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u/Samulai-B Aug 30 '26
It's amazing how they managed to arrange this kind of thing that involved so many people, all without internet or cell phones
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u/Ihatethesestaff Aug 30 '26
Cellphones/etc make it more difficult to organize things, not less when you factor in how it has impacted our society and behavior.
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u/Rociel Aug 30 '26
Indeed. When I was a kid, when we decided to something, we show up. There was no "I will think about it" or "I guess I will just let others know that I need to cancel" or, in this particular case, no "I will just look up the pictures and videos online".
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u/gimnasium_mankind Aug 31 '26
Less « i’ll let you know ». You let me know right now and commit. Just existing in society took more balls/courage than today in this area.
If you didn’t get their message that they are not coming, it is your fault, not theirs, they sent the message. Previous commitments are not really a thing anymore, not like they used to.
On the other hand, live location makes getting together sonmuch easier.
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u/glorio_mainframe Aug 30 '26
What happened after?
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u/Nisseliten Aug 30 '26
They escaped the soviet union and poverty.
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u/0xPianist Sep 01 '26
They still believe it happened because of a human chain 🙊
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u/Stiklinis Sep 01 '26
It happened because of people who participated in that human chain. Those were the times when people acted even in oppressive regimes, not just typed on their phones "But there is nothing I can do!"
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u/Potato-Alien Aug 30 '26
We got independence. And the USSR is dead and buried.
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u/Ahvkentaur Aug 30 '26
Not quite. As president of Estonia Lennart Meri told the pope in 1994 (paraphrasing): Communism is dead, but we haven’t see the body.
„Kommunism, see totalitaarse kurjuse õpetus, on surnud, kuid keegi ei ole näinud kommunismi laipa.“
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u/Keepurkewl Aug 30 '26
Wow that is an amazing quote. Accurately called the future and badass.
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u/ops10 Aug 31 '26
And to use the chance to spread a legendary quote of his: "The situation is shit, but it's the fertiliser of our future."
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u/Money-Worldliness919 Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26
Not all of it unfortunately... The Federation of Russia is trying to ressosotate a dead only man.
Edit: Russian bots are mad I said the quiet part outloud.
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u/BoarHermit Aug 30 '26
But what does communism have to do with this? If you think Russia is still communist, I'd delete all the comments and go read Wikipedia.
Although maybe ignorance is bliss these days. And of course, you should never use aAI chat bota You should only use the stereotypes you highlighted from Hollywood movies, right?
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u/TheTerraKotKun Aug 30 '26
I'm from Russia and I'm mad at this. But I can't do anything productive to stop it...
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u/KvasDimas Aug 30 '26
at least shut up, nobody want to hear that little "oohh I can't do anything oooohhhhh" over and over for years
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u/ImportantOption6830 Aug 30 '26
So you'd rather they just quietly support putler?
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u/KvasDimas Aug 31 '26
nah, doesn't matter, russians only understand power and power only comes from military and blowing shit up. they can support putin quietly, loudly, don't support him or be the putin himself, they still doesn't believe that non russians deserve to live unless their county could smack the shit out of them.
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u/ThisIsBB56 Aug 31 '26
It's not dead and buried sadly and you know it. Just Baltics live next to it ...
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u/zhaDeth Aug 30 '26
They sang songs and eventually it lead to their independence. It's called the singing revolution or at least that event was part of it.
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u/Stiklinis Sep 01 '26
While they were not safe (that was only one of many mass events that lead to independence), they risked and ended up with a free country and control of their own lives. Definitely very ok.
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u/Vladekk Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26
Some of these people were betrayed. In Latvia, they were promised (unofficially) citizenship, but got "alien" passport instead. It means limited civil rights. To get full passport, you have to pass exams, same as a foreigner who wants to get the citizenship.
That caused increased Russian influence in the region, and not a small amount if resentment.
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u/Kermez Aug 30 '26
They escaped USSR hug altogether but a lot escaped country in general
Lithuania from 3.7 M to 2.8M Latvia 2.66M to 1.84
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u/TheGuyWhoYouHate Aug 30 '26
This mass emigration comes at a result of 2 things:
Ordinary people could not leave the USSR during the occupation that left the Baltic countries in such a sorry state. So when we got our independence back, those who could, did take the opportunity to go find a better life in a country that hadn't lost 50 years of development.
