The freestyle that got Max Caster removed from TNA, and his mention on all TNA social media pages

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Description: Here's the freestyle that got him removed from TNA

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50% of the crowd were comped tickets they didn’t have interest in the show like all night. Maybe more than 50%

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The crowd i can understand, but the people in the ring should atleast give him something. Make it seem like he's getting under your skin or that his lines have an impact. Just staring at him like a deer in the headlights is dreadful

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Nah everyone has to be cool

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in AEW even Samoa Joe and Jon Moxley gave reactions, even if they just nodded or these "huh, thats smart" smiles. Immediately made Max's raps sound better, even if 90% of the lines were always cringey

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Him mentioning Renee and Oral Sessions is an all timer, not because of the line, but because of what Mox did as soon as the Acclaimed tried to enter the ring.

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Mox just going “alright, now they gotta die” was fantastic

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And imo that wasn't even the best part of that specific intro, my fave was easily when he said Eddie Kingston "looked like a box of Newports" and the camera immediately cuts to Mox clearly telling Eddie "you kind of do though" or something along those lines.

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The john laurinaitis line to Danielson at the time was awesome.

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The change from "Teehee, they're right, you do Eddie" to deciding they're gonna die is fantastic

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"AYYY EEEEE DOUBLE-Yuuuugh!"

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So good. Shame it didn't work out.

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I mean, I would argue it did work out, that video is from 5 years ago and the Acclaimed had a pretty good run in AEW.

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Very true. I thought that after I posted tbh. I guess it's a shame they didn't stick with being a team and aren't part of the AEW tag division right now, imo anyway. But yeah, they had some very high heights and have a lot to be proud of.

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I remember in the same rap, the line about Eddie Kingston looking like a box of Newports, and Moxley putting his hand to his mouth like he's smoking a cigarette.

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Anthony Bowens following up with "What? She just wants us to be on the Podcast!" always gets me cackling

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Renee ended up renaming her podcast. But then again, the implications of that name were already prior to Max name dropping it

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Mox telling Eddie like yeah you do kind a look like some newports

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Eddie simultaneously laughing but also looking annoyed, lol

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"He's right, but I'm still gonna kill him"

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Even there, people like Joe and Mox understand wrestling and know they have to do it, but the nobodies are still not reacting properly because they want to be badasses.

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God forbid they look human and react. That might make them look weak! Gotta just look “badass” like the kid on the playground who is acting tough!

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I love when Joe cracks a smile or wry laugh. He acknowledges they may have gotten him on the mic but he'll be killing them later so who cares about some verbal barbs.

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The attitude some wrestlers have with promos is weird af. In the ring it's a dance, a cooperative give and take. Lots of wrestlers are proud they can make people look good and certain wrestlers are lauded when they can elevate talent that maybe isn't so good. On the mic? Nah, that's war. Sink or swim and a bunch of bs like that. It's the same thing! The culture of working with and helping the other guy out in the ring should apply on the mic. Shit like what Cope did to Starks is the promo equivalent of a fucking Road Warriors match.

I don't know if that's what's going on here tbf. Moose might just be a bit shit and not get it rather than this being a genuine sand bag and deliberately non emotive. He does look slightly confused lol. I've honestly barely seen him work. He looks like a million bucks though.

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I wonder how much of it is a newer thing?

In Foley's first book, he tells a story of facing Boss Man on a house show loop. He makes some crack about Boss Man going to Disneyland and puking on one of the rides - just something to pop the live crowd.

Boss Man doesn't no-sell it. He doesn't try to one up it and claim Foley did something worse. He acts like the heel he's meant to, sells it fully by protesting that "I had a stomach bug that day!" and adds to the moment by leaning in.

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Yeah, I'm not so sure tbh. I feel like the duelling promos thing is kind of an 90s/attitude era deal. At least in my mind when I think of great promos from earlier eras it's a dude or group cutting a promo with a mean Gene type. The reply happens later and if there's a live reaction it's someone watching it on a screen or something. If there is an interaction between two parties at once it's a shouty affair where guys have to be held apart or something like that. It was later on when the distinction not just between heel and face but also between work and shoot became more blurred that I recall seeing duelling promos become more prominent and people be more hesitant to be a genuine heel. It makes sense really, the top guys are NWO and Austin, and a bit latter DX and The Rock. Pillman was out there working everyone lol. A lot of dudes likely saw a promo as an opportunity to get themselves over rather than to you know, do their job. Or at least, what their job had been up to that point.

That said Boss Man was a proper old school heel. He knew exactly what his job was and it doesn't surprise me he was happy to look silly for the bit. From what I hear he was a class act.

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The culture of working with and helping the other guy out in the ring should apply on the mic.

this remind me that once in a while there is trend that wrestlers desperately trying to deliver their own 'pipebomb' which is make things worse.

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Joes reactions to his diss was pretty funny.

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I think Joe once gave a "he's got me there" during the rap

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“When we were beating them in the ratings he was there champ!”

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Oh that was a good one "yep, he's got me there, I'm still gonna murder him"

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Because max actually gave them something to react to, his tna rap was beyond dogshit

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Everyone has to be cool, a cool badass, no one can ever lose clean, but shenanigans are also very bad, no one can ever get verbal comeuppance or they're buried, and from all that we want deep and interesting stories, damn it!

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And also, you should win things by watching!

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I also would've accepted something referencing Agnes Skinner's rant to Squeaky Voiced Teen about how she wants her massive grocery order to all be in one bag, but she doesn't want the bag to be heavy.

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its one of the main reasons the NWO failed so bad in WWE is because at the time WWE was built on the loud mouth anti-authority out for yourself anti-hero aesthetic, so when you bring in 3 people that also have that same mentality as a means of being the villains no one was actually scared of them because they were just like everyone else.

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And also WWE spent years telling us how old and washed up they were and now it's 4-5 years later.

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Moose in the headlights.

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Moose is shit. Has no idea about how to be a pro wrestler outside of executing moves.

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I mean if someone rapped at me and thought bitch and lisp rhymed, I’d stare blankly into the abyss too.

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It’s a performance… fucking perform. Don’t just stand there.

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Too bad Moose sucks

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You’ll have better luck extracting water from sand than charisma from Moose

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Counterpoint: Its moose. Dude hasnt made compelling TV for about a decade

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That's Moose for you.

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There's a reason why they are working in TNA. If they were putting in those extra touches they would have had shots in WWE or AEW by now.

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Yeah, dudes looking at him like some random from the crowd grabbed a mic and started freestyle dissing him. Fucking weird. He does know this was supposed to be his next feud right...

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His opponents in AEW often no sold his lines. It was only the insecure heels that would go over the top and plug their ears.

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It was only the insecure heels that would go over the top and plug their ears.

So Sonny Kiss was an insecure heel? Bryan Danielson? Dustin Rhodes?

I can go on and on. EVERY opponent gave him a reaction, no matter if its small or not. Just look at compilations of his raps and stop trying to create a false narrative

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He referenced Rhea to Buddy once and the next time Buddy gave him a knee before he had a chance to finish his line. Many people reacted to him with expressions or attacks.

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My buddy works for a local Tampa bay radio station and literally was given a stack to give to anyone who wanted them. Like 200 tickets.

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There are still people who will tell you TNA is the #2 promotion over AEW.

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They only had 1/6th of the arena available for purchase, in general. 

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2 company in the US by this time next year l, btw