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Of course she's a chonky tabby. Had one move into my house in 2017, named him Bobo. Hopped the patio gate, casually strolled past my Husky/GSD mix who was in the habit of trying to chase cats and rabbits until he met Bobo, walked into my kitchen and demanded food.
A poodle once tried to get a rise out of him. I got between them to give Bobo a chance to skedaddle, but he posted up between my feet and took a bulldog stance.
He came under my large tree one day, and hung out waiting for me to come & go.
I began greeting him and then petting him.
The month came when it grew cold, and I brought him inside.
I have asthma and animal dander does it.
I researched asthma botanicals, found one and it worked!
Now we co-exist and he still patrols the property my parents lived on for 35 years.
I named him Kii, which is Navajo for boy as he was about 5 months when I met him.
I love him, but love all cats and always have âĽď¸
Thanks for sharing your and Kii's story! I like seeing a happy ending. Most of my cats have been strays that show up one day and just stick around. I've managed to TNR a bunch so that I'm not overrun by kittens, but right now I'm actually fostering four babies, about 2 months old.
Because cats are wildly enjoyed and loved by many, I suspect they have a genetic propensity & drive to search for generous and loving humans.
Maybe not all, but the CDS is full of these cat searchers.
I would visit your kitty home if I could.
Cats are just delightful if you are someone who appreciates them.
So many glorious attributes.
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I dont got pictures of him but I heard my buddies cat fight off coyotes once. He was a big fuckin rural outdoor cat with extra toes. Never heard a cat. Never heard a cat make the noise he made that night. Could hear the coyotes yipping like they do when they are hunting something then heard the loudest "MREOW" Ive ever heard. Coyotes immediately stopped their noise.
I went looking for him but then he just struts out of the raptor grass and goes and sits on a lawn chair like nothing happened.
Most badass cat Ive ever met, but hes since passed on.
I have a cat who is very protective of my partner and I, so if my dog is roughhousing and play-biting me, she will jump into action, growling and swatting at him.
In case anyone was curious, the dogâs name was Scrappy. He was only 8 months old and was owned by the familyâs neighbors. He gave the kid a wound that required 10 stitches, though it certainly would have been much worse if the cat hadnât intervened.
In the wake of the attack, Scrappy was seized by the City of Bakersfield and after 10 days in quarantine to determine if he was rabid, it was determined that he was not, and he was declared to be âvicious and dangerousâ by the Animal Care Center of Bakersfield. They tried to find him a home that would be willing to try to rehabilitate him, but nobody stepped forward and he was euthanized less than two weeks after attacking the child.
I say all this to say that this child was hurt and this dog was killed because of the negligence of people. This dog was less than a year old but was allowed to roam free, with no training, no oversight, and likely little affection or educated discipline from his owners. So ffs train your animals and do not keep them off leash, for both their sake and especially the sake of other people who could be hurt or killed.
Edit: I was mistaken, seems like people asked to adopt the dog, but requests were denied because the dog was considered too far gone for rehabilitation.
The eight-month-old Labrador-Chow mix Scrappy was surrendered by its owners to the City of Bakersfield Animal Care Center on May 13. It then began a mandatory ten-day quarantine period to determine whether the animal had rabies.\15])#cite_note-Time-PutDown-15)
After the video of Tara went viral, websites and online petitions called for the dog not to be put down. Animal Care Center director Julie Johnson said they were also flooded with phone calls asking for the dog to be saved.\16])#citenote-16) However, based on observations in the kennel during the quarantine period, the dog remained classified as "vicious" and "dangerous"; all requests for adoption were denied.[\17])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara(cat)#cite_note-17)
Following the mandatory 10-day quarantine period, the Animal Care Center announced that Scrappy "was humanely euthanized over the weekend" of May 24, 2014.\10])#citenote-bc-chasedaway-10)[\15])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara(cat)#cite_note-Time-PutDown-15)
I'm dog racist apparently, because I absolutely went, " Of course it was chow. :( "
They can be very aggressive dogs, but they are bred to be guard dogs. Obviously he saw that kid as a threat for .. well, whatever reason. Still an absolute failure on the owner's part, full stop.
chows you donât see coming. same with akitaâs. great when trained but i fear for the person trying to break in with one of them in it. you wont see or hear them coming.
