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u/razzazzika 3d ago
My sister in law won't vaccinate my nephew... but takes him to a chiropractor to get adjuated..... he's 3.
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u/Undeclared_Mustard 3d ago
Chiropractic on children is actual child abuse
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u/whileNotWorking 3d ago
When my kid was born, a child chiropractor was suggested when they had issues latching at first. By the god dammed lactation specialist.
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u/PixelatedGiant 3d ago
It makes me rather angry when I think about people who have serious back problems that go to the chiropractor. They temporarily alleviate some pain that makes them think the treatment works, but do damage along the way. Unless it's just muscle tension they are very likely just making things worse.
Some of the things they do actually work. But you know who can do the same things without the additional quackery that injures you? A licensed physical therapist.
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u/R3luctant 2d ago
Two crazy things to me are that there are always people you know who are reasonable in their opinions on things and you generally consider intelligent but go to chiropractors, and how when confronted with the efficacy of chiropractors they will say something like my person is different they aren't like that.
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u/Average_Scaper 3d ago
Someone at work asked me why I didn't go to the chiro when I had a nerve issue in my neck. "If I wanted to listen to a quack, I'd go visit a duck" was basically my response. Went to PT, all set. I couldn't hardly use my right arm, now I can get back in the gym....eventually lol
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u/picklesandmustard 2d ago
I hate when people are like “I love my chiro, I’ve been seeing them for 4 years for my back” it’s like, brother, if I’d been seeing my doctor for a fever for 4 years it’d be high time to find a new doctor. You don’t need to see someone for back pain for YEARS unless you have a chronic problem like scoliosis. Run of the mill back pain should get better with a good PT in a couple months.
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u/ghostarmadillo 3d ago
As long as they get a second opinion from a homeopath should be all good.
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u/Pipe_Memes 3d ago
I had the cashier at Hot Topic check my chakras, so I should be good.
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u/Scrabbleloser 3d ago
Lucky, I blew out my chakras in a freak hot yoga accident in '04
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u/DrKushnstein 3d ago
Blew mine out at a Journeys. Thank god that cashier at Hot Topic was next door.
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u/halospades 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is the first time i gave an award cuz im like oh i heard they have free ones? And the phone suddenly vibrating in celebration scared the shit out of me.
But i think this line is gonna be part of my vernacular for the rest of my life
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u/IchooseYourName 3d ago
My coworker was in a fender bender last week and messed up her neck. She went to a chiropractor on Monday. By Tuesday, she's complaining about shoulder and back issues. Then on a Zoom call asks my other coworker "I remember you know how to Crack backs and necks. Can you do that for me when I come into the office?" His immediate response was "No." I said you should probably avoid a chiropractor if you have a neck issue. She wasn't having it, just laughed it off. I looked around the room (she was only one on the team Zooming in) and everyone's eyebrows were raised. I still do not understand how successful, educated people are out here going to chiropractors to get their necks cracked! Absolutely insane
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u/Mission_Macaroon 3d ago
I work as an OT and probably 75% of my clients see a chiropractor. I just "mhm, okay".
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u/MathAndBake 2d ago
To be fair, once people are in enough pain, or encountering enough frustrating barriers, they will try anything.
I've had three corneal abrasions. Those hurt like mad, worse when you open your eyes. I saw an ophthalmologist and then spent the rest of the day taking unsafe amounts of aspirin and lying in bed with a blanket over my head. If my friend had told me that kissing newts would help, I would have been down by the creek in no time. I didn't care about anything except my eye not hurting.
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u/thefoyfoy 2d ago
You said it. You can talk to your primary about an issue, they refer to to a PT, they shrug their shoulders, eventually you see a Ortho, they say 'something's wrong, let's do an MRI' the MRI doesn't show anything, and you're still dealing with nerve pain... I don't blame someone for taking a quick solution when there desperate.
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u/Lou_C_Fer 3d ago
Apparently it feels good. I've never been. I did once dive awkwardly into a pool which caused my back to arch in a way it doesn't, and the zipper crack down my spine was one of the most satisfying sensations I've ever had.
I just had spine surgery a few months ago, but I've been dealing with the issues since 1998. I've still never contemplated going to a chiropractors.
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u/Affordable_Z_Jobs 3d ago
Their propaganda is incredible. "What does it matter, im not hurting anyone." Perpetuating the lie allows it to continue to dupe other people out of money and can cause them actual injury. Go to a doctor.
I feel like im taking crazy pills sometimes.