A significant portion of those emigrating were Russians, brought over during Russifcation policies of the Soviet Union. This is reflected in censuses that show that over time, the Russian minority in all 3 countries has decreased.
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u/blaivas007 Aug 30 '26
I keep seeing this argument and it's incredibly weak.
Even if you wanted, you couldn't leave USSR to chase a better life for yourself. Having the freedom to leave is a good thing.
Lithuania has made so much progress since then that we've seen more Lithuanians return than leave over the past 5 years or so.
A good chunk of the lost population is the sum of Russians, Belarusians and Poles that left. The "real" number is significantly smaller.
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u/Atra23 Aug 31 '26
Because borders have opened, in ussr we couldnt leave. That is called freedom of choice buddy.
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u/Suns_Funs Aug 30 '26
Absolute majority of those people in Latvia were colonists from USSR who arrived during Russification process or the Soviet military. So the drop in Russian population is in fact a bonus.
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u/Kermez Aug 30 '26
You have official statistics, read and then comment
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u/Suns_Funs Aug 30 '26
You don't even know the difference between Latvia and Lithuania.
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u/Tsteak123 Aug 30 '26
A friend of mine recently kayaked from Vilnius to Riga and then up to Talinn as a celebration of this. It took him around 60 days.
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u/zhaDeth Aug 30 '26
I heard they were singing too. The estonians call themselves the singing people or singing nation because they sang their way out of the soviet union. They call it the singing revolution.
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u/VeryOldGoat Aug 31 '26
The singing revolution was a thing in all three Baltic states, not just Estonia.
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u/Euphoric_Category387 Aug 31 '26
I am from Latvia, yet I'm from a family of Russian/Estonian origins, and we speak Russian at home. I try my best to learn the language and communicate with the carriers of Latvian culture as much as possible and I (at least I hope I am) respectful of the people and history of this nation. Russians are still a quite big minority group in Latvia, and while some, like me, try to assimilate, others refuse to do that. Some whine about Latvians being bad for "not letting them speak their native language" while not even making the tiniest, slightest effort to learn Latvian. I'm often ashamed that these people represent my ethnic group. I'm often ashamed of what my ancestors did to Latvia and the Baltic region as a whole. Deportations, repressions, and the "russification" of Latvia were all horrible events and it's still a huge cultural trauma for Latvian people. It's no wonder that Latvia wants to distance itself from everything Russian and return back to its culture and traditions, and that's not because "they are oppressing our culture, they are nationalists" but because it's their country, goddammit, which was oppressed by our ancestors. Latvians, and, I think, all the Baltic nations are super cool and tough for enduring such horrors and still managing to survive and preserve the culture and the language. I hope to learn more about it and to speak to native speakers more soon, and to not stay in this "Russian bubble" much longer.
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u/BurningBassesInStyle Aug 31 '26
Yeah, we actually have a similar problem here in Estonia. There are plenty of Russians that move to Estonia, live here for years, and don't speak even a word of Estonian, and expect others to speak Russian when talking to them.
I personally haven't been in such a situation (luckily) but my mom has had quite a few occasions at her job as a pharmacist.
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u/MinduxZ Aug 31 '26
Similar situation in Lithuania too. Some people even know Lithuanian, yet still speak Russian.
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u/AdministrativeWar541 Aug 31 '26
Im pretty sure new generation doesnt speak russian (native Latvians). Im 30 y.o., and I barely understand when people try to speak to me in russian language.
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u/0xPianist Sep 01 '26
imagine if you travelled a little and found out there is a swedish finnish minority in Aland and they speak swedish!!
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u/Far-Investigator1265 Sep 02 '26
And are all taught finnish in school.
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u/0xPianist Sep 02 '26
Finnish is taught in some schools as elective.
So false.
