r/ArcRaiders • u/SevdUp • 22h ago
Media Oh really? Who would’ve thought?
You guys whined for a pve mode, now you’re whining that the pve mode is pve. Sounds like you guys just want a mode where nobody can damage you but you can damage whoever you want
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u/mrwasteurtime305 22h ago
This guy doesnt speak for all pve players. Calm down
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u/Bonfire_Monty 20h ago
This guy doesn't speak for any PvEers lmao, that dude clearly wants to merc people over Arc parts lmao
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u/Gaarrrry 19h ago
soooo are you willing to give up all your loot whenever you kill an Arc and someone didn’t help at all?
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u/Public_Sprinkles_229 18h ago
As if that doesn’t happen in the normal version of the game?
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u/Gaarrrry 18h ago
Yeah but at least in the normal version of the game if someone tries to take loot from my kills I can shoot them…. Hence why my original comment has a ? in it. If you don’t care about letting people who don’t even shoot a bullet take your stuff from the Arc you kill, that’s fine just say that.
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u/Boovalicious14 17h ago
Costs Me less to let them Have some loot And Wait for a respawn Or load Back in, than it does to lose an entire kit in a fight.
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u/Gaarrrry 17h ago
Yeah that’s fair. I don’t lose my kits in fights too often so economically it made more sense just to kill people when they do that. Plus PvP is fun for me and so fighting someone isn’t a bad thing so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Boovalicious14 16h ago
PvP Is Fun for Me Too, but hasn't been in This particular game. Because I Choose to Play a certain way, And so I Know there's Others that Play like I Do And I Feel how they Feel When they Get "ratted" Or whatever you Want to Call it so I Refuse to Do that to SomeOne Else. Going in And shooting EveryOne, Getting into gunfights, that's Fun. Going in to Earn points for a trial that Requires Me to Be not fully equipped for a PvP fight then Getting killed After 30 Minutes of Trying to score points And I can't Do anything about it, that's not Fun. Now there's a Separate Mode for it And I Might Actually Go And PLAY PvP Now that I don't Have to Risk messing up how I Normally Like to Play, just to shoot someOne for a Few Rounds. Especially since to Get out of Friendly Lobbies, I Would Have to shoot a bunch of Friendly People like MySelf.
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u/Gaarrrry 16h ago
Not gonna lie to you - that comment was hard to follow but it sounds like you like the PvE mode so have fun!
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u/Public_Sprinkles_229 17h ago
I mean, you only focus on the negative situations because you’re being disingenuous about the discussion and it helps paint your perspective as the more rational one, but whatever floats your boat man.
If you don’t care about people shooting you in the back while you’re looting the Arc that they helped you kill under the guise of teamwork, that’s fine just say that.
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u/Gaarrrry 17h ago
damn bro a lot of assumptions baked in there - but hey continue having fun in the PvE mode.
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u/Public_Sprinkles_229 17h ago
Nah, not assumptions. Phrasing it the way you did makes it pretty clear.
“Are you willing to give up all your loot whenever you kill an Arc?” is disingenuous. Does it happen? Sure, but is it as bad as you’re making it seem like it is? Nope. And even if it does happen, it’s rarely “all your loot”.
But either way, I will thanks! Have fun in PvPvE mode.
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u/Gaarrrry 17h ago edited 16h ago
Again a lot of assumptions baked into your comment when you could just ask instead of assume but sure I mean it seems like you get off on feeling smarter than other people so it makes sense you’d assume anyone who disagrees with you is an asshole.
Also I feel completely comfortable being an asshole to you cause you called me disingenuous and then strawmanned my argument soooo ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/DmMeWerewolfPics 18h ago
That’s fine! We are all trying to survive in a post apocalypse. It’s more game time for me, I’ll help someone else!
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u/Gaarrrry 18h ago
Gotcha. I don’t think it’s fun whenever someone doesn’t put in any effort to help me kill something and then takes a majority of the loot. I also don’t consider that helping someone so I think that’s where we differ.
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u/TWS_Mike 20h ago
Plenty are now playing, planty are already complaining, and plenty will come complaining.
Even under the posts you already see some imbeciles saying to lock room loot to the player who unlocked the room. You guys are fucking up the game completely it's ridiculous...
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u/NeoTechi 20h ago
Even when Jerry left this mortal coil, he's still complaining wherever he is. Some traditions truly transcend death. The Devs could personally hand Jerry the keys to the Arc kingdom, and he'd still be on Reddit five minutes later complaining that someone else got to open the gates first and looted their loot. We now temporarily have PvE, and he's already demanding that loot be locked to whoever opens a room. Apparently, even in a game about scavenging a post-apocalyptic world, the concept of sharing loot is where he draws the line.