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u/kayodee 3d ago
My wife love chiropractors. She’s an ortho spine surgeon if that tells you anything. (Great for business)
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u/ToltecShen 2d ago
I work in healthcare and the amount of patients damaged by chiropractors is staggering. I don’t see people injured physiotherapy , osteopathy , acupuncture or massage , but chiropractors really do keep me busy .
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u/IndoorPlant27 3d ago
It does feel good. My parents were into chiropractors for a bit in my teens. It feels really satisfying for a few minutes, but the effect doesn't last. And it's definitely not worth the risk!
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u/onshisan 3d ago
The most powerful homeopathic opinion is the one you get by just driving past their office
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u/MathAndBake 2d ago
My grandmother got homeopathic sleeping pills. My dad looked up the ingredients. The "filler" was lactose. She was taking a warm glass of milk in pill form, lol. But of course, it was because of the random shit that had met that milk in college 20 years ago 🙄.
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u/suchdogeverymeme 2d ago
No, the building that used to be their office 20 tenants ago
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u/Express-Feedback 2d ago
I know a woman who is a massage therapist, homeopathic nut job mother and decided it would be better to treat her daughters with basically nothing but homeopathic remedies and massage therapy.
One kid has severe scoliosis (double S-curve) and will be debilitated for the rest of her life regardless of whether or not she has surgery, at this point. Her sister just had (very preventable) brain surgery for epilepsy. The exact condition that made her lose every memory prior to high school.
My friends mom was an absolutely lovely woman, but fell into the same trap. Stage 1 ovarian cancer, treated by "natural remedies". She is no longer here.
The charlatans need to be charged.
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u/alwayssummer90 2d ago
I have scoliosis that was bad enough to need a corrective brace but not enough for surgery. My mom took me to a chiropractor every week while I had the brace, and having my spine mobilized regularly actually help it be more flexible to the brace (the guy that designed my brace used my case as an example at some medical conference).
I was 12-15 when I had the brace. I’m 36 now and I still go to a chiropractor once a month because yea, it feels great when everything cracks. Yes, I know that continued manipulation can essentially overstimulate the joints and muscles to the point that you only get relief when you get it adjusted again. Since I started working out during covid and strengthening my muscles I find that I need the adjustments less, and I’m working on eventually not going anymore so I don’t end up with a fucked up neck like my mother (who needs neck surgery soon). But the point of my post is that sometimes, in specific situations, chiropractors can actually be helpful. Sometimes.
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u/goodfellaslxa 3d ago
I prefer the hard science. No vaccinations, because measles and polio are fake news and vaccines are how Bill Gates injects 5G circuits, radios,, antennas, and batteries into you.
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u/TyRocken 2d ago
Got blood work back, recently. All my childhood vaccines are still providing immunity. Pretty, pretty, pretty good
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u/f_ranz1224 3d ago
they should have yearly conventions. witch doctors, acupuncturists, chiros, homeopaths. they can all discuss the latest updates in multicenter double blind trials about which ghosts upset the physical energy flow the worst
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u/DepressiveNerd 3d ago
This water contains a drop of water that contains a drop of garlic water. Take one drop by dropper once a day for migraines.
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u/RoboftheNorth 3d ago
Homeopaths are quacks. You think you can cure my cancer without any crystals or sound therapy!? Get real.
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u/Schmetterlizlak 3d ago
When someone says they can cure cancer with crystals people get interested, but when I show that I can cause cancer with crystals suddenly I'M the bad guy...
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u/DepressiveNerd 3d ago
I went once. It was to get a medical marijuana card before AZ passed recreational. I lied and said I had chronic pain after a car accident. He put his hand on the back of my neck and immediately said, “Oh, yeah. I can tell it was a bad accident!”
He then began to prescribe a weekly session for two months, then to a biweekly schedule after. I said that I’d think about it and left with his signature on my weed card.
It started as a literal cult in the 1800s and involved the energies of the body, similar to medieval humors. When the guy died and his son took over, he found a way to make it profitable. By the second part of the 20th century, they had enough money to pay lobbyists to get their work covered by medical insurance.
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u/xile 3d ago
In the early 2010s my roommate wanted to visit a chiro, he was somebody who came into our tech repair store very often and they had lots of chats about his sports injuries. I came along just to see what was up, we were in our early 20s.
First they put us in a room and played a video about how chiropractic sessions are aligning your pelvic bones up towards the heavens, and how your aligned pelvis is a "mouth and conduit to which you speak with God."
Then they wouldn't let us leave the office. It was the dude and his wife. They were attempting incredible high pressure tactics, negging, shame, the whole nine yards.
Eventually we needed to be stern enough to threaten a call to 911
We left and they never returned to our store.
