“Want to see a show? Watch me walk away” proceeds to twerk at the bar

if it were filmed in the bronx and it's basically same characters. How different yall think the show would be?

It's open enough that you can potentially do a reunion film or series if you want in the future but closed enough for a semi-happy ending in that everyone has picked a path to self improvement and are working towards it well except maybe Frank but that guy kind of never was the type to turn his life around. Monica's death and funeral also leads an air of finality to it. The only plot I think that's left open is Kev losing the Alibi but you could have had an end credits scene with Svetlana being taken away by immigration like Fiona suggested to V or just have Kev find happiness in making a hundred bucks each night to support his babies and V being sort of ok with that. It would be a much better ending than the Fiona-less last two seasons which just didn't feel right given how she was basically the main character for the first 9.

Just done with season 5. Nothing is surprising except for how nonchalant Jimmy is towards the kids esp Liam. IIRC Jimmy literally ran the household for a few episodes in s3... packed the lunches, dropped them at school etc etc. And yet doesn't even bother to say "Hi" to Liam or Debbie or Carl. Sure he was there for Fiona and Fiona only but even then.... it felt so businesslike...

1st time watching the show and reached season 10 after a year now and all i got to say is what the fuck the characters Paula, Cole, Byron and Tami are all awful

Observation newer characters seem to be rehashes of older characters like Tami being like Karen 2.0 and Oopie being essentially a racist and offensive version of Shelia

The show truly for me peaked seasons 4 through 6

let me just say that i’ve been watching shameless since 2018 (when season 9 was airing) and i genuinely think that the first half of season 9 was some of the absolute worst writing the show ever had. thankfully the second half of season 9 improved a bit in my opinion. anyway, i’m on my i don’t even know what number rewatch and episode 5 (black haired ginger) is AWFUL. and let me explain exactly why i think this.

so basically in these episodes ian is debating taking a plea or going to trial for the gay jesus bullshit. and fiona is literally the ONLY one who encourages him to take the plea and do what’s best for him. then when he runs off and dyes his hair fiona stresses out and tries to get the others to help find him, but debbie and lip both say no because ian is a ‘grown man’ and can ‘do what he wants.’ which makes no sense to me. horrible writing in my opinion how they just randomly made lip and debbie not give a shit about ian. in previous seasons remember how they all put everything aside to find fiona when she went on the bender with robbie?

fiona wanting to let ian do his own thing and leave him alone during the arrest warrant and when he ran away would have made sense because they already had her detach slightly from the family in seasons 7 and 8, but the fact lip and debbie were adamant on telling fiona to leave ian alone and accusing her of ‘going fiona’ 💀 on him was absolutely crazy. awful writing and made no sense to me.

Debbie acts like the way Fiona treats her situation with Franny is unprecedented when Fiona warned her multiple times that she wasn’t going to support her if she keeps the baby. I cannot stand how Debbie thinks she’s being treated unfairly when she knew damn well that having a child at that age was not the best idea. Fiona did much more than she said she would for Debbie while she was raising Franny.

The scene where Fiona breaks and no longer wants any part of anyone’s issues while trying to get her life together and she tells everyone how much they owe in bills/rent and Debbie complains that she has to pay more than Carl. Fiona explains it’s because you have a child, then Debbie complains about how unfair that is…. Bitch you literally chose to have a child at that age despite the warnings. Cry me a fucking river. She acts like she was never warned of anything. I’m so sick of her playing stupid just so she can play victim at the same time.

Hv u ever noticed this scene, Liam was spontaneously mimicking his big sis.

S5 E1 13:28

Alright so how many of you all knew Emmy was in Phantom of the Opera. My first time ever seeing her was as Fiona in shameless. I would have never known she could sing like that from watching her in the show. She was so good in Shamess as Fiona.

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS TRANSPHOBIC!!!!

along the show there's been a lot of plotlines both really fun and boooring, but certainly one of the most boring characters in shameless is definitely trevor.. He just doesn't have much interesting stuff in him, the plots with him and ian are boring and kinda basic you know. Like the only thing i really know about this guy is that he's trans! There's no much more info about him.
one can argue that this is because we're used to the insane craziness of partners like Mickey and I think that really is one of the reason i dislike trevor, nothing is really thrilling. I certainly would've liked like a B plot of him and monica doing something crazy or smth like that. Anyway... just ranting

This gives a solid background to frank as a father.

Another scene informs monica's trauma and likely explains how she became who she was (if frank's telling the truth, im inclined to believe he is): At Monica's funeral frank tells the story of how they both met: Frank was a college junior at the time and driving one day when a naked Monica jumped through the window of his car. She was running from a large, armed man and yelled "dont rape me again".

So if frank was telling the truth (he could've made the whole thing up to drum up sympathy for monica as he and her father were the only fans of her in the room and frank didnt like that. But i choose to believe he was telling the truth), then it seems that Monica and frank were both unhealed, self medicating survivors of sexual violence who bonded over their traumas and cultivated a destructive romance that enabled the worst in each other.

Upon my first watch I was surprised Karen's rape of frank didnt have a bigger impact on him afterwards but upon reflection, it makes a little more sense given it wasnt frank's first time being sexually victimized. He may have "gotten used to it" by then, sadly. Frank's trauma might also explain his indiscriminate promiscuity as promiscuity can be a side effect of sexual victimization. And given, as fiona says "Gallaghers dont do therapy", i wonder if she got that from frank and/or monica, who because were not ready confront their own painful pasts, denied a path to healing generational trauma for their children in turn.