Anyway, drop by Aland and find out how much Finnish is spoken 👉
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u/Aggressive_Win_3854 Sep 03 '26
Why all of them can't just move on with their lives? There are few generations who never seen any repression like industrialization and still they talk about it 24/7
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u/Eostrix Aug 31 '26
This is true and important remark. Soviet occupation wasn't a joke and Stalin was responsible even more deaths than Hitler (and this is a lot) and although after Stalin it was a little bit less straightforward murders, deportations and other crimes against humanity, it still was illegal occupation against the free will of free people with their own language, culture, land that was somewhat stolen or forbidden.
And of course all this brain wash and manipulations, surpressing of free will. These people were prisoners on their own land.
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u/finlandery Aug 30 '26
And some people dare to say, how USSR was soooo good. It was soooo good, that people were ready to risk their life to escape it and were ready to make massive protest (some that were violently destroyed) against it.... but yea, it was such a utopia /s
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u/vzakharov Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26
Not saying USSR was a utopia, but 1989 was basically the end stretch of it, which was its worst, poorest, and most chaotic stage (something 1990s still managed to top, but that’s another story); and for the record no one was suppressing any protest by then, PERESTROIKA b*tches, free speech for everyone, yaaay!
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u/boliastheelf Aug 30 '26
On January 13th, 1991, the Russians killed 14 Lithuanian civilians protesting at the Vilnius TV tower, I would not call that free speech for everyone.
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u/Suns_Funs Aug 30 '26
It should be added that the people killed were literally driven over by tanks and over 700 more were injured. And that is onmly one example for Soviet atrocities still being committed.
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u/bro90x Aug 30 '26
Soviets* killed. The Union government was not exclusively Russian, blaming Russians for that atrocity is like blaming the Native Americans for the Trail of Tears.
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u/Wayoutofthewayof Aug 31 '26
It is not as simple as that. They sent in Pskov Airborne division which was primarily made up of Russians because they couldn't trust local units to carry out repressions.
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u/The-Intermediator141 Sep 01 '26
The Soviet Union was essentially a rebranded Russian Empire, you can see this in the states which were invaded or annexed so Russia could force them into the “Union”.
Why do you think Russia was the original Soviet state, and why do you think Russia is viewed as the successor state? Same way Russia is the successor to the Russian Empire.
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u/Roaddog113 Sep 01 '26
You can’t be this naive. The Soviet Union was the Russian empire, under a different ideology. Wake up and smell putlers ars.
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u/hiverty Aug 30 '26
How no one was suppressed? russia didnt want anyone to let go. Look on chechnya
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u/Sharp-Falcon-9318 Aug 31 '26
Chechnya was a terrorist Islamic state tho
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u/VeryOldGoat Aug 31 '26
That was a viewpoint the russian state propaganda was pushing. How did they become terrorists? By Putin's false flag, where he ordered bombing a few apartment blocks of his own people. The plan was to discredit them so they don't get as much international support as the Baltics. By the looks of it, it worked.
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u/Sharp-Falcon-9318 Aug 31 '26
What about shamil basayev? Nord ost? Captured and executed people?
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u/VeryOldGoat Aug 31 '26
Do you mean Basayev's war crimes which he committed before first war, when he was still being supported and directed by GRU? He's one of the guys which got blamed for the apartment bombings. He denied responsibility and even claimed anyone who did that "is not human", which is something a terrorist would not do.
Nord ost and other bombings could be considered terrorism. When did they happen? During the second war. Russians committing massacres of civilians, may have pushed them towards this.
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u/Sharp-Falcon-9318 Aug 31 '26
What about shamil basayev? Nord ost? Captured and executed people?
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u/ZiCUnlivdbirch Aug 31 '26
I don't really get what point you're trying to make but as a fun little fact, the Russian republic inside of the USSR was actually a big reason how we got our independence so easily. As the republics started to leave, Yeltsin effectively immediately began treating us like separate nations (making diplomatic visits and such), which made the USSR government understand that even their home region wasn't going to support them.
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u/Specific_Box4483 Aug 30 '26
Chechnya was a few years later.
