r/ArcRaiders • u/Wagsamillion • 5d ago
Media This should NOT happen
If you're already in the gondola, you shouldn't continue to take damage if you're downed. I already got past the animation, I shouldn't have to sit for another ten seconds.
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u/MrPanda663 5d ago
āIncoming Raider! Set her down slowly. Someone get this door open itās stuckā
āI got it, oh shit.ā
āDamn, they must have bleed out during the trip. Poor bastardā¦.ā
āShould we take the loot anyway?ā
āYeah.ā
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u/shawnhi 5d ago
I had a player try to help me to the direction. I would be happier somewhat if they did take my loot.
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u/Nepomucky 5d ago
DOA loot should go to a pool that gets shared on a PvP mission or tournament.
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u/Competitive_Piano507 5d ago
Would be absolutely amazing if next time a gondola came down and someone opened that hatch your body dropped out lmao
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u/KIVHT 5d ago
I had a similar thought but that you would have to pull the corpse out to get in.
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u/Dookiestain 5d ago
If survivor isn't on I think it's ok
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u/Someonestol 5d ago
yeah this is the equivalent of dying while the elevator is closing
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u/ajm2247 5d ago
No itās the equivalent of if when the elevator doors close thereās still a 5 second window afterwards where nothing happens and you can still die during it
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u/thing1thatiam 5d ago
Which is still a risk you take, you know? Its the same thing so what's to complain about? It hasn't left yet, so you can still pass out in this small window.
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u/Morphs_ 5d ago
It's about video game design. When no more player input is possible, negative consequences will lead to frustrations 100% of the time.
This is an experience you don't want as a player, and it's an experience you don't want to serve to the player base as a developer either.
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u/R34CT10N 5d ago
I understand what youāre saying, but itās a video game and Iād argue itās poor game design
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u/Moopey343 5d ago
Risk? In my Player Vs Player Vs Murderous Robots game that takes place in a wasteland where everyone is out for themselves?
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u/CallTheCode 5d ago
That happened to me the other day. It hadnāt ever happened before. I was so angry that it was even possible lol. š¤¦š¼āāļø MFers who killed me couldnāt even loot meā they did it just to be dicks. š«
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u/h3xperimENT 4d ago
Its basically the time it takes to get up hit the extract button and wait for the doors to close. Although it doesn't feel like that which is shitty. They should do something to make it feel that way.
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u/thing1thatiam 5d ago
This. Same thing. Its unfortunate but it hasn't left yet. Same thing with the elevators, vents, raider hatches. It makes sense.
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u/PropellerHatPlz 5d ago
Why bother having the knock mechanic then? Crawling to the exit and dying right before you get there is frustrating, but it happens. Making it just in time is exhilerating.
Thinking you've made it, watching an extremely uninteresting 10 seconds of the gondola slowly taking off, just for your character to die and clip through the pod, sucking all the joy out of trying to crawl to an extract, and ruining the idea of even bothering to try, on top of leaving you knowing you would have been fine if it were any other extract that resolves in a couple seconds.
The PvE'er and PvP'er camps may have entirely different approaches to gamplay, but your "It didn't happen to me so your bad and you should feel bad." motto is identical.
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u/zbeck5 5d ago
I died during the animation into a raider hatch yesterday. Thank god I didnāt crash outā¦
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u/dire-raven-x 5d ago
Oooo that happened to me and I was SOOOO mad. Still mad? Yea. Still mad.
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u/TruthtoFables 5d ago
Me three ā¦ I used my key, got in the hatch, it closed ā¦ and I got the message āYouāll get them next timeā and lost all my stuff š¤¬
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u/TheOutrider0 2d ago
This but it was admittedly my fault. I wanted that achievement for leaving in the last 5 seconds hornet stunned me and mid animation I died despite seeing my raider jump in the hatch
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u/TheFlyingSanitater 5d ago
Damn, I did agree with OP, but then I remembered that you can still die between the extract button animation and the end screen on the other extracts.
It is brutal tho, I feel the disappointment š
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u/Sufficient_Team_6676 5d ago
https://reddit.com/link/peoc7z9/video/6dqaj0fyz9uh1/player
the people in Speranza opening the capsule
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u/Browniemonster67 5d ago
Lol yea, that sucks. Probably wonāt happen often though. As far as āuse survivorā being the solutionā¦ can be even more rare. I had over 600 hours topside before getting my first survivor bp.
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u/OrganizationNo1298 4d ago
I got survivor BP through either one of the Trials, Projects, or Merits. Same with Bobcat BP. Are you doing any of those?