I wonder how frank would have reacted to Mandy's rape of Lip, Debbie's rape of Matty or how Lip would've reacted to frank's abuse post Mandy or debbie of frank's abuse post matty. It could've turned a major corner for their relationship either good or bad. But of course, victims staying silent on their abuse is part of the overall tragedy.

I think frank's under reaction to Carl's rape by Trish (reframing it as Carl being "lucky" to have "unprotected sex") means he probably would've under reacted to lip and debbie simply because they werent "as bad" as what he went through and therefore unable to sympathize with anyone else's abuse.

Frank and Monica Gallagher: Hurt people, hurt people

They’ve been around a lot of alcoholics and had a lot of concern for both Lip and Fiona when they were in the throes of alcoholism. Trying to get people to break their sobriety to get a little bit more money is NOT something they would do.

i’m still on season 5 ep 1 so i don’t know if it gets better but she’s being a bad mom. the formula stuff, sure she has autonomy over her own body and she has the right to quit breastfeeding, but over the span of one episode she has:
- hit her child
- talked about her children sucking kevin’s dick
- ignored her child’s crying to have sex

i usually really like veronica, but shit like this makes me wanna change my mind

I dont know to explain it. They played the ending pretty well. I know its not fiona being gone but something elss just feels missing. they could've shown a scene or two of karen or sheila. possibly a scene with fiona if possible or megan?

So it has been a long time since i have watched it, but today a itch grew in my brain, there is a scene in which someone, most probably Kevin or Fiona says to Phillip that, if "he wants freedom or wants to get treated as a adult he have to earn that", well that is the main feeling behind the scene, but i want someone to paraphrase the dialogue or at least tell the season or episode to me.
Its either in s6 or prior to it. If someone knows it help me out

Sure. he doesn't really look like him that much. but whenever I saw UK shameless, automatically thought of RJ mitte. RIP RJ Mitte btw

This was in season 5 episode 8. It’s one of my favorite Gallavich scenes. It was such a sweet scene ❤️

The scene somewhere in season 3 or 4 where Ian comes to confront Mickey about the wedding, Mickey was shooting a Cabbage Patch Kid doll.

i don’t really remember the scene exactly but this was when kev and v were getting married, and fiona asked him some thing like “but does she [veronica] deserve you?” and kev said “no, no one does”
what did he mean by that—that’s he’s too good or not good enough or something else?

Regardless of her sending that nude pic of Helene to the entire School, do y'all think Amanda was justified in being angry at Lip?

I have this thing where I only rewatch shows at certain times of the year. Shameless is always January. I don't rewatch every year but on the years when I do a rewatch it has to be in January. I have this with most of the shows that I rewatch. Not sure why but it just feels right. It gives me something to look forward to and it's sort of comforting when it comes around. Hard to explain I guess.

I get that she pushed him to work harder when they were together, so that’s her one redeeming quality. But, the first day they met she accused him of rape, she’s super disrespectful to Carl in regards to her relationship with Debbie, and it seems like she only likes being at the Gallagher house because it’s an “escape” from her privileged life. I’m at the beginning of season 10 now and Carl just met Anne and I feel like their chemistry is much better. I got spoiled so I know they don’t end up together, but I would have liked to see that relationship play out.

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1.The tweet above was posted by one of the show's main writers and executive producers. They were talking about how people watched the show for the comedy rather than the family drama, but the way they put it was definitely a choice (not so fucked up though)

2.Apparently, there was originally going to be a scene in Season 3, right after Svetlana and Mickey got married, where Svetlana would give Mickey a handjob while he fantasized about Ian.

3.The writers were apparently thrilled to write some really messed-up shit, including necrophilia, but apparently the reason they didn't go through with it was that William H. Macy said he would draw the line at that.

4.Shameless apparently heavily promoted Mickey and Ian's relationship during Season 5. Before that, Mickey was barely included in the show's promotion, but that changed a lot in Season 5. Which is funny because that's the exact season when Mickey and Ian's relationship started getting messed up by the writing room.

The messed-up part is that they apparently wrote multiple sex scenes for the characters that the actors actually filmed. Most people have probably seen the deleted scene from Episode 1 of Season 5, but apparently there was another one from Episode 3 too, which was promoted by the writer who leaked it.

They were trying so hard to get a GLAAD Award, but as far as I know, they only got nominated. Kind of misses the point when you cut out a scene that was already filmed just to make room for 100 other ridiculous bits of shit in the same episode.

5.And finally, apparently, for the episode where Mandy gets raped by her dad, one of the writers said something along the lines of, "Mandy thought since I'm gonna fuck my dad, at least I'm going to make it romantic and lit candles, clean the sheets," or some bullshit like that 🤢

In Season 7 Episode 11, Fiona seems to think he is still married to Monica and he says "only legally". Like what? Isn't his wife Sheila?

I hate this character. Like so incredibly much. That being said, there's one moment that I genuinely will give him credit for and it's in season 1, episode 4 when he suggests they take Debbie to see a therapist after she kidnaps Casey. Debbie fixed a broken stroller and lured a 2 year old out from his yard with a candy bar. That's incredibly concerning, and even if she didn't mean any harm, that was the first of many signs that she wasn't okay. And maybe if she had gotten the help she needed, her life could've turned out so much better. But instead, Fiona and co brush off Jimmy/Steve/Jack's suggestion and are like "she just accidentally took a baby". And people act like she was pure and innocent in season 1. She wasn't. She wasn't malicious yet but she definitely wasn't as innocent as people on here like to claim. (And yes, I'm aware it's called "Shameless". That's not the point of this post.)