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u/hiverty Aug 31 '26
Yes few years later. That is just example. Every nation what wanted to grt freedom got supressed or attacked. Some were lucky, some were unlucky
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u/janiskr Aug 31 '26
Tell that to those who died in Riga in January of 1991. Even more people died in Lithuania.
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u/trebleclef8 Aug 30 '26
People forget that the ussr was a nation that both rose and fell lmao. (Much like another country right now)
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u/JustaProton Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26
People also forget that the standards of living in the countries inside the USSR changed drastically during its peak around 1950-1970. The "commie blocks" that are so criticised in the West were a massive project that manage to provide housing at a large scale, with access to electricity, treated water, sewage, central heating, playgrounds and services nearby.
Also, it is very impressive that a country that was almost feudal and had such a small industry to the point of losing a war to Japan managed to become a global power that challenged the technological superiority of Western Europe and the USA. A country in poverty can't provide good housing for virtually everyone and have such a massive technological advancement all while recovering from WWII without the aid of another nation and having to deal with every attempt to sabotage its growth.
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u/Suns_Funs Aug 30 '26
Hardly a benefit for the countries discussed in this topic. For Baltic states the standart of living dropped comperatively to what it could have been. The Baltic states used to comparable to Finland. Nowadays Finland is lightyears ahead, while Baltics are playing catch up.
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u/Glittering_Chemist86 Sep 02 '26
Dude above is even somehow proud that Russia redirected Ressources from the oppressed states and claims as if every country got huge benefits, which is simply not true.
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u/DecisiveVictory Aug 31 '26
For the Baltics, the russian occupation brought only mass murder, oppression and misery.
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u/0xPianist Sep 01 '26
they start feeling the rampant free market vibe in post ussr now. when you can't afford to own an apartment...
at least people got to keep all those soviet apartments ;-)
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u/clearlyPisces Aug 31 '26
Uh, yeah, so the soviets bombed the houses in cities in 1944 that people were living in, which created a situation where there wasn't enough housing, deported tens of thousands of us to Siberia, then imported Russians here who were handed keys to both these fancy new apartments with running water and central heating, and to whayever apartments and houses were "nationalized" and taken away from the owners (and then we witnessed how these immigrants didn't know how to use water closets...).
Our people had to wait for years, even decades to get an apartment at all. The only way to not share a 3 bedroom apartment with 3 families (remember, reduced housing or no accesa to housing) was to try to build your house IF you could get a plot and somehow source materials. And do it while working full time.
So don't make it sound like the block houses were a life upgrade we couldn't have had without the soviets.
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u/returnofblank Aug 30 '26
People seem to have this idea that the USSR was a "bastion of evil." (or axis of evil, outposts of tyranny, etc)
That's just simply impossible to be true. Much like the USA, the USSR was a country birthed from the people and their need to revolt against tyranny. Specifically, the tyranny of the monarch.
There are simply no bastions of evil in the world, and it's no coincidence that an enemy of the USA is labelled a "bastion of evil," like every other enemy of the USA. It's a meaningless phrase that has no use but to support American Exceptionalism.
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u/stonecuttercolorado Sep 03 '26
They revolted against tyranny and replaced it with a more tyrannical government.
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u/SnakeHelah Aug 31 '26
The USSR was literally an authoritarian, genocidal empire. It doesn’t matter what the USA is or was or will be, because it won’t somehow change this fact.
By your definition and point, Nazi Germany was also not a bastion of evil.
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u/returnofblank Aug 31 '26
And whom did they genocide?
If you want to compare the USSR to Nazi Germany, I think you'll be glad to hear you have the full support of neo-nazis.
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u/SnakeHelah Aug 31 '26
And you have the full support of tankies?
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u/returnofblank Aug 31 '26
At least they're not Nazis. I think I'm fine with that.
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u/SnakeHelah Aug 31 '26
Tankies are literally no better than nazis. It’s like saying “I’m fine with my friend being a serial killer, at least he’s not a cannibal”
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u/Miserable_Ad7246 Aug 31 '26
There are three group of people who do say that ussr was good:
1) old people, who spend their youth in ussr, and got into pension after its collapse. This group can legitimately make such claim. They went from bad to worse. Nostalgia of youth and such. Lots of them did not get a chance to prepare for pension and are now poor as f. In Baltics its less of an issue, but russia, Belarus, stans - thats a big problem.
