r/BobsTavern • u/Arkentass • 12d ago
Announcement 36.6.3 Patch Notes
https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24303864/3663-patch-notes201
u/CechPlease 12d ago
So lazy to not include pictures next to the cards to show what minions they are
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u/Xelpmoc45 MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
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u/PartyPay MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
Just curious if you would know this - are they using a script of some kind to make that? Seems pretty quick to have all that updated without. Regardless, great resource, thanks!
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago edited 12d ago
Hey, person who does those here. Regarding comments below - it's not AI generated per se, the patch notes draft text is drafted by AI that uses the in-game vocabulary(as I, unfortunately, can't speak 8 languages, I know, cringe and shame) but the renders are made by-hand mostly, checked visually and in specific sheets using the game's own engine and vocabulary. There is a system for the most part but we do get drafts of patch notes from devs a little earlier to get the news in best quality for everybody(that's why K'thir and Hopebringer are wrong 😅). Today, for example, I spent about 7 hours just making those, and that's considering AI help in a lot of cases. Additonally, the tools were refined throughout last about 6 months to be as efficient as they are today and let me render everything quickly, which is also what AI can't do alone, photoshop won't help here) Hope this helps, enjoy!
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u/PartyPay MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
Thank you for the info, great work! I didn't realize it was in multiple languages, cool.
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u/throwawaydisposable 12d ago
thankyou tons, I completely missed tons of stuff because of how patch notes were written and this site helped a ton.
imma be real I dont understand how the sausage is being made but I just appreciate it tastes dang good.
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u/CandidateNo2580 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
Yo, I'm a fullstack dev at my day job, don't know what your background is or if you even need this kind of help, but I'd be glad to do some scripting/web development to help out with this process if you need. This is such a better format than what we had, it's really appreciated 🙏
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago
Hey, I don't really work with anyone atm but I would be interested to look at your work and have a talk, who knows) You can dm me at my discord .tantrum.
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u/CandidateNo2580 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
Oh I mean for free to help the cause if that wasn't clear. I think everything I've worked on is behind a company login screen I think lol I'll try to remember to DM you when I get home!
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u/ZionistsWillBanYou 12d ago
Reddit might be anti-AI but it has obvious use-cases. Sorry you have to apologize for it.
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago
Eh, most people are anti-AI atp, and I can't blame em. As an example had a problem with Github recently, tried creating a support ticket - got first an answer from AI listing 3 links to solutions, then needed to explicitly click to continue creating ticket, spent like 10 minutes ensuring details, to then get an answer in LESS than a minute from a supposed Github employee listing tHe ExAcT 3 LiNkS that the AI just proposed me 10 minutes earlier on trying to create that ticket without any solution to my problem. Only after a rant that those are not helpful and it needs manual intervention I got a real person that solved the problem.
So, totaly understandable, in most scenarios. Not blind hate, but reasonable hate of overuse.4
u/Xelpmoc45 MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
I was wondering the same.
I'm pretty sure they have it all templated. For example if they type : #cardNameOld# it will display the old version of the card.
I simplify but you've got the idea.
The rest is just typing manually the changes between the two cards. Their block are developed to be reusable so they just have to "copy paste" what they have done before and just change the text within nerf or buff section. It's really fast if you know what you are doing and you have done it before.
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u/GrandmaSassifrass 12d ago
Im no rocket surgeon but would be super easy nowadays with ai
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u/valledweller33 12d ago
I'm no rocket surgeon either, but rocket surgery would be super easy nowadays with ai
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u/EchoAzulai 12d ago
It's AI generated, but I expect they got it to read a few of the prior patch notes to write a script that is now pretty easy to update. Toughest challenge is likely updating when new cards are released.
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u/Moodie25 12d ago
For sure AI script into a template. Idk if I’d call that AI generated but definitely AI assisted. It’s a great program though! Very helpful.
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago
Answered above .-.
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u/EchoAzulai 12d ago
It's not an insult, but the UI does read similar to the style I see commonly in AI generated sites.
I use AI a lot, both in work and outside, and I'm a big proponent of it where it can add value.
You've built an incredible tool here, and that extra quality you put in clearly makes a difference because it is a brilliant tool.
As I said, it sounds like your biggest challenge is handling when new cards are added.