Some people play games to have fun. Others treat every update like a personal declaration of war against their existence. I recommend going for a walk, figuring out what you truly care about in life, and touch some grass.
Jerry may have left this mortal coil, but his spirit lives on in every Redditor who demands the Devs redesign an entire game around the fact that they didn't get the loot they wanted. May his complaints be eternal, his expectations unreasonable, and his Reddit karma forever in the negative.
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u/SevdUp 22h ago
I’ve seen so many more people complaining about pve in the past couple minutes since posting this. No posts yet, I don’t think, but lots of comments
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u/Recykill 22h ago
Best thing about mixed lobbies is that often, great loot areas are untouched even 10 mins into a raid. Carebear lobbies.. eveything is picked clean so fast. Pve toggle is probably even worse lol.
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u/Alexis_the_Witch 21h ago edited 19h ago
You know you can turn the pve toggle off right? Edit: I didn't mean the OP who just posted a screenshot. Sorry for that <3
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u/SB_5259 18h ago
and get thrown into shoot on sight lobbies with people with fully tricked out loadouts?
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u/SevdUp 21h ago
I’m not the one whining about it.
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u/Alexis_the_Witch 21h ago
Oh! my bad. I didn't read it properly, seems like I've toggled my stupid mode on :'D
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u/Outrageous_Lead9848 22h ago edited 22h ago
Pvpmode he would've killed you while you looted the bastion. Pick your poison😅 Im enjoying the PvE mode sofar. Many of my friends and co workers are busy reinstalling the game right now.
And the loot quality loss isn't that noticeable for me,
I came out of a 10 minute buried city raid with 164k loot in hurricane mode
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u/SevdUp 22h ago
Not if you’re in a ‘carebear lobby’
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u/Content_Skill_397 22h ago
The shadow and evil tether launcher of doom and despair cancelling vulture looting:
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u/aranauto2 21h ago
What you experienced doesn’t happen most of the time, and there were times where I would be on the mic and say hey don’t touch that which usually worked
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u/SevdUp 22h ago
Downvoted for telling the truth :(
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u/Public_Sprinkles_229 18h ago
I would guess you’re being downvoted because you seem to only focus on the negative aspects of it all instead of the potential positive.
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u/Pretend-Narwhal-593 21h ago
Such a dumb thing to complain about, like, just go kill more ARC. That's the point of the game
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u/UnHatapon 20h ago
Yes. But to kill an arc you invest ressources and time. Ressources that yiu might not have in big quantities (like wolfpack)
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u/Pretend-Narwhal-593 18h ago
Ammo is cheap 🤷🏻♂️
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u/UnHatapon 18h ago
Reason why i talked about wolfpack.
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u/Pretend-Narwhal-593 17h ago
What do you need a Wolfpack so desperately for?
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u/UnHatapon 16h ago
I am not desperate for them. Just its something thay cost a lot of ressources and, if i kill a rocketeer using multiple of them, i don't want someone to take the cores.
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u/Pretend-Narwhal-593 16h ago
You shouldn't be using multiple Wolfpacks to down a single Rocketeer, that's resource negative on the drivers. That's why I said ammo is cheap. Rocketeers are easy enough to kill with a Hullcracker or Jupiter.
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u/uchipicha 20h ago
well whatDoUknow, in pve you loose a lot more to rats... like your emtire kit and loot.
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u/UnHatapon 20h ago
Ok, so, first, someone who shoot you isn't a rat. Second, he isn't talking about PVPers, he ks talking about pepole stealing your loot.
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u/uchipicha 20h ago
Plenty of arc to go around and nobody is fast enough to steal all your loot.
Some will be stolen and some you have time to pick.
it's better then to kill the ark and then get killed for doing the heavy lifting.
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u/Ciaran_h1 19h ago
This tells me you don't actually take on anything above a firefly.
Once players see anything of a Bastion, Bombardier, Rockateer, upwards - once they see it smoking, everybody from the lobby comes over. They'll either start doing a small bit of damage with their kettle, taking pot-shots thinning they deserve a piece of the pie or just straight up randomers lurking come in and steal all pieces and run away.
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u/Ciaran_h1 19h ago
Well what happens if you kill them? You get their kit and the loot. Silly argument to make.
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u/uchipicha 18h ago
I don't like doing pvp and shooting other players who might not be there for the pvp like me.
besides, ammo is cheeper than loosing my equalizer or Hullckracker.