2) Low social status people. who would have it bad in any society in any period of time. Basically losers of all kind.
3) People who have good life (wealthy even), never experienced ussr, but for some reason can not find happiness. They tend to seek that happiness in all kinds of anti-systemic ways (because systemic way did not worked for them), ussr claims is just one of the ways. If they experience ussr, they would want to go back ASAP.
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u/OneToeBro Aug 30 '26
And tankies today will cry how people lived better then in ussr than now
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u/Hammer-Rammer Aug 31 '26
found the bootlicking imperialist.
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u/Nogkx Aug 31 '26
How was the USSR formed again? Or is it only imperialist if the countries you don't like do it?
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u/founderofshoneys Aug 30 '26
No, what happens if you take a nuanced view of the Soviet Union instead of "Soviet Union bad" people call you tankie or a Russian bot because they lack the ability to think critically. The Soviet Union had some incredible successes lifting people out of poverty under a feudalist monarchy and becoming an industrial world super power in just a few decades. They made incredible technological advances and beat the US and the rest of the world in almost every space race milestone. None of that negates their failures and crimes. This should not be a difficult thing to understand, but it breaks people's programming and they lash out.
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u/Potato-Alien Aug 30 '26
This post is about the Baltic states. Pray tell, how exacty was the USSR lifting us from poverty under a monarchy by annexing us in 1940 and deporting children like my father in 1949? What monarchy was it?
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u/founderofshoneys Aug 30 '26
- I'm addressing this comment about the USSR broadly, not the OP post.
- You missed the line "None of that negates their failures and crimes."
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u/SnakeHelah Aug 31 '26
Nazi Germany also had a ton of breakthroughs and advances. It doesn’t make them any better because of them… I can’t see why those arguments should somehow paint genocidal empires in a better light
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u/founderofshoneys Aug 31 '26
Let's use the US, it's a better comparison. The United States killed millions of indigenous peoples as settlers moved across the country. They eliminated 96% of the indigenous people. The nazis literally took inspiration from this for the holocaust. We can also go into chattel slavery and their tendency to slaughter people en masse in military actions all over the world. Just this year they blew up a school with 120 little girls inside for no reason and are continuing to fund a genocide in Gaza. If you wanted to you could paint the US as the most evil empire ever to exist on the face of the earth and never tell a lie. But you don't do this. Why is that?
Now when someone mentions the United States, is your reaction to bring up all that stuff no matter the topic? If someone says something positive about the US do you automatically respond with how they're trying to paint a genocidal empire in a better light? I'll bet you don't. Why do you think that is?
And not to pick on the US, it's just similar in size and power. Spain, UK, Belgium, France and many other European countries committed atrocities all over the world, but those aren't what you immediately think of when those countries are mentioned. Because it's only certain countries you think about this way and certain other countries you're willing to waive off all their crimes. Again, why do you think that is?
In any case my original comment was about how "tankies today will cry how people lived better then in the USSR than now" This person is acting exactly the way the people he's complaining about act, they just have the exact opposite opinion. The tankie will defend the USSR's atrocities no matter what and this person will defend and excuse the West no matter what while attacking the USSR and China as a hellscape of human rights abuses and nothing else of value.
They are also just objectively wrong, most people in the USSR lived decent lives with similar problems to those in other countries. There were good times and bad ones, but many did live better in the USSR than they do in Russia or the former Eastern Bloc countries or "the 'Stans". If you weren't closed off to learning about things you're predisposed to not like, you'd know a lot of the older folks miss the days when they had guaranteed jobs, free healthcare, free education, and weren't living through civil wars, instability, and actual totalitarian dictatorships. Does that excuse forced removal of ethnic minorities and all that shit? No, of course not. Shit is complicated. You know why it's important to study history, but it doesn't do anyone any good if we only learn the parts we like and reject the parts we don't. You know that. Someone intentionally taught you to do that for their own benefit.