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago
Yeah, AI does have some influence on the components for sure, like some of the pills. Unfortunately, there isn't much we can do on the influence there until there is a good paid designer for the website, given it continues the development and growth. Atm we are going in minus on the costs to deliver for the community(server, upkeep, some agent expenses), but hope that eventually we could break even at least without adding ads to the website, which would be the ultimate goal 😅
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u/Different_Wolf_764 12d ago
adding ads to the website, which would be the ultimate goal 😅
Phrasing!~
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u/Lecker_Muesli MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
Thank you! This is so much easier than watching a 2 hour shadybunny video lol
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u/Lecker_Muesli MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
I play this game so often yet know basically no names of any cards. These patch notes are so useless for me
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u/JustHereForCatss MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
My partner and I famously call the tier 5 end of turn repeater "blue titties." Literally couldn't tell you her name if I needed to with a gun to my head and I have thousands of hours in this game.
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u/JustHereForCatss MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
It's something we all complain about every single update and the blizzard team just continues to not carr about it. It's wild because when you open the game you'll see the visual changes I don't know why they can't just do it here too
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u/ZionistsWillBanYou 12d ago
Nah. It's totally understandable that basically anybody who cares about patch notes has a better experience going to a third party digestion for the last couple years.
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
Note: Mysterious K'Thir and Sha of Fear's changes got jumbled in the patch notes. Getting it fixed. But should be K'Thir 8/8 -> 7/7 and golden discards 6; and Sha is 4/3 -> 3/3
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
Eudora is also supposed to be T5
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u/Jkirek_ MMR: Top 25 12d ago edited 12d ago
Are other heroes (like Sylvanas, Morchie, etc.) getting the same conditional ban as rafaam, becoming available in non-abberation lobbies?
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
Sylvanas, Morchie, Murozond, Curator, Lich Ling, Teron, and N'Zoth were already banned in Aberration lobbies
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u/Jkirek_ MMR: Top 25 12d ago
Oh okay, I was under the impression they had gotten the Naga treatment
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
No. They just didn't appear since Aberration were in every lobby. They'll start showing up again now that Aberrations are only in 50% of lobbies
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u/Rothulian 1d ago
Please take a look at Maldraxxus dagger again. I dont know if the offering rate went up or the pick rate. But suddenly its showing up quite a bit more.
Also stills seem to be a pretty frequent flyer for top teams.
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u/Gerik22 12d ago
I don't see a Sha of Fear change listed in the patch notes.
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u/FewYam5407 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
that's the point, it got jumbled
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u/Gerik22 12d ago
I'm aware, as that is literally the comment I replied to. Clearly both card changes were supposed to both be in the patch notes, but only one change, Disguised Kthir, is actually present in the patch notes. The change to Sha of Fear was not included in the patch notes when they were published. That is what my comment was pointing out.
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u/FewYam5407 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
yes, the fact that that's the comment you replied to is what confused me. there IS a sha of fear change listed, just under a wrong name - that's what that comment already stated. so i just failed to get what your comment adds. but that's okay, that's probably just on me
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u/Gerik22 12d ago
In this instance the two changes got swapped by mistake, so we would expect to see both Card A + new text of card B, and the reverse, Card B + new text of card A.
But that's not the case. The patch notes only show Disguised Kthir + new text of Sha of Fear. There is no Sha of Fear + new text of Disguised Kthir change listed in the published patch notes.
So not only did they mix up the two changes, but they left one of them out entirely. Hope this helps.
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u/FewYam5407 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
get what you mean now. i'd assume they didn't swap by mistake but rather deleted some lines accidentally at some point so the two got fused into one
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u/TantrumUA 12d ago
The draft said the other thing and I posted it 😭 Now ppl think K'thir will have another text, very sadge
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u/Munrot07 12d ago
Have I misunderstood something of have they just made K'Thir the tier 7 but with 1 less attack. Surely that's a mistake?
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u/FewYam5407 MMR: > 9000 12d ago
yea, the dev wrote in another comment that kthir just goes to 7/7 and the golden now discards 6, and what you see in the notes is just the changes to the 7 drop
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u/facubkc 12d ago
"Deities now require 4 friendly Aberration deaths per combat to summon, up from 3"
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u/Impossible-Cry-1781 12d ago
Actually a buff imo for CThun abberations outside of the early game because stats will be more consolidated
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u/DopioGelato 12d ago
I hate this approach, Deities should lean more into being a cross-tribal mechanic not away from it. This makes that hard enough to most often not be worth it.