I won't presume that this is a normal thing for all chiropractic offices but I'm never going back to one
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u/JayWhy75 3d ago
It's incredible to me how different experiences can be. I went to a chiropractor for a bit at the behest of my primary care. I had a mild dislocation of my hip. The chiropractor I went to said he refuses to just "crack" willy nilly, and would only follow exactly what my primary care said was the issue and request. He helped set my hip back and got me doing physical therapy so I could avoid a surgery basically, and said he'd only do any "adjustments" if something went wrong in PT and my hip popped back out and then he'd adjust my therapy to accommodate where I was at. Nowadays my hip is perfectly fine, I avoided surgery, and I think he only did any chiropractic to me (fixing the hip) like twice (the initial and then one time during PT it slipped early on and he figured me out from there).
Essentially, yeah most of these guys are quacks. Not everyone though. I wouldn't exactly risk it anyway, but just throwing out there how interesting it is to me how just like most things there's good and bad.
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u/Schmigolo 3d ago
So your chiropractor uses the name for marketing but only does orthopedics. Some might say he's trying to help the ones who wouldn't go to an orthopedic, others might say he's helping legitimize the quacks.
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u/DoomsdaySprocket 3d ago
Sounds like your guy would have been a good physiotherapist instead of a chiropractor.
A couple of people I’ve worked with swear by theirs, but when I start asking about what treatments they were actually doing that were helping, it was never actually chiropractic. It was something else like PT, RMT, etc. The one time I was referred to one, it was for laser therapy, which worked well, because that’s a real, evidence-based therapy.
It’s a very weird dynamic to be honest. Maybe they want to dip their toes in a whole bunch of different treatment categories and a chiropractor label is the only one that lets them practically do that?
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u/CitizenPremier 3d ago
Some chiropractors are basically trying to follow real medicine... So, like, the best chiropractors can get is as good as regular medicine. So maybe just go to a real doctor instead.
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u/Roraxn 3d ago
Any chiropractor that wants to appear professional will have basic understanding of orthopedics and physical therapy techniques. But anyone who takes sports therapy or physical self care seriously will have that same knowledge.
There are a lot of anecdotes in this thread of people saying "yeah well it worked for me!" And then they go on to describe those basic therapeutic techniques.
And thats fine honestly, they just got advice from a knowledgeable human about their issue and the advice worked.
They did NOT succeed BECAUSE they were a chiropractor.
What OP is describing in the meme is that he doesn't trust people who visit the chiropractor, brackets (BECAUSE they are a chiropractor)
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u/pblol 3d ago
My buddy that was heavily into gymnastics in high-school swore by his. He was however, constantly fucking up his body and I'm sure it was nice to have things "cracked" in the same way that a massage is nice. I would personally never go to one unless it was recommended by someone like a PT for something supplemental.
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u/DepressiveNerd 3d ago
I mean, it was over a decade ago. I’m sure I could tele-health it now. I was thinking about getting a med card again. The tax is so high here for recreational and so low for medical, the card pays for itself in the long run.
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u/angrycrank 3d ago
In BC back in the day they handed me a checklist with an extensive list of conditions and I just had to pick one. I think I said i had restless legs or ennui or something.
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u/No_Criticism_5861 3d ago
"Drs" lol. What a joke. A drunk Canadian guy had a ghost teach him how to manipulate peoples spines. Thats seriously the origin of chiropractic medicine
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u/IceManXCometh 3d ago
It is baffling how many people are here defending it.
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u/Gorstag 3d ago
It really isn't. With as many people that have went there are going to be some percentage where what ever they did actually was by happenstance helpful.
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u/No_Criticism_5861 3d ago
Agreed. Theres a video that was in popular on here that showed a chiropractor treating a baby, and its like the chiropractors hired people to defend them, bizarre
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u/Decorus_Somes 3d ago
I always find it funny that billboard/ambulance chasing lawyers always know the perfect chiropractor to help you after a car accident. Such a grift.
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u/echtav 3d ago
I’m convinced the entire profession was created by lawyers
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u/RedditFact-Checker 3d ago
It was a ghost.
Palmer, the founder of chiropractics, received the information from a ghost named “Dr. Jim Atkinson” and considered his practice a “moral obligation and religious duty”.
Always been a scam.
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u/lononol 2d ago
Er, no. Any ethical lawyer with even basic knowledge of med-mal will tell you to stay away from chiropractors, because they recognize that people who couldn’t even make it into medical school become chiropractors.
Everyone hates lawyers until they need one. Or, funnier, they think they know enough to represent themselves in court.
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u/Knineteen 3d ago
I don’t understand that logic. If chiropractic medicine isn’t based on scientific evidence, isn’t it pretty easy to refute its medical usage in court?