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u/Medium_Somewhere_981 Aug 31 '26
As a young man from the Baltics, I envy your dedication to convince people to think for themselves, even though they reject you. There’s a quote I like to use on Reddit “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.” And this applies here.
If the USSR didn’t have any benefits to it, it wouldn’t have grown so large. Of course, the actions against minorities and driving over people with literal tanks isn’t excusable, but general populus quality of life wasn’t bad.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say it was good, but, it was a guaranteed standard rather than a lottery and a competitive game like it is now in today’s job market.
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u/Gay_mail Aug 31 '26
While the Soviet reforms were beneficial to most of the States (especially the Central Asian except for some man-made natural disasters) the Baltic states were clearly drawn back by the occupation. It completely ripped apart the previous trade connections with Western States and, for example, in Lithuania, virtually ruined any returns from agriculture. Nobody says that it was impossible to live money-wise (culturally it was proper oppression that most people that just kind of went on with life dont even realise), it was alright, but I think currently the people on minimum wage live better than the average person in LTSR. Also let me remind you that you were literally given a job after finishing a trade school or university, i.e. having almost no choice, while in the modern job market people tend to not look at the less valuable offers.
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u/founderofshoneys Aug 31 '26
To be fair, people in the Baltics probably/in general enjoy a higher standard of living in the post soviet era. I think this is true. I also understand why anti-Russian sentiment is especially high there in recent times.
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u/Key_Wrangler_8321 Aug 30 '26
Slovakia too. But today we already know that russia managed to destroy this nation. Millions of Slovaks celebrate russia, hate Ukraine, and would like to belong to russia. Stockholm syndrome at its finest. russian shit has remained in our heads.
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u/Six_of_1 Aug 30 '26
Poverty had little to do with it, you can tell an American wrote this because they assume it's all about poverty (the use of miles also gives that away).
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u/CreativeAdeptness477 Aug 30 '26
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand they didn't block the road in the process 👍
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u/n3rdfighte7 Aug 30 '26
Ooof , you did not just say that on reddit , the downvotes are coming.
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u/CreativeAdeptness477 Aug 30 '26
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u/brok0 Aug 30 '26
In 1990 in Ukraine there was similar human chain spanning around 700km. It was likely inspired by this one in Baltics, and its really impressive
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u/Visible_Case_1435 Aug 30 '26
i was there with my family (i was 4 years old), from Estonia, Tallinn.
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u/BalticBrew Aug 31 '26
Russian bots and ignorant imperialist tankies on this thread aside, still one of the most amazing moments in history. And I thank fate every day I was able to grow up in an independent Lithuania and can now have a prosperous life full of opportunities.
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u/Kittekass Aug 31 '26
I was there, I was 7 years old and we were standing with my grandparents in Estonia/Viljandi. :D
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u/JangoDarkSaber Aug 30 '26
Crazy to think that people would unironically want full on communism back.
Capitalism is also a deeply flawed economic theory but it’s the best we got for the time being.
Some people simply can’t grasp that a command style economy simply doesn’t work at a state level
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u/Agoraphobia1917 Aug 31 '26
What happens when the time being runs out
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u/JangoDarkSaber Aug 31 '26
Nothing. Because the economy doesn’t exist in a vacuum and there is no clock, nor is it a zero sum game.
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u/Agoraphobia1917 Sep 02 '26
Economics is always historical, there is always a trajectory.
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u/JangoDarkSaber Sep 02 '26
I don’t waste my time speaking or arguing in high level analogies or statements.
Mankind has traded in a free market since the invention of commerce for the simple fact that it works. A free market effectively communicates the scarcity/ overproduction of goods in services in a way that a command economy cannot.
So yeah. We have a pretty good historical trajectory for how things play out. You don’t need a laissez-faire but you need market prices to communicate scarcity or else you get bread lines and mass starvation.
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u/Falcrus Sep 03 '26
Not a zero sum game. Yeah, also "human nature". How to tell everyone you believe in god will and that things work by supernatural forces
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u/SamanthaDamara Aug 31 '26
My mom and dad were a part of this!! Before they even knew each other! The stories of the community they've shared is so cool!
