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Better Call Saul S02E10 - [Season 2 Finale] "Klick" - POST-Episode Discussion Thread

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

What pisses me off is that the plan relied on his brother's selfless love. I get that what Jimmy did was fucking terrible--- but if your revenge plot relies on the person you want to fuck over loving you so much that they would rather take a proverbial bullet than see you suffer --- you really have to question why you'd want to hurt with a person like that in the first place.

Chuck and Jimmy have had so many moments in two seasons where they could get along and be happy together but Chuck won't accept it. Jimmy is a scumbag but god damn he is trying to go straight and all he needs is encouragement and backing instead of constant sabotage. He's no angel, but these actions are making him a devil.

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u/TheBlackSpank Apr 19 '16

You nailed it. Jimmy did a terrible thing, but all this nonsense started when Chuck shut Jimmy down when he tried to get hired by HHM and it just escalated from there. Since Jimmy moved to New Mexico, all he's tried to do was make his brother proud. Chuck is the one that brings the Slippin' Jimmy persona out of his brother now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

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u/Chairmeow Apr 20 '16

Foreshadowed by him lying to Jimmy about their mother's last words. Who does that to a sibling? Chuck has a very long and deepseated antipathy towards Jimmy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

All of this just shows what a terrible person Chuck is. I had no idea he was this bad until now. Trying to keep Jimmy out of law was pretty fucking bad, but now he's downright evil.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16

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u/DarkSere Nov 06 '22

the moment Chuck went to the shed, I had suspicions he was up to something, but when he said that, I realized that there has to be a recorder.

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u/thantheman Apr 20 '16

Being right, both factually and legally, is a core component of who Chuck is. He can't just let Jimmy get away with a crime, it's not who he is.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '25

Then how come he is so wrong so often?

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u/thantheman Aug 22 '25

Are you aware you responded to a 9 year old comment?

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u/TheLordOfTheDawn Aug 29 '25

Whoa I'm here too!

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u/k-to-the-o Sep 11 '25

Hey, me too! Watching for the first time

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u/haruame Apr 20 '16

l

except being committed is exactly what Chuck needs...

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u/mark1nhu Apr 21 '16

It broke my heart because I honestly thought Chuck was going to let the whole thing go after he got let out of the hospital.

I was expecting Chuck retiring and asking Jimmy to not use the McGill name in exchange for a break on their "war".

Unfortunately he is way smarter than I thought.

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u/spearmint_wino Apr 19 '16

Don't forget Chuck blames Jimmy for the downfall of their father. And he was probably pretty gutted by their mother calling out for Jimmy just before she passed away...Not standing up for him mind you, Chuck's a right miserable old git.

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u/TheBlackSpank Apr 19 '16

Oh yeah, I still felt terrible for him. He's the loyal one but Jimmy is always the favorite. It's no excuse for him to try and ruin Jimmy now, but I understand a lot of that resentment.

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u/doesanyonehaveweed Sep 18 '22

I have just started season 3, like middle of the first episode of season 3. So I don’t know if this is brought back up later on. But, was that flashback to teenage Jimmy at the store (when he tried to call out that grifter to his dad) meant to show that Jimmy didn’t actually embezzle funds? Because it showed his dad opening up the cash register and taking out bills to hand over to a customer.

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u/Slongerslayer Jan 15 '23

Its then Jimmy learned to be slippy and be a woøf, rather than be a sheep and get exploited like his father

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u/huhwhome Apr 19 '16

Exactly. That trick Chuck pulled is evil. Most of the tricks Jimmy pulled cheated dishonest people...the scams in the bar with his friend, for instance. He was always on the up and up for his elderly clients, although he used questionable (legal, not moral) tactics to help them. He thought his brother did an immoral (not illegal) thing by taking the business away from Kim...and although he did a crappy thing to his brother to make it right by Kim, it is despicable that Chuck used his brother's love against him. His lawfirm had plenty of other business. I bet the Slippin' Jimmy persona came about because Chuck tried to undercut his brother his whole life.

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u/nobahdi Apr 19 '16

Plus the opening scene where Chuck withheld that their dying mother's last thoughts were of Jimmy.

Jimmy is always trying to get away with something but his actions generally seem to have purpose as you've pointed out but when Chuck is presented with an opportunity where no one will ever know the truth he acts in a cruel, heartless way born out of pure jealously.

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u/huhwhome Apr 20 '16

Hm..funny how you nailed the one aspect of the opening scene I"m still mulling over. Chuck withheld that their dying mother's last thoughts were of Jimmy. I'm unsure if that was an act of malice or an act of love. After all, Jimmy might have been distraught that he missed that his mom's last words were about him, no?

I wasn't able to be at my husband's bedside when he died. I had an opportunity to ask the caregivers about any last words and I chose not to know....because if he had asked for me and I wasn't there my guilt would be unbearable. (It's still pretty damned bad.)