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u/Significant-Ad-341 5d ago
Really??? I've found 2 in one raid and given away so many
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u/Royal_Hawk5502 3d ago
Iāve found at least one survivor bp each expedition. And Iāve done them all.
You gotta go where they frequently spawn. If you donāt frequent those maps or areas, itās unlikely to come across a survivor bp purely by chance.
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u/Mingu_Heaven 5d ago
nope, you died before its been sended
just like in regular extraction point
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u/1outOforder1 5d ago
Donāt you technically get āknocked outā or unconscious in this game? Shouldnāt all extraction methods just work if you manage to activate them before bleeding out? Not trying to argue against your point, I havenāt played in a bit but remembered that detail
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u/PossibleAlienFrom 4d ago
Try having 500k coins and after buying the $30 DLC, it vanishes.
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u/Sanner_man 5d ago
Yes it should. Get a survivor augment if you don't want it to happen.
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u/SemperSqueeze 5d ago
I just extracted while downed with a survivor augment, your health still depletes while youāre inside. Thatās gotta get fixed
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u/FinnishMafiaFan 5d ago
Yes, this is how extraction games work. It sucks sometimes, but there is lots of loot out there.
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u/almathden 5d ago
eh, bro is in extract and ready to go. Wouldn't be a stretch to have the extract stabilize you for this specific case.
Trains, elevators? Nah. This monstrosity? Sure
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u/helix212 5d ago
This animation/part of extract would be equivalent to typing on computer in elevator and train. You can still die in those after you type.
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u/Jabberwocky99705 5d ago
Id argue opening the door and climbing in is the animation for typing on the keypad. Its not far-fetched to say that each pod has medical stabilizers for once youre fully in the pod.
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u/Jabberwocky99705 5d ago
For this extract specifically it would make sense since you're in a single pod.
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u/TheAlmightyNexus 5d ago
If only they were easy to find
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u/SpaceRac1st 5d ago
100h playtime since my last reset, over 70 blueprints and havenāt even seen the survivor bp once. And then people tell you ājUsT uSe SuRviVoR aUgMenTā as if you have a choice.
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u/Administering_Narcan 5d ago
402hr total playtime and never reset š¤·š»āāļø Iāve got loads of em
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u/Sufficient_Team_6676 5d ago
Bro, what upgrade is that? I literally revived two guys who had been down for over a minute, to the point where they told me, "Take your time and hide from the Arcs"
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u/goldcrusty 5d ago
I totally agree! If we go as the logic that every Raider that "dies" actually goes unconscious that means you should be okay in this scenario waking up in Speranza lol
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u/No_Appointment_5326 5d ago
That's pretty damn funny, I would be so mad though.
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u/1951Blackhawk 5d ago
We need a laugh emote during that 5 second delay. or an automated message saying you don't have enough time to finish the extract, muhmuhmuha. Better luck next time.
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u/FickleApparition 5d ago
"Wagsamillion died on the way to their home planet." Lol
Also other people are wild for their takes on this, door closing should stop bleedout because the animation is much longer, and realistically all of these methods would have us bleeding out (train, elevator, vent) before we were really "back" but both train and elevator are similar to gondola in that you definitely make it the whole way if knocked. Hatch and vent (both blue gate vertical and stella horizontal) should probably require you to not even be downed since they would require more movement on your part to make it back. Idk honestly being "in" or "on" and extract should probably stop bleeding to make it all more consistent anyways.
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u/Jabberwocky99705 5d ago
It would make sense for these gondola "pods" to have some form of medical aid in them for people extracting. I mean they clearly have to have an ability to warm the person otherwise they would freeze to death before making it back to speranza or their raider den. I always assumed that the trains boxes held medical supplies that was "used" whenever you extracted kno knocked, and that the shafts with the zip lines down had some form of medical harness for knocked players to get home after the screen goes dark. If we are going with trying to make sense thematically
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u/Even-Journalist1901 5d ago
Next person to call the extract is gonna have a surprise waiting when they slide that door open lol
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u/clear_flux 5d ago
In a normal game, if you press the button, get into where ever your going and the door closes, that's considered an exit.
If the door is closed on the capsule you technically shouldn't lose health when downed because you've technically left the game.
I'm inclined to agree with the OP
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u/Heidrpoo 5d ago
It's similar to raider cargo elevators. You push the computer button and it takes awhile for the doors to close. You can bleed out during this time and not extract. This has a longer interact timer and a shorter time after that. I bet the time between initiate-button-press and safe extract are very close across extract types.
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u/alejoSOTO 5d ago
I think we all get that, but the point is that on the elevators and trains, the door closes=successful extraction.