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u/Own_Swing_6159 Aug 31 '26
That was great. Estonians were even ready to eat potato peels in the name of freedom. Turned out without russains stealing from you, you don’t have to.😁
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u/HyoukaYukikaze Aug 31 '26
Communism is great, amrite?!?!!
Well, it's grat at uniting people who live under it.
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u/Solid_Ideal5773 Aug 31 '26
“And poverty” and then the country (Lithuania) went into poverty which lasted decades. But now Lithuania is doing quite well so good for them
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u/Cantora Sep 01 '26
Only when people truly care - enough to risk everything, will change happen.
People have to ask themselves: what am I willing to give up to affect change?
When enough people, individually, answer "whatever it takes", then together they will rise change will happen.
This isn't a fantasy: it's a standard model.
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u/Dark_Nya Sep 02 '26
Прямиком в безработицу, нищету и бесправность) Как и все постсоветское пространство.
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u/Difficult_Olive_2745 Sep 02 '26
Ты с Рашкой перепутал. И да, куда современным балтийским странам до зажиточной советской жизни с очередями за туалетной бумагой и комуналками)
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u/ImABigDreamer Sep 04 '26
but western teenagers would still beleive that the ussr were the best place in the world
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they are swimming in wealth now
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u/TheAnimalFarm1891 Aug 30 '26 edited Aug 30 '26
Estonia GDP per capita: 38 000 usd
Lithuania GDP per capita : 33 000 usd
Latvia GDP per capita: 26 000 usd
Russia GDP per capita: 18 000 usd
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u/Logical_Situation_61 Aug 31 '26 edited Aug 31 '26
Dude, Estonia’s GDP per capita was around $34k last year. If you’re talking about the projected GDP per capita for this year, then it’s closer to $38k. But Lithuania is also projected to be around $37k, while Latvia will remain around $29k. So the number you’re using is wrong and misleading. You’re comparing Estonia’s projected GDP per capita for this year with Lithuania’s and Latvia’s figures from last year. You should either use last year’s actual GDP figures for all three countries or this year’s projections for all three.
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u/funpen Aug 31 '26
Communism/socialism is just as evil as Fascism.
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u/Distinct_Trash7491 Aug 31 '26
Everyone in the baltics know thst Stalin was the worst leader in Europe in the last century.
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u/Zvede Aug 31 '26
learn the difference between communism and socialism, and also how not to be brainwashed by modern propaganda
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u/hilav19660 Aug 30 '26
and now the communists want to invade them again.
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u/Great_Banana_Master Aug 30 '26
Are those communists in the room with us?
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u/hiverty Aug 30 '26
Yes, russians
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u/Great_Banana_Master Aug 30 '26
Me when I lie on the internet:
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u/stonecuttercolorado Sep 03 '26
There have been a number of threats against the Baltic States by russia in the last few years.
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u/Great_Banana_Master Sep 03 '26
This is going to sound repetitive, but me when reading comprehension:
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u/stonecuttercolorado Sep 03 '26
Russians today are not communist, but they are absolutly a threat to the Baltic States. I am very glad the Baltic States are in NATO and that NATO exists
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u/KUZMITCHS Aug 31 '26
Yeah, and ruZZia isn't invading Ukraine either.
Suuure
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u/Great_Banana_Master Aug 31 '26
Holy illiteracy
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u/KUZMITCHS Aug 31 '26
Again, is ruZZia not invading Ukraine just like how the communists invaded them in 1918?
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u/Great_Banana_Master Aug 31 '26
Exactly what point of mine are you trying to address? Because it's becoming hard to tell
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u/KUZMITCHS Aug 31 '26
In WW2, who do you refer to as Nazis? Members of NSDAP? Or also soldiers of the Wehrmacht?
By that same logic, what do you refer to as soldiers who wave the Soviet flag over their T-72 tanks rolling into Ukraine? Their high-ranking officers wearing the Soviet flag patch on their sleeves? Their helicopters being adorned with the text - "To Berlin!", "We can do it again!"
Their media joking about how they're going to reunify the old great state again?
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