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '16

I took the withholding of the mothers last words to be something of love rather than resentment. Jimmy would have been destroyed should he have learned that he wasn't there for his mother when she was calling for him. I will admit that it can go both ways for that though, dislike vs. love

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u/apathetic_lemur Apr 20 '16

he should have called him or had him paged then in case he was still in the building

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u/brownbear8714 Jan 27 '22

Exactly. And he still said no. Then doesn’t tell Jimmy about her dying words. Did it out of envy/jealousy.

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u/JevvyMedia Aug 06 '22

I took the withholding of the mothers last words to be something of love rather than resentment. Ji

It was definitely resentment because he wouldn't even let the nurse call Jimmy to tell him their mother died. Jimmy took his time and he never even saw his Mother before she was carted away, he had to walk into an empty hospital room. That's the worse way of finding out. It was pure spite. In fact you can see Chuck stop mourning instantly once the mother said her last words then died.

This is my first watch of the series, binging the whole thing. No spoilers, I just think it was spite.

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u/cjpack Sep 20 '22

Hey fellow time time traveler. Yah I definitely think it was spite too, didn’t even have to ponder that

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u/JevvyMedia Sep 20 '22

I'm finished the series now so I won't drop any spoilers, but it feels like anyone who's watching in literally any context can see that it's pure spite.

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u/MrInternetDetective Apr 19 '16

Interesting, I feel like the writers were trying (and maybe still are) comparing and contrasting the two brothers exactly how you explain it between legality and morality. Jimmy is the bad guy, not because what he does is inherently wrong but because it is against the law. He plays people. He caters to your emotions more because even though he is bad he does things with mostly good intentions. Chuck is the perceived good guy tho, not because what he does is inherently right, but because it is legal. He follows the rules but does very questionable things.

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u/Kerrigore Apr 19 '16

Chaotic Good vs Lawful Evil.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

Naw man I think you are on the right track but, this all started when he didn't tell Jimmy what his mom said. That scene painted the picture quite clear; Jimmy genuinely cares about the people around him, he doesn't want to abandon his brother lie he did his mother. Chuck is envious that his mother was asking for Jimmy, in fact, we could infer that Jimmy was the 'favourie' son in Chuck's eyes, and though his mother favoured Jimmy, even though Chuck knows how his brother is always on the shady side of things. Chuck's jealous because his mother called for Jimmy, he is greedy for her love and envious that Jimmy, in Chuck's perception, got more. I think he could be downright nasty next season. Jimmy, finding out that Chuck hid what mom said from him all these years, he might feel betrayed, angry and might even be spiteful. Saul Goodman is the Phoenix that rises from both McGills legal careers. All that lawyering we have been waiting to see... all of that courtroom drama... I predict we will get our fill next season. Holy Fuck.

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u/Naly_D Apr 19 '16

Jimmy made his mother laugh

Chuck made his mother proud

Both want to be able to do what the other can

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

Damn well said

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16

On the topic of brothers/in-law, this made me think of Hank and perhaps He will make an appearance next season in relation to Chuck. Or maybe not.

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u/oceeta Sep 16 '22

The person that made the comment you replied to has long since deleted their account, but I agree with the two of you completely. While his brother is no saint by any means, Chuck is basically, in my opinion, an enabler for Slippin' Jimmy.

I'm guessing that Chuck is jealous of how well Jimmy can relate with just about anybody, and sees his own ability as a smart-ass lawyer as a chip on his shoulder. The fact that Jimmy looks up to him is okay by Chuck, as long as he never gets to his level. Whenever Jimmy slips up, Chuck berates him and tells him about how he can never change. Instead of trying to help Jimmy correct his mistakes, Chuck makes his brother believe that he can never amount to anything better than Slippin' Jimmy. Jimmy has tried his best to change and Chuck just spits all over his hard work. Chuck would rather keep the status quo than see his brother succeed, as he probably feels he'd be eclipsed by Jimmy's accomplishments were he allowed to flourish.

This is not to say that Jimmy has no say in his own life or what he does. Ultimately, he still chooses to do a lot of shady stuff. However, his situation isn't made any better by having a brother who wants to make sure that he's forever rolling in the mud.

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u/SuperFreddy Apr 19 '16

Jimmy cares about what should be and plays loose with the rules to make it so. He breaks all sorts of laws and codes in order to make the world as it should be, which means making the people he cares about happy.

Chuck cares about the rules and plays loose with what should be to uphold those rules. He cares about dignity, standards, and law and will not budge for the sake of love or emotion. In fact, he will compromise the latter in order to keep things according to the rules and social expectations.

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u/TheCheshireCody Apr 19 '16

which means making the people he cares about happy.

This show and Breaking Bad are heavily concerned with unintended consequences. BB's second season centered on a massive consequence from one decision by Walt which would have seemed to affect only two people. Mike's attack on Hector's truck led to the unintended deaths of two people. I think everyone in this sub expects that Jimmy's actions will lead to Kim's downfall as a lawyer unless she cuts all ties with him before it's too late. Jimmy's actions led to his father's ruin and - mark my words - it will be revealed that Chuck's electromagnetic hypersensitivity has its roots in something Jimmy did.

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u/Dr_SnM Apr 19 '16

Yep, and he still grounds himself before entering Chuck's house. I love this about Jimmy, he sees how the world should be and tries to make it so.

