Let's talk about Harry Potter

[u/AMVilla86]

… and other problematic IP

Hi folks,

We need your input. The mods have been discussing for a bit now about crafts with complicated Intellectual Property creators. Occasionally a craft will receive reports due to the theme of the craft and not about crafting itself. While we try to be as open-minded as possible, and we follow sitewide rules (such as no hate speech targeting identity or vulnerability, etc), there is still some nuance with moderating these types of posts. These posts have raised many questions, but we realized we needed to ask the community what they thought. If the community is uncomfortable with something, we want to know and be sure to moderate appropriately.

Some of the ideas we had so far, and why they would be tough to implement:

- Ban specific IP→ Where do we draw the line of what is and isn’t allowed?

- Create specific flair for ‘problematic’ → again, where is the line drawn?

- When a post receives enough reports about the theme and not the craft, leave a high-level moderator comment explaining how to block a user and/or hide a post → might be ignoring a problem rather than solving the issue for the sub.

With that being said, there’s only so much we can police. We want crafters to feel welcome, but with all the moderating we do, it would be hard to add on a layer of “educate a crafter on why the creator of this IP is bad” on top of our normal roles. We also don’t want our subreddit to become a lightning rod for debate. Ultimately, we are a crafts subreddit. While a few comments about inspiration of a craft is allowed, and questioning of said inspiration is also welcome, once we're many comments deep in multiple comment threads with no mention of crafting, it is no longer an appropriate conversation for r/crafts. There are many other subreddits for discussion and debate where you can converse.

So, what do you all think we should do with these types of posts? If we receive a large variety of ideas, we'll put it together in a survey or poll to further gauge how the subreddit feels. Also, feel free to message the mods if you're uncomfortable commenting on the post.

[u/AssortedArctic]

Also the money paid to Disney isn't going directly into supporting nazi shit

[u/bakasama12 → u/AssortedArctic]

Unfortunately it is though, Disney is supporting zionism which is the nazi shit of our time

[u/CheshireRaptor → u/bakasama12]

There are two factual/rhetorical problems worth separating.

Disney did announce $2 million in humanitarian assistance after October 7: $1 million went to Magen David Adom, Israel's emergency medical/blood service and an affiliate of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies; another $1 million went to other nonprofits working in the region, particularly organizations helping children. People can absolutely criticize Disney's relationship with Israel or characterize the company as supporting Zionism. But describing that as Disney funding “the Nazi shit of our time” is an ideological assertion, not a factual description of where that money went.

And I think this exchange perfectly demonstrates the problem with trying to moderate crafts based on whether an IP is considered "problematic."

We started with whether Harry Potter crafts belong in r/crafts, moved to whether Walt Disney supported Nazis, and have now arrived at whether Zionism is comparable to Nazism.

None of this has anything to do with crafting anymore.

People are going to have very different political, ethical and historical views about creators and companies. Trying to determine which of those views should decide whether someone is allowed to post a quilt, painting, crochet project or bedazzled DVD seems like an impossible—and frankly unnecessary—job to give the moderators of a crafts subreddit.

[u/AssortedArctic → u/bakasama12]

Those are some crazy wild leaps there

[u/bakasama12 → u/AssortedArctic]

It's true. Check out the no thanks app. Disney is on the boycott list

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