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u/Disorderjunkie 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ya it kind of doesn't make sense that a quack career requires 8 years of training and a license to operate and your practice can be used in legal proceedings as evidence of medical care.
In my opinion all this shit should be legal and if you want to go get your back cracked by Dr Bones then go do it. But the government should not respect it, license it, anything. Should be like going to a fortune teller.
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u/NovaNardis 3d ago
Most of the treatment people get at a chiropractors office is physical therapy, not actual chiropractic.
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u/bigsexy12 3d ago
What are you basing that on? I've reviewed chiro records for 16 years and always see shit like "manual adjustments" and "trigger point gun" as the main treatments. Even my own personal experiences going to two different ones before I knew better was nothing like physical therapy.
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u/howmanyMFtimes 3d ago
Yeah physically therapists are pretty highly trained. It’s quite a bit of school, and they are a part of the medical profession, unlike chiropractors.
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u/mutantbabysnort 3d ago
True story: The person who discovered chiropractic medicine said he was told how to do it by a ghost from the civil war era
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u/zachrywd 3d ago
It'd be more accurate to say he believed ghosts lived in your spine and needed to be exorcized out.
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u/KrakatauGreen 2d ago
LOL@ "Discovered" chiropractic like it was a hidden treasure on an adventure quest, my guy what he did was make that shit up.
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u/BiggKatt 3d ago
As a physical therapist for 15 years… they’re quacks. Their branch of “medicine” originated during the time of blood letting and leech therapy to cure ailments. Pain relief from a chiropractic manipulation lasts between 6 mins and 12 hours depending on if it’s a science backed vs chiropractic funded research study.
The proposed adverse risk of cervical manipulation is 1/6 million. I’ve personally met 7 people with life-changing effects from chiro manipulations. And, I doubt I know 6 million people… 2 threw carotid clots after a manip and had major strokes for mis-diagnosed neck pain. One guy was a jacked corrections officer who went to a chiro for neck pain and ended up with a flaccid left arm. Took him 6 months before he could do a push up again. And, a girl I went to grad school with got a cervical manipulation, and never played soccer again.
The risk is real. Don’t let them crank on your neck. Low back is safer, but you’re paying for 6 mins-12 hours of relief, if they do it right…
Not a bot.
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u/ONEelectric720 3d ago
Real, respectful question.
Chiro adjustments are a VERY short term solution for my pain that works for a day, between saving to pay quadruple the cost for physical therapy.
Assuming they don't permanently injure me, which is a real risk, am I wrong for going because it genuinely, non-placibically makes my pain temporarily better?
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u/Historical_Course587 3d ago
It's an odd set of factors that would lead to the chiro being a good value proposition:
- For the cost, it's cheaper to use NSAIDs.
- In most circumstances, NSAIDs will be safer.
- The root cause of the pain is left untreated.
- Self-education can lead to health and fitness routines that prevent issues in the future while chiropractic doesn't.
Chiropractic is in the same tier as drinking or smoking weed for pain management, and I'd wager in some cases weed is probably the better choice.
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u/onefouronefivenine2 3d ago
Try a massage therapist, it's half the price
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u/ONEelectric720 3d ago
I do that as well. Not a doctor, but they relieve different pain for me. Massages relieve muscular pain, adjustments relieve joint pain. I can get one or the other (and days with both are best....massage first to relax the muscles), but if one kind of pain is more irritating that day, the opposite treatment won't resolve it.
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u/auth0r_unkn0wn 3d ago
Op, no bullshit, I had a friend/roommate who had a best friend who was a chiropractor. Anytime he'd visit, friends of ours would ask him for realignments or whatever the hell they do. I didn't want to be one of those people, so I waited months and months until I got to know the guy before eventually asking him to work on my back (I have spondylolithesis, L5-S1)
When he didn't produce not one crack from my back, he said, "You need to go see a real doctor"
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u/hairydiablo132 3d ago
My dad SWORE his chrio was amazing, saw him every week. He was talking to me about it and I had had enough.
I said, 'So you've been seeing this "doctor" every week for 4 years, and your back isn't any better? If I was paying a guy to fix a problem and I still had it 4 years later, I'd be pissed.'
That finally woke him up and he went and saw a real back doctor 2 months later, he is fine, pain free. Wish he'd listen to me about his politics... One battle at a time
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u/GregLoire 3d ago
Honestly the most surprising thing about this story to me is that the real doctor was even able to fix the back pain.
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u/BeerBrat 3d ago
Was at a NHL game and they announced after the game we could stay and watch a college team match up between the local chiropractic school and the commuter school for folks that didn't get into the state school the first time but might after a few semesters there. I immediately dubbed it The Slacks vs The Quacks.