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u/Uchihagod53 12d ago
Deity's going from 3 to 1 is great
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u/sneakyxxrocket 12d ago
It’s something that should’ve been done from the start not sure why they even thought that was a good idea
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u/Xelpmoc45 MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
Ship Master Eudora goes from trash => to trash
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u/Curious_Friendship90 12d ago
Surprised they didn't make her scale with number of golden minions played. Seemed like the obvious way to go. Anything that gives stats, that you can't somehow scale with spell power or similar, is simply not viable these days. And it's also not as fun.
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u/FarEffect4676 12d ago
Definitely better than before. It gives +6/+6 instead of +8/+8 but is now tier 5. Unconditional +36/+36 on your board can't be that bad for tier 5 and it doesn't dilute tier 6 pools any more.
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u/Jiboudounet MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
trash(er) lol, from +8/+8 to +6/+6
I see how they are scared with the beasts interactions. Still, it was already slow in slower metas... So essentially only worth considering if you have been rolling the nuts with beasts and find it early on. Still far worse than the normal beast build with the T3.
I just don't see it. But hopefully I'm wrong and this enables cool stuff, we'll see
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 12d ago
I think it's at least a better Goldrinn for the in-tavern attack beast build, though as with Goldrinn there are better things to be doing with that framework.
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u/the_dankest_sauce 12d ago
noo dunno bout this one. You can do some broken stuff with multiple eudora and titus. should be even easier now with golden touch minions and trinkets to clone with. also many of the dark gifts will go well with this minion
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u/OctoroiGuldan 12d ago
Hey guys, are you sure you're changing the right card here and not actually changing Sha of Doubt the Aberration Tier 7? Just wanna make sure this is just a silly typo.
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u/ShockedDarkmike MMR: > 9000 12d ago
It's a mistake https://www.reddit.com/r/BobsTavern/s/uMUOXslfBp
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u/iliketomill 12d ago
Did they just change the discard three aberration to have the same ability as the tier 7 aberration and not change the tier 7? I am missing something?
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u/Just1n_Kees MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
Why are the high tier Quills getting a buff? The problem was and still is the early game.
I know what I’m forcing now
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u/Xelpmoc45 MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
You don't really need to play quills early on. The tavern 5 quill that gives +1+1 is enough to switch if you have it eary imo
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u/Just1n_Kees MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
You have a point, but in the trinket meta it often helps to have somewhat of a direction early on.
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u/Xelpmoc45 MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
And you have a point as well, but there Always the possibility to get an eco trinket
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u/One_Ad_3499 MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
I lost many times with quills needing just one more turn to make monster demon boars
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u/felixnumberone MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
As fas as I processed it this is a big W - ty devs for screening the feedback and reacting!! Especially breaking their 2 weeks new tribe every lobby politics is something I did not even expect.
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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ MMR: > 9000 12d ago edited 12d ago
Mechs are gunna be crazy. They were already solid if you had the econ. These buffs seem really strong. Apm mech gunna go wild. If u get a beatboxer from the t3 golden pirate 🏴☠️ its even more gg.
Pirates still ass. Giga Murloc clown car scam is dead. Elementals prob still bad. Maybe shop buff eles.
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u/JohnnySeven88 12d ago
So what’s of Sha of Fear now? It seems like Mysterious K’thir now has essentially the same effect?
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u/SyrupMafia MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 12d ago
It was a typo. That change was supposed to be the change to Sha. Mysterious discards 6 spells as a gold now.
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u/currentscurrents 12d ago
Lichling Hoarder seems really good now. It's easy to trigger avenge (3) even in non-undead comps. You're basically going to be printing triples.
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u/jjj97jjj MMR: > 9000 12d ago
Actually very good changes
Devs really listened to all user request
This balances the tribes quite a bit
Sadly aviator is basically a temu diremack
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u/sin-iudicii 12d ago
Quills are about demolish lobbies lol, elementals are runner ups but still. Back to Quill days we go
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u/facubkc 12d ago
I still think this card is a bad idea
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u/Roscoeakl 12d ago
It's similar to stormsplitter now (which is a good card situationally) I think it's fine.
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u/krol1k MMR: > 9000 12d ago
Stormsplitter can copy only tavern spells. But with this one you can clone t7 cards, timewarped, etc. You can go 2b stats with double attack/health reward cards.
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u/Roscoeakl 12d ago
Don't get me wrong it's good, but it's not "First to get cloner going every game wins" like it was last week. I mean if it was a pirates lobby, my duos partner and I just hard rolled for cloner and once we had one leveled to 6 immediately, got a board of 6 golden hooktusks, and passed golden greedy connivers for a board full of 50k/50k minions on like turn 9 pretty consistently. This is only duplicating one card per turn if you have a minimum of two. That's useful and good, but not game breaking in my opinion. It could probably stand to be a t4/t5 but I don't think it's going to be the dominant force it was.