Correlation vs Causation thing though, this could easily be because they are disproportionately likely to actually cause injury on an attack. As someone who was bitten by one, their jaws are kind of insane. It doesn't even feel like a getting bit by a dog, it feels more like you got caught in some machinery. They do also seem to disproportionately get picked up by shitty owners though, I just don't think it's reasonable that we breed dogs that are that powerful. There has to come a point where the capacity for harm matters as much or more as the propensity.
They are literally bred for âgameââaka attacking and not stopping. That is why pit breeds are so dangerous. Theyâre also bred fighting dogs and do have ridiculous bite pressure and other such bred-in characteristics. But yeah, the reason theyâre so dangerous is that their psychology and breeding is set to attack and not stop attacking until whoever theyâre attacking is dead.
Iâve known sweet pitties (purebred and mix) and one vicious pittie/lab mix. Youâd think the lab in there would help soften the pit instincts. Youâd be wrong. And the one that was vicious was trained by a rough guy.
I blame the people. But unfortunately when things go wrong the breed itself is so strong, has such a strong bite, and the intentionally-bred instinct to never let go is so strong that the damage they can deal is often catastrophic.
I don't really care about the psychology part personally but it no doubt plays a role. Some breeds are more aggressive than others, this one is only 200 years old so it's not like they are extremely exotic or something intractable, most breeds are designed to kill something after all. There are millions of these dogs that are totally fine and trained. If these guys were 8 pounds the story would be a lot different in my opinion, It's the insane jaw strength mixed with the temperament that's so alarming, the consequences of a bad owner are just really high.
There's some powerful breeds, there's some aggressive breads, but there's not many that are both, and maybe none to that extreme on the physical end pertaining to bite force. It's probably a very personal stance though, I don't know if there's a real right answer on this that people can be moved to just through viewing the facts.
Most breeds are not 'designed to kill something.' Most working dog breeds were created to either assist in hunting (tracking, flushing, retrieving, pointing, chasing), to pull cargo, or in managing (herding, guarding) livestock. Terriers and dachsunds were bred to kill vermin. Farmers definitely did not want killer dogs around destroying their animals. Even guard dogs like mastiffs were meant to be more defensive than killers.
Blood sport breeds alone were bred to fight to the death for entertainment. They have lost all sense of self preservation that wild animals and other dogs have and will literally fight until they drop. Their brains are flooded with dopamine during fights so they ignore any pain. Pit bulls and related breeds are the creation of sick people and 100s of years of genetic modification by breeding. These breeding programs made their breed characteristics inherent so that they weren't starting from zero with each dog. Pit bulls are not meant to be a family pet. Attacking with no warning is literally in their genes. Some are perfectly fine for years, and then snap and kill someone or another pet.
I think itâs more to do with how much damage they can do- a large enough parrot can damn near snap your fucking finger off, especially a frightened or poorly-socialized bird, unfortunately a relatively common occurrence.
I'm pitbull owner racist. Most of the ones around where I live are the shittiest people you would meet and have their head so far up their own ass with the "pitbulls aren't bad, the owners are". And then proceed to be those owners. Had one without a leash jump out of a car at my house and attacked all 3 of my moms chihuahua's. 3 of the sweetest dogs you will ever meet. The owner was a shithead womanizer. Thankfully karma struck him and he lost his leg in a motorcycle accident.
I was once in a customer service-esque experience and had to offer at least a platitude sympathy for a guy discussing how torn up he was that his pit had gotten shot to death by a neighbor who âdidnât know him.â Internally I was dying inside.
I had one poke its head out of a car window in a parking lot and bite my arm. Luckily my hoodie let the teeth slide but it still left a scar. Didnât even know the dog was there till it had me. The dogs owner was inside wearing a moo moo and buying lottery tickets. Fat bitch.
I also worked at a shelter. One of the first things I learned was not to trust chow's. Pitbulls and other fighting dogs usually give very clear signals before they bite but chow were unpredictable. That said the only dog I was ever bit by was a fluffy white terrie-poo.
Side note, kinda: how come when a pit bites someone everyone is so quick to say itâs the owners fault? But nobody credits an owner when a greyhound runs fast or a bloodhound can smell good or when a golden is a lovable dirt.