I know plenty of folks associated with the chiro school. I don't take any of them seriously. The wife of a student there told a group of us about having her therapist help her process the trauma of one of her previous incarnations, a tribal member somewhere from at least seven lives ago.
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u/mrschuesterfromglee 3d ago
My mom took me to the chiropractor starting at the age of 1 until I was 18. I now have severe scoliosis due to it being left untreated because my mom listened to chiropractors. I’m in my 30’s now and am having to do weekly PT and will eventually need spine surgery. They’re all quacks
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u/itsucksherefuckitall 2d ago
I have scoliosis, found out in 5th grade. In 6th is when I learned chiropractors claim they can 'cure' scoliosis....or they did at that time. That's when I learned that their frauds.
I've never been to one and I always tell people it's a scam.
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u/king-of-all-corn 2d ago
My mom's chiropractor tells her vaccines are bad and colloidal silver is good
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u/Annual_Promotion 2d ago
Get your surgery as soon as you can. I am 52 with scoliosis and it’s too late for me to get any sort of surgery. So do it now if you can and it’s needed.
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u/black-mario-bro 2d ago
I’m confused. You went from 1 to 18, and they kept cracking your bones or did not crack your bones (I simplified it cause I don’t know how to word it)?
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u/mrschuesterfromglee 2d ago
They always cracked my bones. They told my mom they could fix my scoliosis through the cracking. Obviously it didn’t, I have no way to say if it made it worse, but early intervention for scoliosis is super important because kids bones are still shifting and growing. But the best intervention are back braces to straighten, not weekly manipulation of the spine.
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u/Roraxn 3d ago
Any chiropractor that wants to appear professional will have basic understanding of orthopedics and physical therapy techniques. But anyone who takes sports therapy or physical self care seriously will have that same knowledge.
There are a lot of anecdotes in this thread of people saying "yeah well it worked for me!" And then they go on to describe those basic therapeutic techniques.
And thats fine honestly, they just got advice from a knowledgeable human about their issue and the advice worked.
They did NOT succeed BECAUSE they were a chiropractor.
What OP is describing in the meme is that he doesn't trust people who visit the chiropractor, brackets (BECAUSE they are a chiropractor)
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u/DigNitty 2d ago
The thing that gets people to trust chiropractors is that most of what they do is really really obvious and therefore works.
Stretching and massaging someone will make them feel better.
The minority of what they do is the dangerous stuff you don’t want to stick around for.
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u/raise-your-weapon 3d ago
My sister’s childhood friend took her literally six month old baby to a chiropractor. Like what the fuck
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u/BiddlyBongBong 2d ago
That's like taking a brand new car for an oil change, but also the car is electric.
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u/Competitive_Ad_5918 3d ago
Had an ER nurse tell me they would more than occasionally see chiropractic patients at the ER from getting their neck stretched or cracked said she'd see people in their 20s and 30s coming in with stroke symptoms.
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u/RakeattheGates 3d ago
Chiro is a tier 1 dumb person trap. Tier 2 is like essential oils and so on.
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u/Dont_ban_me_bro_108 3d ago
Tier 3 is RFK and MAHA
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u/RakeattheGates 3d ago
Yeah and reiki and "matrix repatterning" and all that shit.
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u/faceplant34 3d ago
Chiropractors in Australia ARE Physiotherapists. It's the American ones that are quacks.
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u/SomethingInAirwaves 2d ago
Yup. Same with chiropractors in Canada. You have to be licensed and practice within the college's guidelines.
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u/a_shootin_star 3d ago
Meanwhile in Australia we even have a "Chiropractic Board of Australia" and it's a nationally regulated healthcare profession overseen by the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency
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u/MyBenchIsYourCurl 3d ago
Yeahhh I still wouldn't go to one ever, and actively advise people against it. I'm in medicine in Australia and the amount of vertebral artery dissections I've seen from chiropractors is well over a dozen
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u/Suspicious_Pen_2601 2d ago
For public safety they had to regulate it. It doesn’t legitimise it as a medical profession. It’s a scam, no discussion.
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u/masiuspt 2d ago
So many complaints about chiropractors yet I never see anyone complaining about "coaches".. Those scammers deserve to be made fun of too.
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u/LaPewPew-- 2d ago
I mean, a life coach likely isn't going to accidentally give you a stroke or herniate a disc but I agree.
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u/Wjreky 1d ago
I used to feel this way. But I went to a Chiro and she works with a physical therapist who gave me exercises and stretches to work on. My chiro said "the end goal is for me to get better and not have to come back."