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u/Robo_Eagle 12d ago
Can someone explain why they changed gem barrage? Is it cuz it's just better early now or something?
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 12d ago edited 12d ago
APM mechs looking rather spicy.
EDIT: First post-patch game. Was tipping Bob 50g a turn by the end, limited purely by the lousy magnetic animation. Opponents were all forcing aberrations and were puny, no murlocs in for scam.
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u/sk4v3n MMR: > 9000 12d ago
I don't get it tbh.
They didn't change the early game for piggies but they buffed the late game? Those mech buffs feel unnecessary. Keyword murloc on t5 feels really late. The strength of Butchering wasn't the issue, getting the slaughterhouse online was the problem. Some trinket cost change makes no sense.
The elemental buffs are interesting, we will see how it goes. With all the abo nerfs, the game should be a bit slower, so maybe it will be easier to get to the endgame.
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u/Nick_Psycho Rank floor enthusiast 12d ago
Blood Gem Barrage
Old: [Tier 3] After the Tavern is Refreshed this game, give its minions +1/+1 worth of Blood Gems.
New: [Tier 4] After the Tavern is Refreshed this game, give its minions +2/+2 worth of Blood Gems.
This means it plays 2 Blood Gems on minions in the Tavern, right?
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u/Engine-True 12d ago
That spell is complicated but it will give an additional +1/+1, as if you had one spell power
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u/JayTheDuckling MMR: > 9000 12d ago
When does the patch come out? It’s not live in my game
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
The update is rolling out, which can take a while depending on the platform
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u/Monkguan 12d ago
Wtf is that Eudora minion? Are devs doing it on purpose? Would love to hear some devs comments on why they keep adding utter garbage cards into pool
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u/Professional_Park780 12d ago
FYI - Reinvorgating Light will allow you to take Warped Conflux, which will state it's (DONE!) and never let you actually pick a minor timewarp card.
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u/Terminator_Puppy 12d ago
Does anyone know why Rafaam is disabled in abberation lobbies? There's literally no way to proc a deity off of his hero power the way Victim's Specter would.
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u/WryGoat 12d ago
Double Murkeye is being reverted next patch, I can already call that one easy peasy. It simply cannot exist, it's never been possible for that to exist in any sane way. What it should do is trigger an adajcent battlecry twice when golden so you can still use it with a single battlecry. Triggering both is absurd.
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u/Sodium9000 12d ago
2 changes to Dark Gifts and then "We don't plan on making any additional major balance changes before Reign of the Black Empire launches" hahahahah
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u/Unhappy_Target2728 12d ago
[[Myterious k'thir]] is now basically the new 7 drop?! And they nerf Sludge Portrait to 5 Gold while killing the build since Mysterious K'Thir doesn't work anymore. Does anyone even still believe in them 🤣
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u/EydisDarkbot 12d ago
Mysterious K'Thir • Wiki • Library
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Tier 5 · 8/8 · Minion
At the end of your turn, discard your 3 left-most Tavern spells. Gain +8/+8 for each discarded.
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u/Spoksparkare MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 12d ago
Wait, so no Naga at all? Can’t they just ban Naga and Aberrations from being in the same lobby??
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u/LoewenMitchell BG Game Designer 12d ago
I've replied about this before, copy/pasting previous answer.
When Aberrations are added, Naga will temporarily rotate out to make room for it. They will be gone longer than 2 weeks, but they are not gone forever. They will rotate back in at some point in a future patch. Also since I saw speculation, this has nothing to do with discard interactions between Spellcraft and Aberrations. Type rotation is rather about creating space for each type to shine and to let us significantly shake up the meta as types come in and out.
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u/Miskykins 11d ago
Still think it's a really bad reason either way! Give me back my favorite tribe! Just keep adding tribes, it's literally one of this games biggest selling points
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u/ThatDeadMoonTitan 12d ago edited 12d ago
Deities to 1 star hallelujah.
Dude who discarded 3 cards moving away from discard feels weird since discard already felt kinda bad.
Murk Eye moving from AN adjacent to BOTH adjacent, wonder how long that’ll stick this time.
Quills still feel like they need better gem scaling.
Mechs getting a buff to a t5 and t6 is nice, that t6 felt terrible but maybe I suck.
Glad duos is back to playable with the cloner change.