I still would have enough time to take out a core or two and depending on Spawn point or location i might just as well habe a bigger chunk of the loot if i take it out fast enough.
No biggie.
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u/MacGreigor 20h ago
This post is a joke. Not only is it 0 of an original thought, but all this guy is doing is saying "not my comment". Guy just picked some random ass comment without doing any gaming. Absolutely trolling about it.
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u/Training_Diamond_897 15h ago
It's one of hundreds in the last couple days. None of them deserve any attention at all.
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u/InternationalRip6970 10h ago
Hate to break it to you they’re taking everyone’s feedback whether you play or not. They want both sides to share feedback.
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u/fr33py 18h ago
These are the most disingenuous posts I've seen.
First off, if you a player truly played in friendly lobby PvPvE, players knocked down a bastion usually with others, and everyone looted it roughly at the same time and you got some peices of loot. Sometimes you'd get 0-1 purples, other times you might get lucky and get 5 of them, all while a couple others looted the bastion with you. And never once did you shoot the other people for looting the Bastion. Every now and then you'd solo a mob and some clown would come try and steal your loot and rarely do those people kill them, sometimes they do. Guess what, if you are the player that kills the scum bad who is trying to "steal your loot" and its something you are concerned with and want to do something about, then talent up Bull Rush or bring tethers and just tether the clown away from the loot so you can loot it first.
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u/Boovalicious14 17h ago
First clue that it's not real "not only is it 0 nerf...". Who Would Complain about that? Also "but All the PvE Folks loot everything in sight". Not All of Us, We're pretty Respectful Usually, but referring to PvE folks as PvE folks Is implying that you aren't one of them.
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u/Shezzofreen 2h ago
...and sometimes, when you get 5 of them, you throw 2 on the ground for the friendly help.
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u/imsickofitalready 22h ago
And? You don't like it - go play PvPvE.
You like it - you're good.
I will play PvPvE mostly, but I tried for a couple raids today and I liked because there were a lot of people cooperating. I'm a solo player and this was the first time I did Dam Controlled Access puzzle.
Also, did you see everything else in the latest update? There a thing called Tether Launcher and Tether Grenade. Use it on your fellow raiders.
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u/ThatOneCourier 22h ago
By splitting the player base into two modes, where one of them is half of the other
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u/SevdUp 22h ago
That’s not my comment in the pic btw, you should probably read the body
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* 🐓 22h ago
Your main body built off that quote. Don’t foist the responsibility to others now when you used it as a foundation of a “haha! Look at those clowns!!”
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u/Training_Diamond_897 15h ago
Don't even bother trying to reason with low IQ people. They have more luck having a conversation with an eggplant, and even then the eggplant would probably come out on top.
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u/imsickofitalready 21h ago
Loot is nerfed. I went to a couple of raids on Dam to get springs and rubber and there was much less resources and containers.
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u/JontyFox 22h ago
I mean you had a good argument but you just ruined it with your last sentence and gave everyone an avenue to rip it apart.
There is a genuine problem with a PvE lobby in that you have no way to protect or enforce ownership over something you feel like you earned.
Everything has to be shared with anyone around. I guess thats the tradeoff for playing the game on easy mode.
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u/TsunaKurosaki 21h ago
Jesus the crying from pvpers is crazy. We have 3 modes rn and these guys are just bashing pve mode so they can keep easy prey in their lobby. Stfu and play your preferred mode.
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u/WildDonkey3419 19h ago
Not only that, but when you go back into the PVPVE mode everyone is PvP only I’m officially done with this game you guys have fun🫡💯
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u/SevdUp 19h ago
The pve mode is limited time just so you know. This is just a test run to see how players like it. I’m 90% sure it’ll be gone in a few days according to the devs. I could be misremembering though
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u/Lord_MUTLY 18h ago
It runs from today, Oct 13 to 20th. Then they'll decide if it's going to be a permanent addition to the game. My take: it will.
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u/Seminole1046 17h ago
Hopefully it will or I’m gonna have to delete it again 😢
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u/CallMeAxiom 17h ago
Ill buy the game soon as its implemented. Cant stand extraction shooters, but the game looks neat.
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u/Seminole1046 9h ago
I don’t like them either tbh. But the games is good when rat players aren’t extraction camping . Pve lobbies hopefully become permanent
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u/WildDonkey3419 16h ago
Trust me, I know all the information about the mode and I’m pretty sure they’re not going to keep it in there unless they just need more bodies to play the game
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u/SnooOwls1916 20h ago
How did people survive in other games when this could happen? Just move on to the next kill?