Is the inconsistency that's annoying
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u/HunterWithGreenScale 5d ago
A trade off to fixing this would be if it were to be made possible to open the door if the gondola hasn't left yet and shoot the guy still in it. Otherwise they extract successfullyĀ
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u/LeatherLeadership943 5d ago edited 4d ago
The extraction method on pendola pass is probably the only part of this update that I donāt like and I honestly fucking hate it. Basically no point to wear a survivor solo cause you can only make it to the gondola if you get a lucky ass drop.
Edit: Yes you can still make it to the gondola with the survivor. I was more referencing trying to do it at the very end of a round is brutal when you donāt have enough time to fully heal up before calling it
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u/wadesauce369 5d ago
Itās a new kind of challenge. You have to adapt man.
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u/Xbrand182x 5d ago
Different augments are better for different maps. I think thatās actually neat premise
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u/chick3n13 5d ago
If you listen carefully, it tells you in which direction it will land. You start crawling in that direction soon as it says it
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u/Snowydeath11 *** ******* 5d ago
Also the light literally points in the direction too. AND thereās a compass icon immediately
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u/Wagsamillion 5d ago
Yeah after a few more hours of playing the map, survivor is not going to come in handy as much as people think here. Especially if you're downed before you even call the gondola, good luck crawling to the drop zone before it takes off š
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u/SuperRo0t 5d ago
There is something in the skill tree that is a similarity to the survivor augment. Probably not that great though.
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u/Daveprince13 4d ago
The two green skill on the bottom left help you get out with survivor. Longer time to crawl and faster crawl
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u/energyinmotion 4d ago
This exact situation happened to me today, and the survivor augment is the only reason I made it out alive. I was afraid I'd lose my Anvil, considering those are gold now.
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u/Key_Personality2034 4d ago
Its purposefully to make people use other augments. Still good with the theee stash slots.
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u/BoomGTDynamite 5d ago
I run survivor all the time, I already have 5 copies of the blueprint in my expedition vault post 5th expedition. You could say I like having it. But, I like the new change to this extract. Games like this shouldnt be easy. The highest level map has some risk of dying even with survivor. Thats a good thing in my book.
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u/Chad627495927 4d ago
Funny because survivor saved me last night. Whatās so hard about it? You call the pod in, you listen for it, and boom off you go.Ā
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u/EmuAppropriate1275 5d ago
I personally completely agree with you OP, once the door is closed you should be secured and invulnerable to death.
S urvivor stays as the only augment utilized because the value disparity is so large.Ā
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u/AGiReptile 5d ago
How is this any different than bleeding out when you are in a normal extract? This is such a nothing burger, I swear yall just want this game to be even easier than it already is
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u/Morphs_ 5d ago
I once made a similar post about this with the elevator and got flamed from all sides for even suggesting this is a frustrating thing.
But yes I agree. There's no functional merit in continuing to take damage, other than making it a frustrating experience, even though player action is no longer possible.
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u/Shane75776 5d ago
You are still down and dying until it leaves. It's no different than in the trains and elevators. You can pull the lever and still die before the doors finish closing.
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u/daypxl 5d ago
the only thing wrong about this clip is the way your characterās body spazzed out and clipped through the capsule lmao
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u/Xijit 5d ago
Which shows that dying inside the pod is not intended.
Everything up until the door closing is legit, including if they died while the door was closing, but dying after the door is fully closed for 5 seconds is like dying because you fell down the inner gate of a blue gate air shaft.
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u/Kooky_Berry2424 5d ago
Why do people whine about everything
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u/phantomzero 5d ago
Isn't this comment whining about people whining? Whineception. Yo dawg I heard...
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u/OryxOski1XD 5d ago
Cause it doesnt really make sense? He pressed the exit and was already past the animation of entering, like how every other exit is.
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u/Scottdots88 4d ago
Itās the same as when you hit the button on elevators and you can still die and lose health before the doors close all the way. Nah donāt change it. Fringe situation
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u/WolfHeathen 5d ago
You bled out in the tube. Sucks, I know, but what's the issue here?
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u/lblack_dogl 5d ago edited 5d ago
The lore is that you get knocked out, you never die. If you are sitting in the extract, door shut, you should get home and get revived.
Edit: why am I getting downvoted, your raider NEVER dies in this game, that's been made pretty clear if you pay attention in game. You get knocked down, then you get knocked out. Off screen, your limp body gets dragged back to speranza for resuscitation. Your loot gets picked clean but you survive. Doesn't really add up if you knock out in the extract like this.