I agree with your general message but the Wikipedia page states that there were adoption requests for Scrappy that were denied because the dog remained dangerous. And apparently the owners were the ones who voluntarily surrendered their dog to the city Animal Care Center soon after the attack and were the first to call 911 after the attack. The boy's family remain amicable with the dog owner's family (their neighbors) and no lawsuits were made, only requesting that the dog's owners pay the copay for the procedure the boy went through for recovery.Â
I type this all out because I hate it when people misrepresents the events to create or amplify their favored narrative. Yes, the owners were likely negligent in their training of their young dog, but they were otherwise cooperative with authorities and quick to take action after their dog attacked the boy.Â
I don't even know how you train a dog not to do this. How do you even know that it would unless you let it have access to a child and it tries to attack? The difference between this dog and most others isn't training. Most dogs simply wouldn't do this.
The dog was only 8 months old - thatâs line saying you canât know if your 5-year old will get hurt playing near traffic. Yeah, you might not knowâŚwhich is why you donât give them that opportunity until their brains are more developed and youâve been able to train/teach them more.
I think this is different as most 8 month old dogs we'd train them not to get overexcited or knock over small children by play tackling them or things like dont steal food from the table and don't chew the lamp cord.
It is not normal for an 8 month old dog to have a killing instinct towards a small child who is not even threatening it and is even moving away from it. That dog actively hunted the child down as a target, it wasn't a defensive action from a child hitting it
Of course you shouldn't give them the opportunity, but what I'm saying is that I don't think it makes sense to assume this happened because of poor training when most people don't ever have to train their dogs not to attack children. There's not some process we're all going through with our dogs to teach them not to do this. They just don't do it.
It was absolutely the owners faults, but for a 10 month old dogs first instinct to be to visciously attack a child indicates it should be put down regardless. That kind of aggression has always, and still needs to, be culled from dogs unfortunately.
Yeah. I feel sorry for the dog, because at the end of the day it's just an animal following its instincts. Problem is, a dog should not have instincts that involve seeing children as prey. You might have to train a young dog not to play rough with children. You should not have to train them not to hunt and kill them.
Exactly. This isn't just a thing they do when they're young until you teach them better. Sure, plenty of dogs might snap at a kid who plays with them wrong, so it's important to carefully monitor and control any interactions, but you generally don't have to worry about your dog deciding to hunt children for sport if it escapes your yard. It's a domesticated pet, not a cougar.
I was gonna say, at 8 months without training should not have resulted in this kind of attack. 2 years with no training and no socialisation, maybe. But at 8 months there's something very very wrong in this dogs make up.
When I was young and dumb, I rescued a very big abused dog. Whilst I was responsible enough to keep him away from people he didn't trust, when i look back at how dangerous he actually was, I should have put him to sleep. He had some really good years with me, was a love bug and very affectionate with trusted people, I realise now that one slip, one escape.. someone could have been killed. Not his fault at all. He was horribly abused because the previous owner wanted a "guard dog". But yeah, I was not so bright lol
RIP Mally, i really loved you đ
I adopted a dog from a coworker that bought him for their daughter. They were never home to pay attention to him, train him, or love him. They didn't even neuter him. I heard they were going to take him to the pound and just drop him off and be done with it so I said fuck that, and showed up to my parent's house with a random dog that no one knew anything about. We got him fixed and I started to train him and he immediately took to everything I wanted to show him. That was more than 10 years ago and Jack is still being treated like a king by my parents, and is the bestest boy. He absolutely adores my 2yo niece and they're more than best friends. That random dog is one of the best things to happen to me and my family, and all he needed was some direction and love
This comment misses the entire point of the context provided. To an impressive degree. Just wild to conclude that âsome dogs are just dangerousâ when that isnât the point of the story or even the comment you responded to.
There are plenty of dogs that are simply more aggressive, they literally are born with it in their DNA, that's been the entire point of artificial selection and the domestication of dogs and creating different breeds. The vast majority of problems can be fixed through training, but the ones whose first instinct is to attack children should be put down, sad as it is.
I don't think it's specific combinations of features.
I think it's simply beyond us. We do not understand brains well enough to know what causes some dogs to be aggressive. But some dogs are. There are no specific combinations of factors that will tell you with certainty what will. I've had some of the sweetest breeds be aggressive, and the "most aggressive" be the sweetest boys. I don't believe breed creates aggression.