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u/copperwatt Apr 20 '16

I love the moment in the last episode where he thinks about not doing it, but then does so sorta begrudgingly, even though Chuck can't see him.

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u/Dr_SnM Apr 20 '16

He's a good guy.

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u/copperwatt Apr 20 '16

Not if you are Mesa Verde. He cost them time and money, and arguably the better choice of representation.

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u/EpicBaps Aug 08 '22

Good, fuck banks.

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u/_DrShrimpPuertoRico_ Jun 20 '23

Not Jonathan, though.

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u/k-to-the-o Sep 11 '25

I know it’s been 2 years but

Damn this was clever, good one 👌

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u/_DrShrimpPuertoRico_ Sep 11 '25

Haha, thanks!

It's never too late.

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u/Homosexual_Panda Apr 19 '16

Jimmy=chaotic good

Chuck=lawful neutral

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u/SuperFreddy Apr 19 '16

I would say Chuck is lawful evil.

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u/copperwatt Apr 20 '16

I took this quiz imagining I was Chuck, and got lawful neutral, but the problem is the questions are general, and often about strangers, who I feel Chuck would probably not do evil things too. The things he has done that are truly evil (lying about mom's last words, emotional entrapment) are done to people he is close with, and likely feels he has justification for (Mom was misguided in loving Jimmy more, like an abusive relationship with an addict, the entrapment was necessary to uncover a felony, etc.) What is the evil, exactly?

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u/SuperFreddy Apr 20 '16

A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises.

After I read this description, I felt Chuck matches the description. He may be neutral-leaning, but I think he's evil according to this.

It's all made up though. There's a joke about psychoanalyzing fictional characters and how futile it is.

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u/dehehn Apr 21 '16

Yeah that sounds pretty dead on. The same site's description of Lawful Neutral doesn't sound like Chuck.

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u/copperwatt Apr 20 '16

So is Saul chaotic neutral or evil?

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u/aragorn28 Apr 19 '16

well he sure thinks kim's vag should be a part of his world

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

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u/SuperFreddy Apr 19 '16

It's called an internet forum, so yeah you're going to see middle school grade analysis. Were you expecting a fucking Pulitzer on Reddit?

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u/kyle232425 Sep 04 '22

In other words, Chuck is the perfect lawyer

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

Not to mention scaring the crap out of Howard with the reassignment BS.

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u/Oakianus Apr 19 '16

At least 18.4 Kilohitlers.

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u/slbain9000 Apr 25 '16

Jimmy did literally everything in this incident out of love. Love for Kim, love for Chuck, love for his freewheeling style of the law. Everything Chuck did was out of jealousy, resentment, and spite.

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u/ZTFallen Apr 19 '16

Well it's not so terrible, chuck did something worse by stealing Mesa Verde to Kim, she worked hard on the case and chuck along with howard made Kim look like a amateur.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '16

Chuck wants his reputation back. and as he cant stomach it to be the guy who made 'a mistake' he'll go on and try to destroy Jimmy forever! He has that grudge from the moment his dying mother asked for Jimmy, ignoring Chuck himself. You can see how his emotion goes from 'crying' to 'vengeful' in this scene. Its not that he doesnt love Jimmy, its just that his mother loved Jimmy more than him. He cant forget that.

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u/up48 Apr 19 '16

was fucking terrible

Bit of an overstatement, the lengths Chuck had to go through, forcing himself through all the torment to act normal in front of the bank people and even go to court, just to fuck Kim over that's terrible, and petty.

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u/BulletBilll Apr 19 '16

Lawful evil vs chaotic good.

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u/lvbuckeye27 Apr 20 '16 edited Apr 20 '16

I mean, neither one of them are good people, but Jimmy is a much more sympathetic character, since he at least recognizes his failings. Chuck is just a colossal, enormous prick.

Edit: now that I think about it, if I was Jimmy, I would have been through with Chuck from the moment I found out it was him that kept me in the mailroom, and not Hamlin. What a horrible thing to do.

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u/BulletBilll Apr 20 '16

Jimmy does things for the people he loves, but he goes about it in pretty much horrible ways. Chuck on the other hand is rigid and will do anything to uphold the law. He sees Jimmy as the exact opposite of that. That means Jimmy loves Chuck, because he's his big brother, and Chuck hates Jimmy because he spits in the face of the law.

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u/Giraffesarecool123 Apr 20 '16

Slippin Chucky

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '16

It's like Jimmy and chuck are both scumbags of a different variety. That lie plus not telling him about his mom really showed how awful and petty chuck is.

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u/watcher45 Apr 21 '16

My feeling is that Chuck setting him up is the reason he becomes Saul.

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u/Dokhtareiran Apr 26 '16

Completely agree. Although, I was just shouting at jimmy not to confess, and was relieved for a moment when Jimmy said "not that I am saying I did" and then when he started I was just facepalm and sigh, because that Chuck fella is a jealous, insecure a hole who was just using Jimmy's love form him to nail him, I mean you all saw the dinner flashback. You can just see how pathetic he is telling a lawyer joke in bed after dinner while acting all "grown up" during dinner.