I love her.
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u/AGooDone 3d ago
But massage is awesome.
They're in the same business, but one of them makes a difference
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u/Vanish_7 3d ago
My massage therapist has helped my quality of life SO much.
Seeing her tomorrow — can’t wait.
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u/100292 3d ago
Massage therapists don’t claim to be doctors. They don’t claim to heal anything more than sore muscles. They don’t make shit up and convince people to buy they pseudoscience bullshit
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u/Spread_Liberally 3d ago edited 13h ago
They've also never received instruction from ghosts, so are massage therapists really that helpful?
/s obvs
Chiropractors are quacks preying on the gullible.
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u/traws06 3d ago
Yup muscles are what actually supports everything. Tight muscles is what causes issues
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u/Shadow_Integration 3d ago
And tight fascia, which is a criminally underrated (and piezoelectric!) tissue group.
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u/SmackEh 3d ago
I mean worst case scenario, at least a massage gets you valuable human contact.
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u/themrmu 3d ago
I hate a quack as much as thw next guy but a proper chiro thats does physical therapy and massage for musculoskeletal issues is not the same as a guy cracking your back to cure your colon cancer. But the problem is too many of these guys are in it for the scam not for the long process of physical therapy.
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u/drewmana 3d ago
So what you’re looking for is a physical therapist and a massage therapist lol
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u/howmanyMFtimes 3d ago
Exactly. Those things have actual medical licensing, while chiropractors do not. Doctors hate chiropractors, it’s fake “science”
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u/DetroitTigerCats 3d ago
“Proper chiropractors that do something that others are actually trained to do is not the same”
Why not just go to a physical therapist and licenses masseuse, instead of a guy trying to do both while not trained to do it?
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u/azureal 3d ago
Then they need to be able to differentiate themselves from the cult witchdoctorery that the general person associates with chiropractors.
If you’re calling yourself a chiropractor but you’re a physiotherapist, that’s a problem you need to get sorted.
There’s no such thing as a “proper chiro”.
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u/MoonRazer 3d ago
But the problem is too many of these guys are in it for the scam not for the long process of physical therapy.
No, the problem is the lack of meaningful regulation in the chiropractic field. If the guy claiming to cure your cancer by cracking your back is licensed by the same group that licenses the ones you're advocating for, then what's the point of the license in the first place?
Granted, if the regulatory organizations admit that there's no evidence to support chiropractic care curing cancer, then they risk their whole house of cards collapsing because there's no evidence to support chiropractic care as a treatment for anything.
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u/handsupdb 3d ago
That's not a "proper chiro" then. That's a physical therapist who dabbles in bullshit.
How about you just go to one that doesn't?
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u/benji_indy 3d ago
That’s because chiropractors are not physical therapists and do not get training in physical therapy. They should not be providing PT services, and frankly, if there’s PTs to provide PT, what do we need Chiros for?
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u/theamazonswordsman 3d ago
There's no such thing as a "proper chiro".
Just go to a physical therapist or masseuse who's actually trained in what they're doing and not at risk of permanently injuring yoy.
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u/Cheefnuggs 3d ago
Physical therapists and chiropractors are not the same thing. I’ve done years of physical therapy following sports injuries and would never see a chiropractor because they’re snake oil salesmen.
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u/pro185 3d ago
Yeah I had back pain for years and years and I started going to a chiro that did a lot of deep stretching, decompression, physical therapy, and massage work. After about 4 months I was pain free for the first time since I was like 14 years old. I haven’t been back to one since then and haven’t had any lower back pain for a decade. There are plenty of quacks that will stick crystals on you and shit, but the idea of muscle care and decompression is very real and very based in clinical medicine.
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u/theREALbombedrumbum 3d ago
YES, fucking thank you for testifying on that. Disabled people should be able to get relief however they need to without Redditors telling them they're wrong.
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u/TheLastOpus 3d ago
You are not describing a chiropractor, you are describing a physical therapist and a therapeutic massuese.
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u/Squeakyklean14 3d ago
I saw someone say something like this once; The best chiropractor in the world will do what a good physical therapist is capable of, and the worst chiropractor will kill you. Not worth it to go to a quack whose industry was invented by a ghost vs a literal doctor.
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u/Dark_Foggy_Evenings 3d ago
Ditto people who consult homeopaths….reiki ‘masters’…sound therapists…crystal healers…Gillian McKeith…
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u/expectusexcavatum 2d ago
It's pseudo-science, although I've had legit physical therapists, primary care doctors, and even my orthopedic surgeon recommend trying chiropractic or acupuncture, to my surprise. This is in a world class healthcare network fwiw.