It does, however, build jaw strength, musculature, and tooth length. All of which present immediate dangers to people if that dog turns out to not be good.
Is your argument that behaviors inherent to a dogâs breed can play a factor in their demeanor, but that environmental conditioning is essential to the emergence of aggressive behavior?Â
Bc for the most part iâd agree. I also think itâs worth pointing out that animals are capable of being traumatized, but unlike humans lack the cognitive capacity necessary to reliably overcome trauma and act against their instincts. Like humans, thereâs a lot of cognitive variety between individuals of the same species, so while one dog may be able to move past traumatic experiences when placed in a loving home, another would just see it as a trap and refuse to settle down. Even more dangerous are those animals who appear to have healed, but snap unexpectedly when a stressor unknown (and unknowable) to their handler occurs.
My point is that once a dog âturns out to be not goodâ (especially at an early age) their handler must take extreme care to ensure that entrenched aggressive behaviors do not reemerge. If they cannot guarantee that, it would be extremely unethical to then try and sell that dog to a person or family who 99% of the time has a worse understanding of the danger than the presumably trained handler.Â
Idk if that dog met those conditions or if the agency in charge of making the decision to put it to sleep was competent enough to make it, but that doesnât change the underlying logic.
Yes, my argument broadly aligns with your first paragraph.
What is at issue is the idea of âsome dogs are just badâ which was the initial, essentialist, unempirical sentiment I was responding to, one that we are now at least three degrees removed from, making it so that I am wasting my time responding to minute thoughts that miss the overall point.
No one knows if an eight month old dog was just born bad.
I canât believe the level of pedantry and lack of conversational tracking happening here. How fucking depressing.
I never had to train my dogs not to hunt children. It's just not a thing that even enters the minds of most dogs. It's not a good thing to keep dogs like that around and rely on training to correct it. It's much safer to just not breed dogs that are inclined to do that in the first place.
My neighborhood is full of dogs that are left out in front yards with no fencing or supervision. They mostly stay on their porches during the day, but they roam around at night. I've bribed some of them, so they don't bark at me, and they understand not to approach when I'm walking with my niece and nephew. I put myself between them and the kids, and they get it. I don't like having to worry about it, though.
And there are plenty of strays that don't have their own yards to "defend." I was walking to a convenience store with the kids and two big dogs were trying to run up to them. I was unsuccessfully trying to scare them off and a passing driver saw the struggle and honked multiple times, which worked. I wish the city would do something about it. Maybe I'll buy a collapsible baton.
Fuck that dog. Everybody in the comments more concerned for the dog are the problem. If that was my kid I wouldnât have settled until I got the same outcome. If it did it once it would do it again
Honestly, this is the part with dogs I think most people forget. Theyâre bred with traits and minds that canât really be taught out. Theyâre not people. They were bred with a purpose, like a tool. You canât take a dog thatâs bred for aggression and teach it to be docile. My first dog was 6x my size and I rode him like a horse when I was a toddler, literally. And as a 7-8 year old responsible for a dog I can admit 20 years down the line I was a pretty shitty owner to Pounder. But he loved me unconditionally from day 1.
My second dog was right by my side and never showed any amount of aggression towards anyone until my niece was born, and thatâs when we learned Dioge really did not like babies and toddlers. Theyâre too reactive and grabby for him. But even Dioge didnât do anything more than growl when my niece touched him, and he avoided her when she was active and crawling around. If he had drawn my nieces blood, that wouldâve been it for him.
Dog ownership should be restricted as much as possible. It should be as challenging to get a dog license as it is to get a gun license (in civilised countries I mean not murica).... Atleast for the big dogs.
My grandfather owned a dairy farm when I was a kid. He kept a few feral cats around to handle the mice and other assorted unwanted pests. He had one particularly nasty tom cat that that had a visceral disdain for dogs. Size didn't matter. He was going to take the fight to them.
That cat lived many years on the farm, never lost a fight, and grandpa never had to worry about any unwanted animals, up to and including large dogs, trespassing on his property. That cat never once attacked us humans, btw
Had a farm cat as a kid, tough as nails and didnât put up with any crap. Saw him riding a Doberman once like a horse, front paws gripped around its neck while he was just biting that dog everywhere. Dad said dog should have known better than to come around here. đ
I've seen some very feisty tabby cats like that in my life.