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u/quaalitytv 5d ago
in my mind once the door closes you are extracted, not like you could be shot through the door and die if you were not downed. so similarly your state should be paused at this point. elevators are open and when they close your extraction is now done.
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u/Lazy_Earth_468 5d ago
Im not a fan of how the gondola pings for everyone that near by. I was running duos, called in the gondolas. On our way to it we got ambushed by a duo hiding in a train car.
When you call in a train or elevator to extract, yes itāll make noise and lights will go off near by to indicate the extracts coming.
But they donāt show up on the HUD to anyone thatās nearby like the gondola does.
I think itād be better if it didnāt show up on the HUD at all and just used lights and noise to indicate its location like the rest of the other extracts.
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u/Redeyeninja_1_6 5d ago
I don't see a problem. Just because you are in any of the other extracts doesn't mean you'll live. You still have to wait for the monorail to take off, elevator shafts to close, and elevators to close and take off.
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u/Harry_Mantilope 5d ago
I donāt see the problem here. You can still bleed out while in elevators. I donāt think it needs to be even easier to extract in this game. This is also why the survivor augment is preferred over anything else.
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u/the_vast_awaits 5d ago
is this new map any good? I'm planing to install again after 8 months not playing it
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u/DroptimusPrimeSC2 4d ago
Its just as fun as it was before except now theres a crap ton more stuff to do
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u/TheMattabooey 5d ago
You were too late. No different than going to the normal extraction sites and running out of time after you called for an exit. It sucks but you ran out of time.
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u/SykBasterd 5d ago
Incorrect assumption in your post: you are not "still taking damage". Youve already taken the damage/shots and you are essentially bleeding out or experiencing rapidly declining organ function. If you are unable to get to Speranza prior to flatlining, unfortunately that is you meeting your end.
Bad beat I do admit, but it makes more sense if you interpret it differently.
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u/Round-Direction-9967 5d ago
You never die in Arc Raiders. You explicitly get knocked out.
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u/AvaOrchid1 5d ago
That's the thing Raiders don't bleed out they pass out so it's not really a story situation.
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u/DroptimusPrimeSC2 4d ago
I love when people are this sincere when they are being a condescending prick lmao
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u/tetromiNolz 5d ago
I very much get the anger and disappointment! It is def frustrating. BUT the way Iāve justified it is literally just with the new lore theyāve given us. This new map is new to all raiders. Therefore there hasnāt been any time to add raider hatches or train lines or elevators back to Speranza. So in order to explore it youāve gotta take the risk in relying on the gondolas to get you back. Makes sense that it takes a bit for you to lock in and it take off; itās part of the risk in going there. If you watch the new cut scene with the new update we see Celeste arguing that we need to get there asap. That means sacrificing an easy way out.
And based on some of the language in some of the new quests it sorta makes me think that this will change and we raiders will help discover/develop and new method of extracting.
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u/DeathEagle117 5d ago
Counterpoint, if your downed and your health bar is dropping, your bleeding out or have a critical injury. Getting in a pod doesn't make that injury disappear. Or have your headcanon be, you bled out on the way back to Speranza shrug
If i was a soldier, got shot and crawled to an evac helicopter that has no one in it besides the pilot, does my wound stop bleeding? Nope
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u/thekuroikenshi 5d ago
That's what the Survivor augment is for and why it is OP.
There is the thrill of making it out alive when you have a sliver of health left.
There is the agony of losing all your loot when you didn't make it out in time.
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u/robisadog 5d ago
I mean, you bleed out in the lift while operating the machine and Iāve also died as it goes to Speranza and lost my kit, so, get over it and into the next game no? Non issue.
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u/XxLukriousxX 5d ago
As someone who doesn't play this game (this was in my feed for some reason) I thought you were talking about being able to literally jump up into the seat while being down. That's wild to me.
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u/ZachMartin 5d ago
The game is already pretty soft for an extraction shooter. Canāt please everyone
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u/comet-kaze 5d ago
Agreed, This is a completely new type of extract. Plus when the doors close on the other ones you don't wait 15 seconds to leave the map. Max like what 2-5 seconds? They whacked you here.
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u/Wagsamillion 5d ago
Yeah I feel the same but if that's the design, then it is what it is. Everyone calling it a skill issue just sounds funny. The update just came out a few hours ago, we're all experiencing the new features for the first time.
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u/PsychologicalNose146 5d ago
This is a general complaint about the margins of health and extracting.
OP was just too late. Better luck next time. Havent played the update, i figure you need all spots filled before it extracts?