What’s next? Individual loot? At that point just make it singleplayer
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u/Electric-Rat 20h ago
Yank grenades, tether launcher, pulse mines all still move people in the PvEv mode, no? Haven't tried it yet but the original commenter likely has some options to deal with loot thieves.
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u/Confident_Shape_8379 19h ago
Honestly, why even split the player base with a separate PvE mode? All they need to do is let us keep the starting gear we brought into the raid. If I die, let other players or robots take everything I successfully looted during that match, but leave my base loadout alone. I'd actually play the game if it worked this way. But as it stands now, losing all your progress is just awful. I played for 4 hours, got killed 9 times, and lost everything. "Nice" experience, truly.
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u/WolfPaq3859 18h ago
The mode specifically says it has significantly less loot than normal, why are you playing it to loot? The point of the mode is to blow up robots without someone backstabbing you
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u/Interest-Complex 17h ago
I already knew I was never gonna play PvE for this exact reason, sometimes you're farming trials and a dude steals your bastion kill or whatever cuz he wants the points, at least in PvP I can end his fckin life for being an asshole, in PvE you have to eat shi lol
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u/Seminole1046 17h ago
Ppl did this even in PvP . Personally , I’m loving pve. I quit playing originally bc I kept getting ratted even tho I literally NEVER shot at other players
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u/Runs_With_EmptyMag 17h ago
Not gonna lie , the pissing & moaning is becoming more entertaining than the friggin game itself 🤣
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u/Gaarrrry 16h ago
You quoted me as saying:
> Are you willing to give up all your loot whenever you kill an Arc?
What I actually said in my original comment was
> soooo are you willing to give up all your loot whenever you kill an Arc and someone didn’t help at all?
And they are materially different. I don’t care if someone takes loot off of scavs or Arc or bots in Marathon if they helped kill them. Hence why I added that distinction on mine that you left off when quoting me. More often than not though my personal experience has shown me that PvE in Arc has at least one or two people a raid that want to run around and just loot stuff without shooting a single bullet. That’s fine, people should be able to play however they want, but I would rather not play a PvE game where someone can play like that and benefit off of the effort of other people. It’s not a value judgment, I don’t think that makes me better than anyone and I don’t think that anyone who likes PvE is worse than people who like PvP. It’s purely because I play games to have fun and I don’t think that is fun. I don’t think it’s helping the other person either because ultimately if they have to rely on other people to kill stuff for them, they will never be able to play the game alone. Maybe people don’t ever wanna play Arc alone, which again, fair, but I don’t need to like that style of gameplay or even need to want to play a game that encourages it with its systems. I think these systems make the game less popular, not more (why didn’t it hit peak numbers again after the update? Hmm 🤔).
So again, please come at me with baked in assumptions while misquoting me. It’s really cool.
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u/AnyBroccoli4680 16h ago
I heard more slurs today and arguments over loot in the game then in any other match in history 😭
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u/CptnCrunch14 14h ago
Same shit happens in a normal raid but u get shot in the head from behind and loose all ur shit
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u/bluepit22 14h ago
been calling it.. we have a pve already. even if ratted or once or ever hundred raids.. im fine with that over someone coming in my key room or take my cores...
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u/Grouchy-Bad-503 12h ago
I've said it before. I think the biggest support for a PvE only mode was PvPers that are tired of struggling to progress and/or rebuild their kit they lossed to PvP.
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u/NewLightPerspective 10h ago
I have found several Ai posts dogging the pve mode, idk what demon time pvp rats are on but ita funny asf 😂
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u/PENGUINSflyGOOD 6h ago
Lol at least they didn't get dead by some guy waiting for them to loot it. Gamers are some of the most whiny mfers I swear.
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u/Dragonknight2692 5h ago
I played a couple of pve matches yesterday wjth some randoms to see why anyone would play it and i can say that i honestly understand now why so many people wanted pve. But its funny when they open a lock door and everybody around goes and loot. They lose their minds.
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u/Shezzofreen 2h ago
The guy in the picture is not a PvE Player - because in Carebear-Lobbies, if you looted the thing you shot, you didn't shoot the other guy who took also something. Maybe you throw a fist, but don't shoot.
Thats normal, daily life for PvE Players.
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u/Chaotix069 27m ago
I dislike this mode to the fullest. The Pve crew has been the most toxic so far
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u/Subject_Anybody_7668 14h ago
This mode is not needed. It is just going to water down the PVPVE lobbies with more rats. PVE mode will be full of rats griefing players by spamming them with snitch scanners, skulker turrets, lure grenades and blaze grenades. This mode is only good for PVP players that need to reload loot to PvP and for getting quests and trials done. It will ruin the other parts of the game.