My brother lived on the edge of a corn field and I remember being outside with my brother and his cat and a random raccoon came out of the cornfield and was grazing along the property line.
When my brother's cat saw that raccoon, it made a beeline directly for that raccoon and attacked it.
My brother ended up keeping his cat inside because he said every time it would go outside it would come back with scratches or puncture wounds that he would have to take to the vet and it cost him a lot of money.
My brother passed away unexpectedly in 2012 when his cat was 8 years old. I adopted his cat which lived with me another 10 years.
Cats are apex predators and will mess you up when full tilt. I had an orange for 19 years. My wife and I moved to a new city and neighbor came over with their Rottweiler since we love dogs and had two ourselves. Good doggy.
Out of nowhere my orange comes barreling out of the house and just runs the poor rotty right off the property.
This is basically my oldest cat, except the dog doesn't even have to be aggressive. Or in the same zip code, honestly. His hatred of dogs borders on psychopathic, and he also doesn't believe that size differences exist.
Cats are dope, but they're intelligent and complex, and have wide variations in personality, so sometimes they're assholes. People meet these cats and declare that they hate cats, but in reality, cats are fucking awesome once you meet a cool one.
Whenever my toddler starts crying or throwing a tantrum for whatever reason, let's say mom is cooking and I'm on a business call, we usually wait until she calms down a little so we can "talk" to her, in the meantime, one of our cats, Oreo, goes absolutely fucking crazy, demanding an explanation for why the little girl he loves so much is crying. Oh, dear Lord, he comes up to me and gives me this challenging, almost confrontational stare while meowing like a madman, as if he's asking me what the hell I'm doing about it.
At first, I thought I was just imagining things, but it's happened so many times now, whenever he sees my daughter crying uncontrollably and one of us has picked her up but won't clam her, as he is used ti see her laughing whenever we are carrying her, he just stands there, staring at us like he's challenging us to explain ourselves, meowing nonstop.
And he stays there until she stops crying, we comfort her, and she starts making her usual happy, content little sounds again. Only then does Oreo finally walk away, stop meowing, and quit giving us those judgmental looks.
I swear, this cat acts like he's personally holding us accountable for every tear that little girl sheds.
My sister and her husband have 3 of the most chill cats I've ever met. Meanwhile I have one and he's a giant asshole. God forbid I pet him for 5 seconds longer than he wants to be petted lol.
Yup, they need to get to know you and you gain their trust. Many people just write them off as they are so different from dogs and they like the unconditionial hero worship dogs give their humans. Not putting down dogs, love them, had one growing up but lived in a small condo in a big city so a cat made more sense for me. He was 2 and had a bad start to life, but he became such a snuggle bug and shadow after he trusted me, he was the best.
My brother had a car exactly like this. He would take his dogs for a walk and his cat would walk close behind and walk through yards to sniff around(very much like a dog would). Sometimes other neighborhood dogs would get out and come after my brother's dogs on the leash and the cat would do exactly like this cat. The thing was tough but it was also super smart.
Many years ago, my former next door neighbor friend mentioned she was selling her house and asked if I was interested. The price was right and so I said yes. I rented the basement to my sister and her children ranging in age 2 to 8. The neighbor also asked if I would want to keep her American Stafford Terrier (AmStaff) because her boyfriend abused the dog, even was burning the poor dog with cigarettes. Being an animal lover and rescuer of dogs, cats and other smaller animals, my heart broke for this dog, so of course I said yes, I'd keep her. She could not have been a sweeter dog. She never showed anything but gentle kindness towards the kids, as well as all the dogs and cats. She even escaped my fenced yard a couple times (the kids left the gate open) and when I went looking for her, both times she encountered people walking their dog, and both times my girl just wagged her tail and sniffed noses with the dogs. I don't know how dogs think, but perhaps she was relieved when she realized the abusive a-hole boyfriend was out of her life. (Shame on my friend/former homeowner for choosing her boyfriend over the dog, although they did eventually break up.).
Youâre so full of shit lol. Itâs a Labrador-Chow mix, but even just looking at it without doing any further research, itâs obviously not a pitbull. Looks nothing like one.
I know right? I canât believe this dog, cat, and baby would choose to participate in such inflammatory content. I heard the cat did it all for the clout.
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