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u/tetromiNolz 5d ago edited 5d ago
They do not all need to be filled! One person can extract alone. In fact, as soon as one person gets into the gondola the countdown jumps down from 1-2 min down to a few seconds! So even if extracting with a duo, trio, or rando, youāve all gotta get into it almost the same time!
EDIT: which personally Iām not the biggest fan of, but Iād be lying if I said I didnāt still enjoy it. It really adds an extra excitement and intensity to try to extract from Pendola Pass. It also makes a lot of sense with the lore so to me that makes it more fun too.
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u/PsychologicalNose146 5d ago
Good to know :)
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u/tetromiNolz 5d ago
Also hereās some extra info since I just learned it lol! So when you call the gondola it does not land right at the call button. It comes down from the sky and lands near by. Luckily you can see it on your radar map at the top of screen, and once it lands it gives off a constant beep to help you find it as well (took me way too long to learn both those things lmao)
And if you get to a call button and it says āalready in useā or something like that, it means itās already been called and has landed near by. Once it takes off youāll be able to call it again.
Lol hope that helps!! Wish I new all that before I hopped in today lol
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u/TheBiggest3K 5d ago
While this extract type is less downed friendly, a survivor augment solves this
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u/Holiday_Peanut_47 5d ago
People talking about itās realistic meanwhile the body flops out of the closed container after you bleed out.
That thing is slow.
And youād think once getting inside youād be stabilized
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u/SquirrelSuspicious 5d ago
Glad to see most of the comments disagree but man people really want this game to be so easy
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u/Bone_Wh33l 5d ago
What do you mean? You bled out and died, you werenāt taking any damage. Although after typing that, if itās the bleeding out part you dislike thatās just tough luck I guess. Now you know to be faster next time. You canāt make it out of every game
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u/WCSaints13 5d ago
I thought someone was going to bump off the door as you were getting in, thatās tough šØ
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u/Sorrowful_Genus 5d ago
I this happen to me a few times in the past with different elevators and the train itās complete horseshit I completed it I should be able to go with my crap donāt give me that a get a survivor bullshit Iām safe and I canāt move how is that fair
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u/turboh_tom 5d ago
Haha I remember the first time I ever got downed with a Survivor augment (and didnāt realize it) after coming back to the game following a 2-3 month break. I took fall damage on Blue Gate at the bottom of the elevator in reinforced reception. Naturally I was trapped, and unable to leave the elevator shaft, but after a minute or two of pleading for a defib, I realized my red bar wasnāt going down at all. I had a $150K loadout to kick off the raid, so I didnāt want to quitā¦ and it took about 10 minutes, but someone eventually came to the rescue. I think it took a good week to connect the dotsā¦
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u/smartestguy01 5d ago
Does your body now stay dead in the capsule when itās called again? Just curious
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u/PS-Falke 5d ago
Sterben ist immer Ƥrgerlich. Aber kann man so und so sehen. Du kannst ja auch sterben, wƤhrend die TĆ¼ren schlieĆen, nachdem du den Code zur Extraktion eingegeben hast. Ist jetzt nicht unlogisch oder so. Ist halt so.
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u/Actual-Way-6540 5d ago
it absolutely should, the game ends when the gondola leaves - in this time others can get it. you were just too late.
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u/RenanBan 5d ago
I imagine if you got survivor then its ok. Otherwise is the moment the game extracts that you are safe.
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u/CAPTAIN_ZONE 5d ago
Meanwhile back in Speranza they open the ācasketā to find a dead body lol.
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u/JiffTheJester 5d ago
How can you all of the sudden get up and jump in? Lowkey this is kinda dumb lol
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u/Gramscifi 5d ago
It's consistent with how all other exfils work, expecting anything else is just whining.
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u/Melodic_Marsupial489 5d ago
Yeah these extracts need to be tweaked, they're not usable even if you're down.
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u/Straight-Rice-6054 5d ago
https://reddit.com/link/pep88f0/video/06t2d2u3nauh1/player
Im glad they took their 6 months time to deliver a real smooth and bug free experience
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u/EirikurG *** ******* 5d ago
does it matter? next time you'll be there 10 seconds earlier and not die
or maybe you'll be 10 seconds slower and you die in front of the door
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u/TwitchTent 5d ago
It would make plenty of sense that there is something inside to stabilize a downed raider.
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u/Prestigious_Can_4668 5d ago
I mean itās the same mechanic for any of the other extractions in the game like if you bleed out before the doors close for the train or elevator you die
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u/Pavlovs_Human 5d ago
Lmfao the poor techs opening up this raiders pod when it gets back to Speranza:
https://giphy.com/gifs/3ohhwxqQJzrSXnvWoM