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u/StrLord_Who 2d ago
Acupuncture has been studied and tested in the west for decades now. It is effective.
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u/Reneeisme 3d ago
Chiropractors are only a notch above used car salesmen in my book and you are crazy to let someone body your spine that way, but I’ve known at least a dozen people who got real relief from one. It’s not crazy to want to be free from back/joint/hip/sciatica pain that’s severe and doesn’t respond to other treatments. I feel sorry for people for whom letting someone do that to you is better than the alternative.
And when they can help with something an actual doctor can’t, do you really blame people for trusting them?
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u/whatswithnames 3d ago
Chronic pain person... went to a chiropractor who literally said he could cure cancer,,, just had to make visits daily for months, Just "Noped" right out of there,
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u/DistinctlyIrish 3d ago
Yo dude I just like the feeling of getting all my shit cracked I'm not acting like it'll cure me of anything other than the desire to crack my back and neck.
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u/Ashrewishjewish 2d ago
I mean if this is your litmus test for whose opinion you value, then I don’t value your opinions at all.
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u/Carpecarpenter 3d ago
I had a boss who took covid advice from their chiropractor. I don't think she ever got vaccinated. Kinda glad they're not my boss anymore.
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u/LCHA 2d ago
I hurt my back a while ago, and I was desperate for relief, so I saw a chiropractor, which are considered doctors in canada (ontario specifically). It helped to give relief. But I didn't get my back cracked, it was more of soft tissue work.
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u/purpleskunk87 2d ago
The same for me. Mine doesn't crack, and doesn't believe it in. He basically breaks up knots better than any massage therapist, and gives me exercises to strengthen.
I was very anti Chiropractic care before him.
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u/tolacid 3d ago
I was forced to visit a chiropractor by the military, and only after that made things worse did they grant an increase in my disability rating
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u/beeradvice 3d ago
It's definitely a bias due to my line of work but I've never worked a weekday opening bar shift that didn't include a chiropractor regular who would pound as many of the highest abv drinks on the menu as they could on their lunch break before going back to work. My main advice is don't trust chiropractors my second main advice on the matter is if you're desperate enough to go to one, schedule your appointment before lunch.
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u/Traxion165 3d ago
Lol. This caught me off-guard. I've always had this feeling, but I've never put words to it. Thank you.
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u/glass-2x-needed-size 2d ago
I'll get down voted, but I do believe there are honest chiropractors that help, however they are the minority.
Back problems are hereditary for me. My current and past family doctor (both MD) have recommended the combination of chiropractors and physio therapists, but also warned me of one's that are scam artists. The first chiropractor I went to was one of those quacks.
I took some years between without going until I found a reputable chiropractor who is very blunt with his limitations and will be the first to say when something is beyond his domain. But I will say, when I'm rehabilitating - my appointments with him increase my mobility much quicker than without. He also is not a "crack crack" chiropractor who just jerks you around, it's more like my physio appointments, but I find them more targeted.
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u/magels81 2d ago
I’ll get down voted but I use to go to a chiropractor for years for back pain. I didn’t end up all messed up.
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u/Reebekili 2d ago
Same and still do. Been going off and on for pinched nerves or other issues for 40+ years and no issues. Can I wait them out, sure but I found using a chiro speeds it up. Now some of what they claim is crap, but it helps me a ton for occasional back pain.
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u/Razor1834 3d ago
That’s fair; I get what literally everyone says about them. It isn’t based on science, people get paralyzed, it’s all nonsense. I get it and don’t have any real argument, except for my personal experience:
When I was in middle school I had migraine headaches for about a year. I was prescribed pain meds, would throw up from the pain constantly, etc. Doctors told my parents I was making it up, and got me the dog I always wanted to see if that helped (it didn’t, surprise). I saw a neurologist who told us all I was faking it until I threw up in his office. I had a spinal tap which was inconclusive. I was scheduled for exploratory surgery (so just like cut me open and look around). We tried a chiropractor and my pain alleviated almost immediately and was mostly gone in a couple weeks. I still get migraines occasionally and going to a chiropractor seems to help. If it’s a placebo it’s been a hell of one for me and changed my life.
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u/narfoleptix 2d ago
I had a raw milk drinking, ivermectin swallowing, person always in pain tell me chiropractors are the BEST!
I eventually quit working at that gas station.
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u/Paddy0furniture 3d ago
I have a co-worker who takes her entire family to get adjusted every week, including their 1 year old.
