr1415 → u/Killpop582014]

I heard a historian talk about cleopatra and he described her family tree as the “family pole”. It reminds me of what you said

[u/Advanced_Zucchini_45]

There was 17 Targ Kings of Westeros.

Aegon I Targaryen ("The Conqueror") – Reigned 1–37 AC

Aenys I Targaryen – Reigned 37–42 AC

Maegor I Targaryen ("The Cruel") – Reigned 42–48 AC

Jaehaerys I Targaryen ("The Old King" / "The Conciliator") – Reigned 48–103 AC

Viserys I Targaryen – Reigned 103–129 AC

Aegon II Targaryen – Reigned 129–131 AC (note: Rhaenyra disputed this reign, but is traditionally omitted from the official royal number)

Aegon III Targaryen ("The Dragonbane") – Reigned 131–157 AC

Daeron I Targaryen ("The Young Dragon") – Reigned 157–161 AC

Baelor I Targaryen ("The Blessed") – Reigned 161–171 AC

Viserys II Targaryen – Reigned 171–172 AC

Aegon IV Targaryen ("The Unworthy") – Reigned 172–184 ACD

aeron II Targaryen ("The Good") – Reigned 184–209 AC

Aerys I Targaryen – Reigned 209–221 AC

Maekar I Targaryen – Reigned 221–233 AC

Aegon V Targaryen ("The Unlikely") – Reigned 233–259 AC

Jaehaerys II Targaryen – Reigned 259–262 AC

Aerys II Targaryen ("The Mad King") – Reigned 262–283 AC

Hope this helped

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/Advanced_Zucchini_45]

that was genuinely helpful....people are saying that just search it on google and shit, but it just creates more questions...leading to more complications, that's why i stopped using AIs as movies decoders..
thanks for this...

[u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

There's only a few of them that are actually important to the story.

Mostly Viseryus as his kids fought over his crown that is the story of House of Dragons.

The Mad King, Aerys the second, whose actions are what led to the original game of thrones show.

The others are part of a knight's of the seven kingdoms , but without ruining a storyline , their lineage isn't that important and it kind of gets explained pretty well when it is.

They're basically the royal family of westeros , and they inbreed , so about half of them are literally insane , and the other half are just spoiled and bored and rich.

It's like in the United States.I think there's been like forty five presidents , but there's only a handful of actually matter

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yeah, that's understandable, thanks for breaking it up,

[u/Stenric]

Okay, so akotsk takes place a small hundred years before the events of Agot.

The king is Daeron II Targaryen (son of Aegon IV). Daeron and his sister Daenerys are both married to Martells (which is how they got Dorne to become part of the Seven Kingdoms). Daeron has four sons.

His heir Baelor "Breakspear" Targaryen, has Dornish features and has two sons, Valarr and Matarys.

His second son is Aerys (a different one from the Mad King), who's a huge bookworm. He's childless because he's too busy reading.

His third son is Rhaegel. He's a bit of a weirdo, but also kind. He has a son and two daughters (none of which are really important to the story).

His fourth son is Maekar, who's a martial hardass. He has six children Daeron "the Drunk" Targaryen, Aerion "Brightflame" Targaryen, Aemon Targaryen (who's studying to be a Maester) and Aegon Targaryen. Plus two daughters, Daella and Rhae (also not very important for now).

Baelor and Maekar are both at Ashford with their sons, so they're the only ones you really have to remember.

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/Stenric]

thanks for making this easyy to understand.
Have a good day..

[u/AffectionateEast1820]

LOOK IT UP ON THE WIKI FUUUUUCK YOU PEOPLE MAKE ME SO ANGRY WTF

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/AffectionateEast1820]

sorry if it bothered you,
wiki, google, AIs, doesn't gives clarity to me that much as a real person gives...so i asked it here

[u/Aggravating_Pause385 → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

The information is easily available, you’re just asking for it to be spoon fed to you. At the same time, you’ve totally refused to ask anything specific

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/Aggravating_Pause385]

I didn't even know what was confusing me at some point😭, though someone broke it very easily, yeah information is available, i just wanted someone real to just help me through it, and i did asked him/her specific question, they explained well, thanks to them, thanks to you, i'll keep in mind to have specific questions, you're right about that, i'm sorry

[u/AffectionateEast1820 → u/Hot-Occasion-5105]

So you’re lazy and stupid then.

[u/Hot-Occasion-5105 → u/AffectionateEast1820]

i guess so

[u/PutATalismanInTheVan]

The wiki has a really great, basically interactive family tree, you can start at anyone and then work your way up and down, just avoid reading the actual outline of their life if you want to avoid spoilers

[u/moonstruck129]

Its easier the second time around

[u/gabriel_3131]

Te recomiendo que busques el árbol familiar directamente en internet. Porque se vuelve confuso rápido y más si no conoces a lo personaje

[u/SignificantBaker7366]

When my group of guys watched and rewatched all of the different series we would pause pretty often and consult a family tree image to help us keep track of who came from who and how everyone is related. Lots of info out there that can help.