r/AdviceAnimals • u/miked_mv • 1d ago

How do Republicans use a religion based on "free will" to force obedience by passing laws?

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u/paris86 1d ago

Which religion is based on free will?

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u/Skilldibop 1d ago

Free will isn't a basis for Christianity, it's the excuse that's used when asked why 'all knowing and all powerful and just' God allows humans to do heinous things.

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u/Vultor 1d ago

Which would be a fine excuse if that human’s actions only affected themselves, but the second it affects someone else the whole concept falls apart.

“Yeah, God gave this woman Free Will to get murdered by a stray bullet in Chicago while on vacation”

But again, it’s hard to logic your way out of something (religion) that rarely gets logic’d into.

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u/DavePeesThePool 1d ago

You're also forgetting about the thousands of children who die of cancer every year. Whose free will causes that?

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u/Vultor 1d ago

I think that’s where “God works in mysterious ways” steps in to take over. Lmao

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u/DavePeesThePool 1d ago

Mysterious or not, there's no way to convince me that an all-powerful and all-knowing creator of all things god would have any need to cause that kind of suffering. Best case scenario for the christian god is that they are incorrect in believing that god to be benevolent.

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u/scrupoo 1d ago

judaism

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u/Hashi856 1d ago

Christians worship free will. It’s their answer to every difficult question

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u/Watari210thesecond 1d ago

Christianity is absolutely not based on free will. The whole shtick is obedience to a higher power.

Religion as a whole has been used as a tool for power and subjugation since ancient times.

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u/liquid_at 1d ago

the fundamental view of conservatives is that god wants them to obey but jesus wants them to have free will, so they use their free will to follow god, because it is clearly more pure and divine if they choose to follow over being forced to... As a conclusion, they want to force everyone else to voluntarily do the same... /s

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u/JoseyWa1es 1d ago

A large proportion of Evangelicals are some strain of Calvinist which do not believe in free will.

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u/miked_mv 1d ago

While I agree, I find that most Evangelicals are ignorant about their faith and couldn't comprehend your comment.

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u/Festuspapyrus 1d ago

Because most Christian’s are in it out of the fear of Hell, the hope of heaven, or the social activities. They don’t read the Bible and they absolutely don’t think.

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u/thegrandseraph 1d ago

Since when is Christianity a religion of free will. It can be boiled down to "Do what I say or I will burn you for literally eternity". And before you start I was a Christian for me any years before the Bible convinced me it was a bad idea.

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u/Woodnot 1d ago

The fuckers only believe in "free will" in as much as it can be used to force accountability (i.e., punition) on individuals for their so called "sin"...they don't actually believe in "freedom".

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u/handyregulator9861 1d ago

the picture makes it look like a secret society meeting about to vote on your soul or something

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u/CasteNoBar 1d ago

The party of big business would never cheat or manipulate.

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u/Literally_-_Hitler 1d ago

Religion is a form of forced obedience.  Do what I say or burn in hell, how is that free will?

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u/dolphone 1d ago

The old law was "obey or go to hell"

The new way was "choose love and go to heaven"

Feel free to point out that few variants actually preach that new way in practice though

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u/NerdBag 1d ago

Modern Christianity (but not Catholicism) teaches that people have free will to do as the Lord wants or not. It is implied that if you do as the Lord wants, your life will be more meaningful and fulfilling. However, to go to Heaven, all you need is faith that Jesus is Lord. Technically, no obedience necessary to go to Heaven, however those who have faith are likely to live by Christian values

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u/Literally_-_Hitler 1d ago

This is why I cant take christians seriously. You dont like the rules in the bible ao you just choose to ignore them. If you can ignore what you dont like then I can just reject it all.

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u/Aurvant 1d ago

You're still free to disobey. Just understand that you walk in to Hell of your own free will.

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u/Literally_-_Hitler 1d ago

So if I put a gun to your head and demand you give me all your money you think you are using free will when you chose to give it to me?

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u/dolphone 1d ago

You are.

Free will is still limited to what the world around you allows.

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u/Literally_-_Hitler 1d ago

You dont have free will if a threat is involved. Free will would be if there are no threats involved in your choice.

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u/miked_mv 1d ago

Your mom can explain it.

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u/scrupoo 1d ago

Christianity isn't based on free will.

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u/Frmr-drgnbyt 1d ago

Despite the claims, NO religion is based on "free will." In fact, one of any religion's explicit purpose is too oppose/eliminate free will.

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u/yogfthagen 1d ago

This assumes the MAGAts will care.

They have embraced Double-Think with a skill that would have made Orwell's head spin.

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u/tacodepollo 1d ago

If you you think they play bypass any rules or guided by any sort of noble principles or ethics, you aren't paying attention.

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u/Mark_Lorien 1d ago

"How do Liberalists use an ideology based on 'freedom rights' to force obedience by passing specific freedom definitions (aka laws)" aahhhh question.

Can't we all just agree that free will and consequences are two forking different things?

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u/FloNightengale 17h ago

Republicans are the only ones that pass laws?

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u/dekkion46 1d ago

How do Democrats force insurance and a vaccine on us?

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u/miked_mv 1d ago

The overall good for the people. Stupids like you need taking care of. Be glad we care.

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u/dekkion46 1d ago

My body, my choice?

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u/Gnfnr5813 1d ago

So you don’t think there should be laws?

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u/miked_mv 1d ago

I think all laws should protect where necessary and other than protecting someone shouldn't exist.

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u/9447044 1d ago

I think there should be lows, not laws