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u/noonesperfect16 3d ago
My chiropractor was also a licensed physical therapist. I am prone to pinched nerves in my neck and back. I can either stay home and suffer for several weeks, go to a normal Dr and get stupid pain killlers I don't want to take, or go to my chiropractor and come back out feeling great. No joke. Mixture of an industrial TENS, something he does with these little patches that have needles on them, and stretches. He never failed me. Then I bought a little portable TENS for home and I use it when I feel them coming on and I haven't had to go back lol. Regardless, the guy was definitely good at his job! He also helped my posture a lot. They aren't all quacks.
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u/MoonRazer 3d ago
If your chiropractor is also a board-certified physical therapist, then it sounds like they're a real doctor that added 'chiropractor' to their name as a net to catch the nuts that only believe in alternative medicine.
Also, for the record, it's not a choice of "go to a normal Dr and get stupid pain killlers" or "chiropractor". It's a choice of "Physical Therapist" or "chiropractor". Given that your chiropractor is a licensed physical therapist, I'd say their net worked and it got you the care and treatment you really needed.
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u/toin9898 3d ago
I get why people like chiropractors, cracking your back feels awesome.
I do hurt if I haven't cracked my lower back/hips in a while. Like hell I'm gonna pay someone to do it for me or yank on my neck tho.
Just lay on the floor and twist around until you get something, it's much safer than having someone apply abrupt force to your SPINE!!!
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u/pancakecel 3d ago
The way that they pray on Spanish speaking immigrant communities that don't understand that they're not doctors is crazy
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u/trollsalot1234 3d ago
My sister eventually gave up on chiropractors and went to a witch doctor who told her it's not gluten; she just eats too much pork. Anyway other than the fact that she can barely move shes fine now.
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u/Obatala_ 2d ago
Reddit appears weirdly obsessed with chiropractic & also entirely uninterested in the science.
Yes, a good chiropractor can help with certain issues. Yes, there are scammy chiropractors.
Most of us who don't hate chiropractors have a positive story or two from personal experience.
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u/Capable-Tangelo-8089 2d ago
Do you believe any and all ailments can be cured by manipulating the spine?
The founder of Chiropractics believed the knowledge was given to him by ghosts, and he was against vaccines.
See a physiotherapist, they have science to back them up. If you want voodoo and magnetic healing and a much higher likelihood of spinal fractures, by all means continue to see a chiropractor.
It's pseudoscience and it's BS. It helps just as many people as praying does.
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u/bw2550 2d ago
And medical doctors were blood letting and literally blowing tobacco smoke up people’s asses in the 1800’s. Most disciplines have departed from the bogus beliefs of their founders.
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u/Knineteen 3d ago
My MD ortho surgeon actually sent me to their in-house chiropractor. Was very surprised by that.
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u/SickViking 3d ago
I needed to go to one during physical therapy. God he worked wonders. Bad knee had me walking wrong which kept throwing out my back. He was an actual chiropractor, not some snake oil salesman who claimed chiropractics cured everything from tooth aches to cancer like others I've been to. He was just "favoring this leg is making your hips uneven which is messing up your spine. This will help with pain, but you might need surgery." Then did an x-ray of my knee, said "okay, that doesn't look right, why does your kneecap keep dislocating, have they done an MRI yet? They need to do an MRI, yesterday." And helped push the dr.s for an MRI where I found out I had tears in my ACL, MCL, and my LCL was stretched out.
Dude though, the fucking back pain relief he gave me was a fucking godsend. It also helped take pressure off my good knee, but he was always clear that he couldn't cure anything and that pain would just keep coming back unless the knee was fixed and pressured me to keep up with PT. He didn't want long term patients.
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u/FroggiJoy87 3d ago
When my shitty doctor wouldn't do anything other than throw drugs at me, I went to a chiropractor for sciatica that was killing me. Saw him 5 times in 2013 @ $35/session and been fine ever sence 🤷 Do what you will with that, but I'm happy.
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u/the3rdtea2 3d ago
I get it ... But it did hold off my dad's back surgery for ten years so.... It's not entirely nothing.
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u/reece1990 3d ago
How did you come to the conclusion that the chiropractor is what kept your dad from needing surgery sooner?
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u/Duane_ 3d ago
My mom took me to one as a kid. The guy 'popped my back' and I heard a crack below me. I reached down and felt around while my mom went "oooh!" like she just saw a miracle.
Nah.
His table was rigged to make a cracking noise by breaking a piece of fucking pasta under a springboard.
I held it up in front of my mom and said "Spaghetti!" and she tried to fistfight the guy. She was PISSED lmao.
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u/Izriel 3d ago
I went to a chiropractor a few times, it made me feel better dor a few days then had to go back....then I changed insurance and they sent me to a physical therapist and my pain went away.