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u/ApheliosMain7090 21h ago
Loot priority exist.... Look at world of warcraft. But well too much to ask ig
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u/edgarisdrunk 17h ago
They are slowly finding out in real time that there are situations in game where you need to defend your loot with a gun, and that it’s not just “rats” who shoot other players.
They are finally understanding what the PvP in PvPvE means.
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u/Boovalicious14 17h ago
Too Bad 'PvPers' don't Understand what it Means
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u/edgarisdrunk 17h ago
A player shooting both another raider and an Arc knows what it means, so not sure what you’re trying to say here.
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u/Boovalicious14 17h ago
Saying the majority of what Us "PvEers" complain about isn't real "PvP". In PvP Games, it's fair for EveryOne involved. If I'm looting something And Get shot from behind, the TTK in this game Almost Ensures I lose the fight. And so many Argue the point "that's just PvP, Do Better". I can't loot Or fight arc if I'm Having to stop And Listen for footsteps Or Check around Every single dark corner to Make Sure no One Is hiding, Waiting for an opportunity. That's not PvP, I don't Care how you Argue it.
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u/edgarisdrunk 16h ago
You quite literally got shot in the back during the tutorial. The game devs told you how this game was, not their fault that you ignored it.
Do better.
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u/Boovalicious14 16h ago
Not the point. They Tell you it's Possible. Not that I don't Have Chance to Defend MySelf. Pretty Sure you Get double teamed in the tutorial.
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u/edgarisdrunk 16h ago
Not just possible, it’s quite literally the climax of the tutorial. You can hand wave all you want but the game devs were very intentional with that. The fact that you get double teamed just drives home the fact that you should watch your back and be ready to defend yourself at all times.
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u/edgarisdrunk 16h ago
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I view the double team as a way for the devs to tell players that sometimes you’re just gonna lose your stuff. You’re gonna get downed and there was not much you could do to stop it.
And that’s the game. You get gear, you lose gear, you move on and queue up again.
No sense in getting worked up and raging at losing
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u/Boovalicious14 16h ago
Climax of the tutorial Is Me extracting Safely? You're Missing the entire point. Point isn't that I Can Get shot in the Back, that's Fine. Point Is that IF I Get shot in the Back, the Chances of Me winning the fight Are extremely low. If I Have to Spend All My Time Concerned with Other Raiders: Listening for them, Checking rooms, etc what's the point in the rest of the game? Might as well just Be PvP.
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u/ParkingEnergy8680 22h ago
Should just do what MMO’s do and lock the loot to a player if they took it down by themselves, or randomly assign lootable sections to each player that helped take that enemy down.
As a group you took down a bastion? There’s a clearly marked broken section or two that is yours to loot, and the other broken pieces are literally unlootable, as they’re assigned to someone else who helped.
What would be the problem with that?
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u/NeoTechi 19h ago
I can only see this working if they made the PvE permanent. Also the possibility of instanced loot. We'll see what Embark concludes after all this data is gathered and processed to see if its viable.
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u/TylertheFloridaman 19h ago
If you have no ontrest in a loot based extraction shooter why are you here
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u/ParkingEnergy8680 18h ago
They kinda took out the threat in the actual extraction when they took away the ability to die to an enemy player? What are you even saying lol.
I don’t plan to play the PvE event in the first place, I just don’t understand why they wouldn’t implement the obvious fix to this problem
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u/DmMeWerewolfPics 21h ago
just talk it out. in the end even if they steal your loot it's better than just shooting them over it. it's just pixels.
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u/ParkingEnergy8680 21h ago
If the loot was assigned fairly via the an in-game mechanic there would be no need to talk about anything
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u/DmMeWerewolfPics 19h ago
they're probably getting more joy out of the loot then I am anyways. I'm happy they got it!
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u/Roel1017 19h ago
We moeten gwn met ze alle die pve noobjes afmaken duw ze van randen af gooi lur grenades steek ze in brand doe alles eraan om een pve speler dood te maken in een pve lobby ! 🤣
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u/kaic_87 8h ago
Funny how I played PvE mode ONLY for hours, solo and trios, and didn't see this happening at all. Had 4 Emperor runs, with only another team tagging along on all of them. Opened more than 12 locked doors and found zero people hanging around like some people here are claiming. Progressed through more than 20 of my quests. PvE mode is fine, could be tweaked to work a little differently, but it's super good. Great for new people trying to learn the maps, for older players to have a chill time with friends, for everyday players that just want to focus on quests or gathering mats.